A trade that I believe would be great for both teams.

Pappyman · Post #1 » by **Pappyman** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:18 am

How about this one?

Carlos Boozer to Chicago for Ben Gordon

Depth Charts for both teams:

Utah:
PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price
SG: Ben Gordon, C.J. Miles
SF: Ronnie Brewer, Matt Harpring
PF: Andrei Kirilenko, Paul Millsap
C: Mehmet Okur, Kosta Koufos

Chicago:
PG: Derrick Rose, Kirk Hinrich
SG: John Salmons, 1st Round Draft Pick
SF: Luol Deng, Tim Thomas
PF: Carlos Boozer, Tyrus Thomas
C: Joakim Noah, Brad Miller

Why I think it would work for both teams:
Utah has a glaring need for more perimeter scoring to take the pressure off D-Will and interior defense. Gordon would give the Jazz perimeter scoring they need plus more and AK would give them interior defense at his natural position of power forward (All-Star and NBA All-Defensive First Team recognition at the PF position in 2004). Chicago really needs a big man that can score. Boozer would give them that and then some. His defensive liabilities would be covered by playing next to Joakim Noah, who is an athletic, defensive center.

J_Ray · Post #2 » by **J_Ray** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:21 am

If Utah can't pay Boozer 10+million, why would they be able to pay Gordon that? Both guys would have to agree to a S&T too....

Pappyman · Post #3 » by **Pappyman** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:30 am

J_Ray wrote:If Utah can't pay Boozer 10+million, why would they be able to pay Gordon that? Both guys would have to agree to a S&T too....

Both players would only have to agree to a sign and trade if Boozer options out of his contract. He does not have to. If he doesn't end up optioning out, Chicago would only have to sign and trade Gordon for a contract that would match the last year on Boozer's deal, which would actually not be that bad. If Carlos were to succeed with Chicago (which I believe he would), the Bulls could attempt to re-sign him after next season to any contract that they want for longer than any other team because they would hold his bird rights I believe.

J_Ray · Post #4 » by **J_Ray** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:41 am

Pappyman wrote:
J_Ray wrote:If Utah can't pay Boozer 10+million, why would they be able to pay Gordon that? Both guys would have to agree to a S&T too....

Both players would only have to agree to a sign and trade if Boozer options out of his contract. He does not have to. If he doesn't end up optioning out, Chicago would only have to sign and trade Gordon for a contract that would match the last year on Boozer's deal, which would actually not be that bad. If Carlos were to succeed with Chicago (which I believe he would), the Bulls could attempt to re-sign him after next season to any contract that they want for longer than any other team because they would hold his bird rights I believe.

Your plan says we keep Millsap....we would be well into the luxury tax if we have the team you project, which is why we would lose Boozer in the first place.

Post #5 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:07 am

I'd rather Boozer over Gordon.

Pappyman · Post #6 » by **Pappyman** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:28 am

J_Ray wrote:
Pappyman wrote:
J_Ray wrote:If Utah can't pay Boozer 10+million, why would they be able to pay Gordon that? Both guys would have to agree to a S&T too....

Both players would only have to agree to a sign and trade if Boozer options out of his contract. He does not have to. If he doesn't end up optioning out, Chicago would only have to sign and trade Gordon for a contract that would match the last year on Boozer's deal, which would actually not be that bad. If Carlos were to succeed with Chicago (which I believe he would), the Bulls could attempt to re-sign him after next season to any contract that they want for longer than any other team because they would hold his bird rights I believe.

Your plan says we keep Millsap....we would be well into the luxury tax if we have the team you project, which is why we would lose Boozer in the first place.

I don't necessarily agree with that. If Carlos does not opt out, he would be set to make $11,593,817 this upcoming season. Let's say that Chicago signs Gordon to the same exact amount of money, but for a two-year deal with an option for a third or something like that. The Bulls then trade him to us. Instead of Gordon's contract being $11,593,817 this upcoming season, it would be only half that total, which is $5,769,908.50. My depth chart also takes into the affect of Kyle Korver optioning out and not returning, which would take an additional $4,956,818 off the books. Without re-signing any other free agents, that makes a grand total of $38,656,277.50. This sum would cover every current player's contract with the exception of Mehmet Okur, Paul Millsap, and Ronnie Price. Let's then say that Okur options out of his deal and re-signs a four-year deal worth the same amount of money per year that he makes now ($8,500,000). That would put the sum at $47,156,277.50. If understand correctly, the NBA's salary cap next season is going to be set at $57,300,000. The Jazz would still be more than 10 million dollars under the salary cap to sign Paul Millsap and Ronnie Price. They could sign both players for about 5 million each and not even go over the salary cap.

J_Ray · Post #7 » by **J_Ray** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:49 am

Wait, where you getting 38.6million from w/o our free agents? As of right now we'll have around 45 million on our team w/ everyone opting out (counting a rookie salary that's about to be add). And that is after taking Fesenko out. I'm also lost on how Gordon will only be 6 million a year? Guy wants 10+ million a year too, so you are a bit lost on your understanding of current situations.

Pappyman · Post #8 » by **Pappyman** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:40 am

J_Ray wrote:Wait, where you getting 38.6million from w/o our free agents? As of right now we'll have around 45 million on our team w/ everyone opting out (counting a rookie salary that's about to be add). And that is after taking Fesenko out. I'm also lost on how Gordon will only be 6 million a year? Guy wants 10+ million a year too, so you are a bit lost on your understanding of current situations.

Whoops. I must have added wrong. The total should have been $44,480,186. I am using ESPN's trade machine as a source. I assume that the players listed that you can trade are the ones that make up the current amount of salary. Chicago then signs and trades Gordon for the same amount of money per year that Boozer makes w'o optioning out ($11,593,817). Okur opts out and hypothetically signs for the same amount of money per year ($8,500,000). That pushes the total to $52,980,186. The Jazz would be $4,319,814 under the salary cap. They would then have to worry about Millsap and Price. If they were to hypothetically re-sign Price to the same amount of money that he makes now ($1,188,000), the sum would be pushed to $54,168,186. The Jazz would still be $3,131,814 under the salary cap. The Jazz could then attempt to sign Millsap to the full Mid-Level exception, which would push them over the salary cap. If this were the case and I were the Jazz's GM, I would trade this year's First Round Pick for a future pick (maybe a 2010 First Round Pick).

Fido · Post #9 » by **Fido** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:16 pm

I don't like Booz for Gordon with Gordon at $10mill. Price wouldn't get any more than he is currently getting as he was fixed to the pine much of the season. I don't think there is much of a market out there for him either.

Post #10 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:16 pm

I don't think you can do a double sign and trade. Circumvents the salary cap.

Pappyman · Post #11 » by **Pappyman** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:43 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:I don't think you can do a double sign and trade. Circumvents the salary cap.

This wouldn't be a double sign and trade. This trade would only happen if Boozer does not option out of his contract. He would still be under contract with the Jazz. The only player that would be signed and traded would be Ben Gordon.

outerspacefella · Post #12 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:57 am

J_Ray wrote:Your plan says we keep Millsap....we would be well into the luxury tax if we have the team you project, which is why we would lose Boozer in the first place.

We will not "lose" Boozer; he will just walk away and we won't lose anything... we're going to be happy!
We will lose a lot of things if he stays... Boozer and Kirilenko are killing us softly...

J_Ray · Post #13 » by **J_Ray** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 am

outerspacefella wrote:
J_Ray wrote:Your plan says we keep Millsap....we would be well into the luxury tax if we have the team you project, which is why we would lose Boozer in the first place.

We will not "lose" Boozer; he will just walk away and we won't lose anything... we're going to be happy!
We will lose a lot of things if he stays... Boozer and Kirilenko are killing us softly...

Yeah, we will be happy being an 8 seed :roll:

Boozer may be a pussy, but he was still our 2nd best player and top 5 PF offensively. Utah just needs to find a shotblocker to cover up his flaws or else we will never be better.

ColdBlue · Post #14 » by **ColdBlue** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:31 pm

Yeah, I agree with most of the replies... no need to pick up a large contract for a chucker while not addressing our needs.

Phenom415 · Post #15 » by **Phenom415** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:52 pm

ColdBlue wrote:Yeah, I agree with most of the replies... no need to pick up a large contract for a chucker while not addressing our needs.

Not necessarily saying this is my dream trade either, but Gordon absolutely fills a need... especially if Korver opts out. Not only has he proven he can create his own shot (Deron is really the only guy on our team that can do that with consistency) but he's the best 3-point shooter in the league IMO. His career LOW in three-point shooting is 40.5%!!! That's ridiculous!!! If he truly is a 'chucker', then I would gladly let him chuck away with that kind of shooting ability. Is Ray Allen a chucker too?