TheUrbanZealot wrote:Ah, the arbitrary quasi-intellect using pseudo-sarcasm in pointing out the basis of, oh, 90% of all discussion on a message board =/
Hey, no fair throwing my own strategies back at me!

Really though, point was to encourage more facts, less undefined/unbackable opinion. I presented Alston, and suppose that I could point out that Iverson's been labelled a "winner" throughout his career as well (how that happens via producing large amounts of inefficient output, I don't know). KG's been labelled a loser in spite of having fantastic output simply because his front office was run by people who enjoyed eating crayons (sadly, I have to admit that I bought into this notion for a bit back in 2003-5ish, but for somewhat defensible, though still wrong, reasons). Battier's won 0 championships, and only been anywhere in the playoffs this year, but he was a "winner" long before this year, in spite of the fact that he'd never professionally won anything. Fisher's a winner, not because he has 4 rings, but rather because he shoots 40% from 3p range while taking 1/3 to 1/2 of his shots from there, while providing very good defense (until recently), decent passing, rebounding and steals, with an exceptional turnover rate for a guard, no tendency to buckle under pressure, and all in relatively few minutes.
I could keep going with the list, but it's easier to make the point that in basketball, individually being a winner or loser has very little correlation to the actual results produced by your team. It's the same way that winning a championship doesn't remotely say that you're the best, but rather that in the year you won it,
your team was at least pretty good.
(Also, as a programmer, I'm basically a professional nitpicker. As in all things, the severity/importance of the nits being picked varies. I just don't dig the whole "winner" bit - or most TV talking points for that matter, as they tend to grind on my ears - but yes, my bad, was being a bit of a overemphatic genital about it. Sry PR)
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