WAS-DAL-MIN (again?!)

[skorff26]

If Milwaukee doesn't want to do a Ridnour for James swap; I think they would do a Ridnour + Allen for James swap since it saves them over a million dollars.

Or we just buy out James, since I could see him taking 4.5 million to get out of here since I doubt he wants to come back.

[Biff Cooper]

Why would washington swap young for foye and 5 while just swapping expiring contracts?
They are high on young, he's shown flashes of brilliance.
It makes much more sense for them to add miller and drop salary because:
1. Miller = win now. arenas and butler in their prime, jamison fading.
2. Miller's passing is a perfect fit next to arenas.
3. Nick Young = future at SG.
4. If they're out of the race they may be able to deal miller at the deadline for a future pick.

The bad situation is they have 76 million already committed against the lux for '09.
they are still under the lux for 2010. Dealing their expirings only makes sense for them if it helps them expand the trade to dump salary within the 125% rules, or if they're sent for straight up cap space, ala kurt thomas. Sadass Dallas is in dreamland if they think they have the ammo to move into the top 5. their best chip, josh howard, has disappointed and his best value may be as an expiring contract after all the injuries and personal problems last year.

Did you miss the part of this deal related to Stackhouse's contract? It is only partially guaranteed, so they could trade the full value of it, and pay him a couple mil to get him off the books. Shrink wrote this trade under the sole purpose of getting Washington under the lux this year, and by his math, it would work.

[the_bruce]

DAL GIVES: Stackhouse + Shawne
DAL GETS: Mike Miller

MIN GIVES: Mike Miller + Foye + Telfair + #18
MIN GETS: #5 + Etan Thomas + Mike James + Nick Young + Shawne

WAS GIVES: #5 + Etan Thomas + Mike James + Nick Young
WAS GETS: Foye + Telfair + Stackhouse + #18 + $2.2 mil TPE

I actually think this deal is less attractive for WAS than a deal where MM is dealt to the team. MN can open up a TPE large enough to get them under the lux(~4m), save them ~10m in the process. Regardless, of what WAS fans think Miller, he is a solid fit for that team in win now mode. I still think Gomes + Miller + fill + large TPE + Utah pick for #5 + stevenson + james + opech + thomas + ?? is the best possible scenario.

[Dewey]

Debateable, but a no for me.
#1 ... No Mike James - only on paper. He is to never step foot in MN again.
#2 ... Alot of action, but I do not see a true PG or Center in the end, therefore, no point to it.
#3 ... After Griffin and Rubio, most everyone else is a 7-15 pick in other draft years. Swapping spit.

[younggunsmn]

Why would washington swap young for foye and 5 while just swapping expiring contracts?
They are high on young, he's shown flashes of brilliance.
It makes much more sense for them to add miller and drop salary because:
1. Miller = win now. arenas and butler in their prime, jamison fading.
2. Miller's passing is a perfect fit next to arenas.
3. Nick Young = future at SG.
4. If they're out of the race they may be able to deal miller at the deadline for a future pick.

The bad situation is they have 76 million already committed against the lux for '09.
they are still under the lux for 2010. Dealing their expirings only makes sense for them if it helps them expand the trade to dump salary within the 125% rules, or if they're sent for straight up cap space, ala kurt thomas. Sadass Dallas is in dreamland if they think they have the ammo to move into the top 5. their best chip, josh howard, has disappointed and his best value may be as an expiring contract after all the injuries and personal problems last year.

Did you miss the part of this deal related to Stackhouse's contract? It is only partially guaranteed, so they could trade the full value of it, and pay him a couple mil to get him off the books. Shrink wrote this trade under the sole purpose of getting Washington under the lux this year, and by his math, it would work.

Nick Young and the #5 are the best assets in this trade, washington is getting raped. Foye's value is about equal to the #18 pick going into his pre-RFA year. If they want stackhouse's deal so bad we need not be involved, although his deal alone is not worth the #5 which is what his trade amounts to if you take the foye/young swap out.

They just made an offer for ginobli, they are going after a veteran to "win now" and dump salary if possible just like I said. Mike Miller is much more attractive to washington than stackhouse's deal + garbage.

[shrink]

The best asset in this deal is $17-$18 mil.

[Esohny]

And despite my issues with Foye, he's worth more than the 18 in this draft, contract status or no.

[Biff Cooper]

Despite last year's record, Washington is built to win now. Dallas is built to win now. Washington's best trading chip is the #5 pick. A direct WASH/DALLAS trade does not work very well as they'd rather have someone that can help them win this year.

Shrink's trade should give Washington approximately the same chance to contend in the east THIS YEAR as they would have had if they didn't make the deal, and it saves them $17-18 mil. Per HoopsHype, Abe Pollin's net worth is only $180 mil. That is 10% of his net worth in savings.

It is obvious that Washington gets screwed from a talent standpoint, but because they didn't get under the lux at the trade deadline, they don't have many options. Maybe Pollin doesn't care about money and is going to do everything in his power to win a championship while he's around to see it? We really don't know what he's thinking, but in a lot of ways this trade makes sense.

[younggunsmn]

17-18 mil is only accounted for by doubling things for the luxury tax. If you take that into account I saved them 15 million in my trade (where they don't get raped). 4 mil outright and 3.5 for the pick X2.
Plus my trade saves them 6.2 MILLION next year.

Randy Foye makes ZERO sense for them and he'd only ensure their failure this year because not only can he not play defense, his game clashes horribly with their ball-dominating trio, and sending out nick young makes even less sense.

After they cut stackhouse they are left with ZERO tradeable assets left over from the original trade (unless you count foye as an expiring contract). Sending them Miller and Cardinal leaves them with two very tradeable contracts to move at the deadline.

Washington has the much better option of using #5 to dump salary for direct cap space from a team stockpiling young talent like memphis, OKC, or DET, if that is all they are looking to do. Remember, they are going to have to explain trading away the #5 overall pick to their fanbase, the irony will be overflowing if mike miller is again used by a team to explain to their fanbase why a trade most of them hated was made.

[deeney0]

I imagine 5+Young would be a sticking point for Wash fans. Might get them to bite on one, but both?

[deeney0]

I imagine 5+Young would be a sticking point for Wash fans. Might get them to bite on one, but both?

[shrink]

I imagine 5+Young would be a sticking point for Wash fans. Might get them to bite on one, but both?

WAS GIVES: #5 + Etan Thomas + Mike James + Nick Young
WAS GETS: Foye + Telfair + Stackhouse + #18 + $2.2 mil TPE

If we were just looking at the assets, I think it'd shake out this way:

$17-18 mil > #5 > Nick Young > Foye > #18 > Telfair > Mike James > Etan

Is the first 5 a fair swap? Because I know that the last three favor WAS on the court, where telfair provides a cost-effective back-up to a star like Arenas.