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Post#21 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:39 pm

I have exactly ZERO interest in Shaq "The Big Offensive Foul" O'Neal becoming a Sacramento King.
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Post#22 » by JSrose115 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:40 am

Bac2Basics wrote:The deal with Amare in Sacramento, is while he's incredibly talented and talent is always welcome, there are a few sticking points that I think would make a deal to the Kings pretty unlikely.

1 - Kings primary goal this off season with regards to the roster by most every account is PG, and that's not Amare. Kings would need to use their #4 pick or figure out a trade to address that position. Therefore, any trade including the #4 where Sacramento doesn't get a PG that is supposed to be at least starter quality is a trade that King's brass is unlikely to do, unless we somehow get that PG before the draft w/o using #4.

2 - Kings already have two up and coming big men that we're pretty high on in Thompson & Hawes. I would imagine that at least one of these would be necessary to get the deal done but the max would be one, I don't see Petrie including them both in a deal for most anyone, including Amare.

3 - With those restrictions in place, the Kings offer would probably not be as good as one from other teams, and would probably get rejected due to receiving a better offer. In doing just a quick check probably about the best deal I could see Sacramento offering would be something along the lines of...
Jason Thompson, Andre Nocioni, Kenny Thomas, #23
for
Amare, Goran Dragic & A. Tucker

If that's a package that peaks the interest of PHX so be it, but I'm thinking they'll likely get better offers.


i would switch out tucker and get barnes instead :D
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Post#23 » by Nicky Nix Nook » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:03 am

bdgking wrote:No need for AMARE he would demand a huge contract from us in wich it would likely blow up in our face !

I would rather have SHAQ if it came down to it giving NOCIANI , K9 (EXPIRING) & BENO for him though i doubt that happens if it did i would say we instantly could be a serious contender !

I would not deal HAWES,J.THOMPSON,K.MART or the # 4 pick to get him thats why i cannot see getting Shaq

I would say 1 thing if we got Shaq & won a title we could finally rube that in the Lakers faces as well as SHAQ being a KING and winning a title would really piss off LAKER fans .

lol :D


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Post#24 » by dozencousins » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:26 am

HEY ! I am not a huge SHAQ fan however if we had him along with keeping HAWES, J.T , K.MART & OUR # 4 pick i think we would have a shot to win the title as long as we have a good enough bench .

We would have a line up of

DRAFTED PG hopefully RUBIO
K.MART
J.THOMPSON
HAWES
SHAQ

plus we could rotate HAWES at the CENTER and J.T. at the power forward

looks good to me .
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Post#25 » by jfucsd10 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:43 am

I do not understand the fascination with Amare. Am I the only one who sees a more athletic Zach Randolph? Empty 20 and 10 with ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE ON THE OTHER END OF THE COURT. I mean honestly, the guy gives absolutely no defensive effort and we are talking about giving thompson and the 4th pick? I'm sorry, this isnt even close. Amare right now, given his eye condition, his knee, the fact that hes basically going to be a free agent very soon and would have no interest in staying in Sac all add up to a polite pass on the telephone. He'll if we wanted his production, Im sure we could get the clips to hand over Zach for peanuts.

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This post is not to be construed with me wanting to bring in Randolph, rather to show why I wouldnt want to bring in Amare at anywhere near this price.
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Post#26 » by pillwenney » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:56 am

jfucsd10 wrote:I do not understand the fascination with Amare. Am I the only one who sees a more athletic Zach Randolph? Empty 20 and 10 with ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE ON THE OTHER END OF THE COURT. I mean honestly, the guy gives absolutely no defensive effort and we are talking about giving thompson and the 4th pick? I'm sorry, this isnt even close. Amare right now, given his eye condition, his knee, the fact that hes basically going to be a free agent very soon and would have no interest in staying in Sac all add up to a polite pass on the telephone. He'll if we wanted his production, Im sure we could get the clips to hand over Zach for peanuts.

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This post is not to be construed with me wanting to bring in Randolph, rather to show why I wouldnt want to bring in Amare at anywhere near this price.


To be fair, Amare scores much, much more efficiently than Randolph. That makes a big difference in their value. But I basically agree with the sentiment.
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Post#27 » by KF10 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:17 am

Amare is more efficient scorer, the best PnR PF, very good helpside shotblocker, more talented, athletic, and etc over Zach Randolph.

But as much I like Amare, he is a prima dona, has an eye problem, contract problem (1 year), and etc.

The most I would give to the Suns for Amare is:

Thompson, Garcia, Jackson (resigned for one year ~3 million) Noc and a 2010 pick (top 3 protected) FOR Amare and Richardson.

(This trade was from the "Mission Impossible II: Rebuild the Kings" by me).
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Post#28 » by Smills91 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:01 am

mitchweber wrote:
jfucsd10 wrote:I do not understand the fascination with Amare. Am I the only one who sees a more athletic Zach Randolph? Empty 20 and 10 with ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE ON THE OTHER END OF THE COURT. I mean honestly, the guy gives absolutely no defensive effort and we are talking about giving thompson and the 4th pick? I'm sorry, this isnt even close. Amare right now, given his eye condition, his knee, the fact that hes basically going to be a free agent very soon and would have no interest in staying in Sac all add up to a polite pass on the telephone. He'll if we wanted his production, Im sure we could get the clips to hand over Zach for peanuts.

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This post is not to be construed with me wanting to bring in Randolph, rather to show why I wouldnt want to bring in Amare at anywhere near this price.


To be fair, Amare scores much, much more efficiently than Randolph. That makes a big difference in their value. But I basically agree with the sentiment.


I think the Randolph comparison, at least for me, is that it's a hollow 20/10. Sure he gets his stats, but it doesn't make the team BETTER IMO. Especially since his defense might be worse than Randolph's, it;s close.
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Post#29 » by pillwenney » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:33 pm

Smills91 wrote:I think the Randolph comparison, at least for me, is that it's a hollow 20/10. Sure he gets his stats, but it doesn't make the team BETTER IMO. Especially since his defense might be worse than Randolph's, it;s close.


I don't think it is. I think scoring stats are only made hollow when they're inefficient. That's precisely why Zach's scoring is hollow. Amare's scoring does certainly help his team a lot. But like I said, I basically agree with everything else. I think the guy is much worse off without a great playmaker and outside of his scoring, you're not really getting anything. So I'm also against going after him, I just think that Randolph is an overly harsh comparison.

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