Possible draft day trade?

MaryvalesFinest · Post #1 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:21 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2008 ... ade-rumors

The Washington Wizards select fifth, and that’s where things get interesting. More and more sources are starting to hear the same thing revolving around the Wizards and Suns possible deal.

The trade would have the Wizards select Jordan Hill for the Suns, then later in the night trade the rights to Hill, along with a few role players to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire. Amare has said he loves the city of Washington D.C, and fans of the Wizards reportedly are more excited about a possible deal bringing in Stat than any draft pick they take.

Even if the Suns wind up with the fifth pick, they are not looking to trade the 14th pick. Expect them to take a replacement for Grant Hill, who will likely not be back in Phoenix. James Johnson, Earl Clark and Terrence Williams are three names floating around.

With that report from KTAR comming out a few days ago about the Suns wanting to trade up in the draft this makes sense. I wonder who the few other role players would be though.

The Diesel · Post #2 » by **The Diesel** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:35 pm

Isn't Dragic seen by the team as Nash's eventual replacement as the starting PG?

I mean, according to Kerr, "he's the 2nd best PG in the draft." :lol:

PLEASE don't trade Amare for Jamison!!!!

Don't trade Amare at all!

Post #3 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:39 pm

Sorry but what was suppose to be in the deal with the Wiz?

Mr. Sun · Post #4 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:43 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Sorry but what was suppose to be in the deal with the Wiz?

Probably James, Thomas and Jordan Hill (Amere's replacement).

MaryvalesFinest · Post #5 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:44 pm

It was rumored Jamison and the #5 but that could change I think because the Wizards have some expiring contracts.

Mr. Sun · Post #6 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:51 pm

Wiz know we don't want Jamison and so they are looking at a separate deal with the Pistons for him.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #7 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:55 pm

Yeah I'm guessing something like Blatch + James (expiring) + filler ( either Young/Mcgee/Mcguire/Pecherov) + #5 pick

TXSun · Post #8 » by **TXSun** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:16 pm

what's with these "might go down threads"? so we trade Amar'e for a bunch of up & coming young guys? c'mon now.

Post #9 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:23 pm

Wiz would definitely have to offer more than "Jamison+5" for me to even think about it.

Something like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=mt52b5 + the 5th pick is a trade I would look into, since it would give us some young pieces that we could build with and we'd still be competitive in the here and now.

Nash/Dragic/Crittenton
Richardson/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley
Jamison/Blatche/Pecherov
Shaq/Amundson/Lopez

Then grab whoever falls at 5, or trade up for a top 3 pick to nab Rubio or Thabeet.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #10 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:39 pm

More news from the B/R

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2008 ... ade-rumors

The Washington Wizards select fifth, and that’s where things get interesting. More and more sources are starting to hear the same thing revolving around the Wizards and Suns possible deal.

The trade would have the Wizards select Jordan Hill for the Suns, then later in the night trade the rights to Hill, along with a few role players to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire. Amare has said he loves the city of Washington D.C, and fans of the Wizards reportedly are more excited about a possible deal bringing in Stat than any draft pick they take.

Even if the Suns wind up with the fifth pick, they are not looking to trade the 14th pick. Expect them to take a replacement for Grant Hill, who will likely not be back in Phoenix. James Johnson, Earl Clark and Terrence Williams are three names floating around.

Post #11 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:49 pm

Grant Hill likely won't be back in Phoenix? WTF?

azballer53 · Post #12 » by **azballer53** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:59 pm

rsavaj wrote:Grant Hill likely won't be back in Phoenix? WTF?

with all this **** happening nash wont accept his option i bet unless we agree to a trade with him

eastsidecrossover · Post #13 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:05 pm

Agree TXsun, what the F with these stupid "going down" trades threads? Its getting lame. Nothing is going down.

Lets take a step back and see Amare for who he really is. He still is one of the best PF in this draft. Is it worth trading Amare for some expiring contracts, some good players and up and coming player that might never be as good???? Im sorry, the only guy I would trade for is Blake, not Rubio who I think is a little overhyped.

So what, we send Shaq out, send Amare out for maybes and a worst team? Sign me up....... :lol:

NashtyNas · Post #14 » by **NashtyNas** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:14 pm

This is an absolutely terrible deal. There is NO WAY IN HELL I'm ready to give up on Amar'e for a deal this ****. There is nothing more to say. NO TO ANY TRADE WITH WASHINGTON FROM NOW ON UNLESS WE'RE GETTING BUTLER + 5th.

Post #15 » by **nate33** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:23 pm

I agree that Jamison (or expirings) + #5 for Amare isn't fair value, but you have to acknowledge that you aren't going to get fair value for Amare given his injury and contract situation. Amare hasn't hid the fact that he wants to go play in New York with D'Antoni. Washington would be making this deal with the very real possibility that they'd only be renting Amare for a season. With that kind of risk, it's not reasonable to expect them to give up Butler.

If the rumor has any legs at all, then it's likely that Phoenix simply wasn't getting any better offers.

The Diesel · Post #16 » by **The Diesel** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:37 pm

Steve Kyler of HoopsWorld says Amare and Shaq aren't going anywhere based on what Kerr told him regarding these rumors.

Frank Lee · Post #17 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:41 pm

Hmmm.. the fifth pick eh ? Hmmmm... Jordan Hill eh ?

Hmmmm... What school did he go to ???

All you non Stat-traders need to wake up and see exactly what we are dealing with.

Stat WILL go to the highest bidder. WE WILL NOT be the highest bidder. (I know that is an assumption on my part, but do you really believe we would be ?? ).

If Stat gets injured this yr, we are stuck with a 17mill deal for the next. If Stat plays well and healthy, his value goes up. His Price tag goes up ...... and then,

NO WAY we can afford him.

and NO WAY to trade him unless he signs and extension to whom ever he is dealt.... thus giving Amare a lot of leverage.

Given the belief that we are not contenders (actually one of the few things Kerr-veball and I agree upon) and considering the difficult situation Amare has put us in.... I think PHNX takes a good strong look at what Wash offers. It will likely be the highest pick available to us.... Jordan Hill looks like a good young player.

Of the players Washington has,

I would want Songailis. He has a solid game and a decent contract..
I'd take Crittenton too. I remember several were high for that kid when he was drafted. Playing time will do wonders for player development.
We'd also have to take one of Thomas or Heyward for the $$'s to work.

Thats a four for one deal, which, in itself is a cost saving.

Draft Hill at 5, draft SF Johnson at 14.... let GHill walk... Let Barnes walk.... peddle Shaq for additional savings... and forge onward with the young guns. ...

oh yeah, Let Nash out if he wants too

Like I said, This rebuild isn't going to be easy. But with offers for both Shaq AND Stat being presented, may be Kerr-nel Clink's job is getting a little easier.

PS....

Steve Kyler of HoopsWorld says Amare and Shaq aren't going anywhere based on what Kerr told him regarding these rumors.

The 'FLAW' in that staemnet

Post #18 » by **nate33** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:01 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Of the players Washington has,

I would want Songailis. He has a solid game and a decent contract..
I'd take Crittenton too. I remember several were high for that kid when he was drafted. Playing time will do wonders for player development.
We'd also have to take one of Thomas or Heyward for the $$'s to work.

You can have Crittenton. Most Wizards fans figure he'll pan out to be a quality backup PG or perhaps a serviceable starter, but he's not star material. The Wizards can replace him.

You can have Songaila too, though if you're looking to rebuild, I'd suggest taking Mike James instead, since his contract expires in 2010.

Etan is garbage. He's definitely "filler" in the deal and would be included without hesitation.

Haywood is quite possibly the most underrated player in the league and is arguably the second best player on the Wizards - ahead of Butler and Jamison. (The only real difference between this year's 19-win team and last year's 43-win team was Haywood.) You absolutely cannot have him. That would be a dealbreaker.

Mr. Sun · Post #19 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:06 pm

Frank Lee wrote:All you non Stat-traders need to wake up and see exactly what we are dealing with.

Stat WILL go to the highest bidder. WE WILL NOT be the highest bidder. (I know that is an assumption on my part, but do you really believe we would be ?? ).

Just to add: Suns traded Marion for the same reason - wouldn't been able to sign him to an affordable contract. Same with STAT. He wants the Suns to break their backs paying him. If he can be moved for a Jordan Hill then that is ideal for the Suns considering the alternatives.

eastsidecrossover · Post #20 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:51 pm

Songailis is a POS. No thank you Frank. that is just a terrible trade. One that Mary would post.

How can you say the suns can’t afford him? Nash contract is off the books, shaq is off the books and frees up a lot of money. What is our future? Barbs, tragic and Lopez? We can say how we all think that these guys can be good, but will never even come close to what Amare is and can be. Again, he is only 26!

Problem is, suns have no choice in not making Amare a big offer. If you are thinking otherwise, you are kidding yourself. Why, because this idea we are going to hit rock bottom to rebuild aint going to happen. Why, because that means less money for Sarver and Nash wont resign, but they want him too. This is what the C's would do. They never hit rock bottom and rather at least make the playoffs. This method might have hurt this organization over the long haul and one that Sarver and kerr are wanting to take. If amare comes out and plays well and rebounds and plays better next year, he will get max money. His numbers show that he can and is a max player.

Suns have a choice, be the Sacramento Kings and start over, and over, and over again, or rebuild around our best player.

Suns should not trade shaq until the deadline. Amare wont be traded this offseason IMO.