Mark Bradley: Say goodbye to Marvin, hello to Caron Butler

[HMFFL]

Mark Bradley: Say goodbye to Marvin Williams, hello to Caron Butler

Marvin Williams is the least essential Hawks starter. He scores points and takes rebounds but seems to leave no imprint on games, and one of the reasons Joe Johnson gets the ball with three seconds on the shot clock — or, worse, Josh Smith gets it 25 feet from the hoop — is that Marvin, four years a pro, still won’t assert himself.

I want to see Marvin not assert himself elsewhere next season. I want the Hawks to re-sign him — he’s a restricted free agent — and ship him and Acie Law to Washington for Caron Butler and Javaris Crittenton. The Wizards are looking to cut salary, so that part would work for them, and they’re also looking to get younger. Williams turns 23 on Friday; Butler is 29. Link

[killbuckner]

he knows that both teams have to agree to a trade right? there is no chance in hell the Wizards would do that.

[evildallas]

Looking to get younger? Where did he get that from? The Wizards have the #5 pick in the draft and are so intent on winning now that they want to ship it out. More on that lower. They also have a lot of young talent (JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, Nick Young) just not at every position, so it isn't like they don't have a future core.

If Washington is truly looking to cut salary as he proposes a more sensible deal would include Speedy's contract with Acie and Marvin in the S&T and have us get back Caron, Javaris, and a bad contract like Etan Thomas. That would trim 3.5M off there payroll which would would be 7M in savings since they are well into luxury tax. If the rumored insurance coverage of most of Speedy's contract is true then their real savings is 11M which might be enough to do it if they were concerned about the luxury tax.

The thing is I don't believe they are that concerned about the money. Their owner is Abe Pollin who will turn 86 next season really wants to make a playoff run again before he dies. With that in mind they are intested in adding veteran talent not trading an all-star SF for a player who may blossom into a cornerstone after Abe is gone. Marvin isn't bad and shows sign of improvement, but Caron is in his prime now.

[raleigh]

A rebuttal:

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2009/06/ma ... utler.html

[evildallas]

^^^ Good rebuttal article.

[parson]

I'm skeptical of Bradley's premise, "...one of the reasons Joe Johnson gets the ball with three seconds on the shot clock ..." when I read 82games.com and see that Joe only shoots 20% of his shots with 4 or fewer seconds on the clock, while Marvelous shoots 41% of his shots with 4 or fewer seconds left. We're not running those isolation plays for Joe in the last seconds; we're BASING our offense on them at the beginning of the shot clock.

Joe shoots 54% of his shots in the 1st 15 seconds.

[raleigh]

I'm skeptical of Bradley's premise, "...one of the reasons Joe Johnson gets the ball with three seconds on the shot clock ..." when I read 82games.com and see that Joe only shoots 20% of his shots with 4 or fewer seconds on the clock, while Marvelous shoots 41% of his shots with 4 or fewer seconds left. We're not running those isolation plays for Joe in the last seconds; we're BASING our offense on them at the beginning of the shot clock.

Joe shoots 54% of his shots in the 1st 15 seconds.

Great point!

I've found Bradley and Sekou to be a bit of "Smith homers." Not that there's anything wrong with that in isolation, it just seems like many people who LOVE Smith seem to do it so at the expense of the other players on the team. The Hawks have been really blessed by having four players over the past few years that can score efficiently (Bibby, Marvin, Al, Childress). Without those players, I think the high usage guys (JJ, Flip, Smith) would look much worse.

[JoshB914]

Hard to even bother with articles like this. Why would the Wizards want to get younger?

The AJC needs to stop it with their columnists writing about the NBA. None of those guys seem to have any sort of reasonable grasp of what is going on with the Hawks or the rest of the league for that matter.

[parson]

Thank you, Mrh.

[azuresou1]

Hard to even bother with articles like this. Why would the Wizards want to get younger?

The AJC needs to stop it with their columnists writing about the NBA. None of those guys seem to have any sort of reasonable grasp of what is going on with the Hawks or the rest of the league for that matter.

Sekou is decent.

[yungal07]

Both those articles are pure bunk. The first one is stupid for thinking the Wizards would even contemplate such a horrible one-sided trade, and the "rebuttal" is stupid for thinking Marvin Williams is even remotely on the same stratosphere basketball-wise as Butler.

[raleigh]

I'm allergic to the word "bunk," so I won't be responding.