TJ Ford

[Harry]

it is getting closer and closer where the Hawks are going to have to make decisions for next season's roster

#19, Speedy, and Acie for TJ Ford

i don't know if the Pacers would accept and if this is the best offer on the table for Ford, but it would give the Hawks more finaical flexability to resign Flip and Marvin.

[raleigh]

That's too much for Ford.

It's either the #19 + Speedy, or Acie + Speedy + 2nd.

[killbuckner]

I think you are overvaluing Acie... I don't think he is valued as anything more than an expiring contract at this point. I'd be very surprised if his 4th year team option were picked up

[evildallas]

Given the financial implications if Speedy for Ford straight up worked under the cap I would consider it fair because of the savings it would give Indy as they try resign Jarrett Jack. I think Acie may be needed to make the contracts get close enough though. There is more than just talent to consider in these trades. Ford has 2 yr/17M left on his contract and appeared headed to the bench late in the year.

I assume by financial flexibility you mean to renounce Bibby because Ford makes what I anticipated offering Bibby so it isn't a savings in my eyes. His contract does expire in 2 years which makes it a good match for drafting a PG to take over though. I suspect a Bibby resigning would require a 3 year deal.

[raleigh]

I think you are overvaluing Acie... I don't think he is valued as anything more than an expiring contract at this point. I'd be very surprised if his 4th year team option were picked up

And you know you're undervaluing him.

[killbuckner]

mrhonline- don't you think that he has more value as a 2.2 million dollar expiring contract than as a guy guaranteed 3 million dollars in 2011? Do you really think his TO will be picked up?

[raleigh]

Of course it will. He has hardly played in two years. He still has value.

[killbuckner]

well- Options must be picked up by October 31st so I guess we will see. I would be pretty shocked to see any team voluntarily pay Acie Law 3 million dollars in 2011. So many teams are trying to get rid of 2011 salary that I can't see any possible way his option would be picked up. Put it htis way- Shelden Williams showed more than Acie and he didn't have his team option picked up.

[azuresou1]

Shelden also got more PT than Acie.

I think Acie still has some value, but I wouldn't pick up his option ATM. Of course, this all changes if he gets more playing time and shows more consistency.

[killbuckner]

You have to pick up his 4th year TO before his 3rd year starts. I don't exactly get the argument that because Acie played less then he is worth more... He scored 2.9 PPG this year. If he were better he would have gotten more PT.

[evildallas]

IMO, unless Acie Law looks like a total stud in preseason camp I don't think the option is picked up by the Hawks. If someone else trades for him it could go either way. If they want an expiring contract like most do they won't pick up the option. If they have mad love for Acie and think he's just not had an opportunity they might pick up the option. I just don't see many teams in that latter camp.

[Harry10]

Given the financial implications if Speedy for Ford straight up worked under the cap I would consider it fair because of the savings it would give Indy as they try resign Jarrett Jack. I think Acie may be needed to make the contracts get close enough though. There is more than just talent to consider in these trades. Ford has 2 yr/17M left on his contract and appeared headed to the bench late in the year.

I assume by financial flexibility you mean to renounce Bibby because Ford makes what I anticipated offering Bibby so it isn't a savings in my eyes. His contract does expire in 2 years which makes it a good match for drafting a PG to take over though. I suspect a Bibby resigning would require a 3 year deal.

i wanted to post 19, and Speedy for Ford...... but it doesn't work in Trade Checker (i had to add Acie or Morris)

if the Hawks offer Bibby $5M, then Speedy, Acie, and Bibby for 2010 would come out to $10.9M on the Hawks' books

if the trade happen, then with Ford, it comes out to $8.5M....... the savings comes out to $2.4M

if Hawks offer Acie an option, then that could slightly effect resigning Joe

[evildallas]

^^^ Indiana is not in great financial shape either. They wouldn't want to take on more salary.

Speedy + Acie for TJ Ford works in my eyes (and in trade checker) because I've given up on Acie and see him as an expiring contract, same as Speedy. Ford is 8.5M, Speedy + Acie would be 7.5M and if insurance takes on $4M of that then Indiana saves 5M in year one and 8.5 in year 2. I don't give them the pick because they are saving quite a bit of money. Our savings would be from replacing Speedy and Acie with someone who plays and renouncing Bibby. I think that resigning Flip for insurance would be real important as would drafting a PG. The other thing to consider is does having that 8.5M committed in year 2 make signing Joe any more or less likely. I don't know the answer nor do I feel like crunching the numbers right now.

I favor almost any deal that replaces Speedy with someone who can play. I think it is the only way we really improve next year. Having said that, I'm not really sold on TJ Ford as an upgrade to Bibby though. If someone has the breakdown I'd be interested in reading it though. Felton or Sessions seem like better investments to me.

[raleigh]

Indy's big financial crunch will be 2010, which is why the Law/Claxton trade makes sense for them.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of having both Ford and Bibby.

[evildallas]

Interesting thought. Have to do the math on it. Ford + Bibby would depend on Bibby's salary, as well as what happens with Zaza and probably most of all the Luxury Tax level, but I could see it as a way to free up most of the MLE for a big. I'd understand trying to deal the pick in that scenario because the strategy is really leveraged for a 1 or 2 year run. If not signing someone with the full MLE there would be a possibility of keeping Flip to play the backup 2 and still having enough to court David Andersen for the front line. To be honest there's a lot of ifs in the plan and I'd be really impressed if Sund deliver such a cohesive tweaking of the roster.