New GM a Team Transactions Thread

[BlackIce]

Atlanta and Detroit have a agreed to a deal

Atlanta sends Joe Smith and Maurice Evans

Detroit sends Kurt Thomas

1,990,000 + 2,500,000 = 3,490,000
3,800,000

Salary obviously work

With Iverson and Joel Anthony acquisitions we have no playing time for Joe or Evans. So we decided to trade them for an expiring to save LT money next season.

Confirmed. We think both guys are on great deals, and are happy to bolster our bench. We have been looking for a backup PF and Smith fits the bill. Mo Evans is Battier-lite and will be some gret insurance if I decided to move Battier.

[BlackIce]

Trade to annouce with LAC.

Kelenna Azubuike $3,100,000
Steven Hunter $3,696,000 (exp)

for

Udonis Haslem $7,100,000 (exp)

We get a legit 3rd big and solidify our bench, also Haslem is a 2010 expiring which is nice.

[skorff26]

Atlanta and Detroit have a agreed to a deal

Atlanta sends Joe Smith and Maurice Evans

Detroit sends Kurt Thomas

1,990,000 + 2,500,000 = 3,490,000
3,800,000

Salary obviously work

With Iverson and Joel Anthony acquisitions we have no playing time for Joe or Evans. So we decided to trade them for an expiring to save LT money next season.

Trade approved.

[skorff26]

Orlando and Cleveland have reached an agreement on a blockbuster deal.

Troy Murphy/Mike Conley/Corey Brewer for Pau Gasol/Anthony Carter/Desmond Mason

$11,047,619 + $3,883,800 + $2,916,120 = $17,847,539

$16,452,000 + $825,497 + $825,497 = $18,102,994

Orlando is excited to bring in Pau as we feel he is an exceptional compliment to Dwight in the front court. We will miss Murphy's 3 point ability and Conley's potential.

Orlando accepts.

Trade on hold, there have been a few veto requests; a decision will be made later.

At first, this trade seemed very lopsided; but after looking over what Murphy did the past year, it is a lot more fair than what it first seemed. Also, Conley and Brewer have a wide array of opinions on how good they actually are which makes this trade very hard to make a ruling on.

I received about 10 veto requests which actually kind of surprised me, and after thinking it over, the trade will be vetoed because of the amount of requests and the fact that this might not be enough value for Gasol.

I will leave open the possibility that it might be approved later since right now Cleveland's GM is having computer problems and has not been able to give me a good reason why he did the trade. If he really wants to proceed with this trade and has good reasoning to do so, then there is a chance that this trade may be allowed in the future, but as of right now it is vetoed.

[roc]

the trade will be vetoed because of the amount of requests and the fact that this might not be enough value for Gasol.

Might not???

Gasol was traded for much less in real life.

I am skeptical as to the reason for all those vetoes.

I will hope Cleveland's GM gets his computer woes straightened out as well as this trade.

In the meantime I will not be discussing any trades with anyone.

[bringbackhoffa]

i do think this is close to being a fair trade if you take back at least a couple of bad contracts with gasol and not expirings/minimum deals. While murphy,brewer,conley are good they are not pau gasol good. if u were to put all those players on the lakers and take gasol out do u actually think they would still win a championship??? i dont think so

and if u need a third team to match salaries, holla

well thats just my 2 cents..

[roc]

Of course you want me to take back some contracts. That way you have one less team to worry about taking LeBron.

and

What did LA trade to get Pau in the first place hmmm?

[bringbackhoffa]

every team in the league shat their pants when they heard gasol got traded sor scrap, they all wanted the memphis gm's **** cut off, thats why we have a veto option in thinks game so trades like that dont happen and ruin the integrity of the game.

and so by going by ur philosophy if i were to have talked to CLE and traded him David Lee, Derek Fisher and Chris Mihm for Gasol, You wouldnt of had any problems? I sincerly doubt it

[roc]

I know you were trying to get ahold of the Cleveland GM, is that what you were going to offer him?

Is Lee #2 in rebounding, #3 in 3FG%, and #13 in efficiency? Is Fisher a recent #4 pick on a rookie deal that was busting out in the second half of the season? Is Mihm even able to play?

Even though your offer is extreme weaksauce compared to mine, Lee is a young big on a reasonable contract so I doubt I would have vetoed it just on that merit.

[nba_addict]

What did LA trade to get Pau in the first place hmmm?

This doesnt justify anything. There are sorrounding circumstances why Memphis traded Gasol for craps (dumb GM, salary relief, injuries, frustration, etc.). The Pau Gasol today is entirely different from Paul Gasol in Memphis.

[roc]

The Pau Gasol today is entirely different from Paul Gasol in Memphis.

True. He is a couple years older and has Kobe and Phil.

[SamBone]

what were the vetoing GM reasons? stats and talent are very equal (in my opinion)

[bringbackhoffa]

I know you were trying to get ahold of the Cleveland GM, is that what you were going to offer him?

Is Lee #2 in rebounding, #3 in 3FG%, and #13 in efficiency? Is Fisher a recent #4 pick on a rookie deal that was busting out in the second half of the season? Is Mihm even able to play?

Even though your offer is extreme weaksauce compared to mine, Lee is a young big on a reasonable contract so I doubt I would have vetoed it just on that merit.

It wasnt about gasol, i traded him earlier for a reason, and for ur information i got a much better deal then the one u gave him
i got hedo(who helped his team to the NBA finals and was snubbed for all star consideration this yr), Mo Williams(who helped his team to the eastern confernece finals, and was an allstar this yr), Zaza (an experienced center on a expiring deal), and Josh Childress rights (who is a solid role player), and i ended up sending him gasol, and crap which included adam morrison and his terrible deal (even though it is a 2010 exp. the deal was done during the 2008/09 season which meant he would have to deal with a crap player during the 2009-10 season who would be hard to trade..
AND BTW that deal had vetoes saying i didnt get enough value for gasol, so if i didnt get enough value theres no way you gave enough value for gasol....

[roc]

Hedo had a blah season but looked real nice in the playoffs for a bit. Mo sucks but got the all star by default and playing next to the golden child. Ammo was as you say a 2010 expiring which in this game was valuable. Josh is iffy, especially at the price you matched.

Conley's value in this game >>>> Mo's and Brewer is also a decent young player on a rookie deal that in this game also has good value. If Orlando had Murphy instead of Shard they would have matched up a ton better with LA.

I will just have to wait for Cleveland and see how it plays out.

[BlackIce]

Hedo had a blah season but looked real nice in the playoffs for a bit. Mo sucks but got the all star by default and playing next to the golden child. Ammo was as you say a 2010 expiring which in this game was valuable. Josh is iffy, especially at the price you matched.

Conley's value in this game >>>> Mo's Conley's value in this game >>>> Mo's and Brewer is also a decent young player on a rookie deal that in this game also has good value. If Orlando had Murphy instead of Shard they would have matched up a ton better with LA.

I will just have to wait for Cleveland and see how it plays out.

Come on now, Mo was an allstar-albeit he had LBJ-but still. I had Conley he is a PG prospect but when you consider this past draft there are a ton of similar prospects arond the league. Hell I chose to keep Lawson at 1.8 mill over Conley at 5 mill on an increasing scale. He doesn't have the value that you are trying to say he does, though I'm all for trying to make the best trade you can so I can't blame you.

[skorff26]

what were the vetoing GM reasons? stats and talent are very equal (in my opinion)

The reasons were that Murphy has an iffy contract, and the young guys hadn't proven anything. Those were the 2 main reasons that veto requests were submitted.

[vege]

IMHO there are a lot of different ways to see a trade. Let me take the previous and mentioned Gason trade since i was part of it.

Atlanta in: Pau Gasol, Adam Morrison, Josh Powell, Sun Yue
Lakers in: Mo Will, Hedo Turkoglu, Zaza Pachulia, Ike Diogu, Atlanta 2010 1st round pick (unprotected), Rights to Josh Childress

This was the trade.

Ammo like mentioned was an expiring so he had positive value to me. Sun Yue and Josh Powell for me were worth a 2nd round pick each. Powell was my backup PF and Yue a project.

I traded Mo Williams, Nelson was my starter so Mo Will was an overpaid 6th man and i would be forced to play Mo Will and Nelson at the same time which would sux since it would be a hell of an undersized back court.

Turkoglu would need a big extension, and while he is a great player i had plenty of options on the free agent market. I ended up getting Marion, he is a much better fit than Turkoglu and a lot cheaper than Turkoglu.

I had no intention to resign Zaza neither Diogu and i wasn't too keen to overpay to sign Childress. My 2010 pick is probably a 25+ pick so not that valuable for me.

So if you look into my perspective i got Pau without give up any value. If you look into the other team perspective, he got 2 players he love and he had the intention to sign them, Hedo and Childress. A serviceable big in Zaza and a pick, for Gasol and a salary dump/reduction.

Not fantastic but not bad.

I don't know, i think we shouldn't discuss the veto until we have Cleveland version, if the guy have a reason to do the trade it should be allowed. Without read what he have to say i think it's pointless to discuss player A or Player B value, he might value those players different than the ppl posting it here, so it's a waste of time imo.

Skorff decision as usual is a good decision, he is putting the trade on hold until he find out why Cavs did the deal and i think everyone, including you r0cd0gg should be ok with that decision. I haven't sent a veto request neither think the trade should be vetoed but i think it's fair to read what the other GM have to say about the trade before approve it.

[roc]

Nicely put vege.

skorf has done an awesome job, no problems there.

My biggest issue at this point(besides peeps drastically undervalueing Murphy) is that the deadline is approaching and I am stuck in limbo unable to make any moves.

[bringbackhoffa]

are u kidding me conley is not better then mo williams. though he is now playing with lebron his numbers have not changed since he came from mil. he just happened to be one of the missing pieces CLE needed
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
03-04 UTA 57 0 13.5 0.380 0.256 0.786 0.4 0.9 1.3 1.3 0.5 0.0 0.89 1.50 5.0
04-05 MIL 80 80 28.2 0.438 0.323 0.850 0.6 2.4 3.1 6.1 0.9 0.1 2.45 2.80 10.2
05-06 MIL 58 12 26.4 0.424 0.382 0.850 0.5 1.9 2.5 4.0 0.9 0.1 1.81 2.50 12.1
06-07 MIL 68 68 36.4 0.446 0.346 0.855 0.8 4.0 4.8 6.1 1.2 0.1 2.99 3.00 17.3
07-08 MIL 66 66 36.5 0.480 0.385 0.856 0.6 2.9 3.5 6.3 1.2 0.2 2.76 2.80 17.2
08-09 CLE 81 81 35.0 0.467 0.436 0.912 0.6 2.9 3.4 4.1 0.9 0.1 2.21 2.70 17.8

The numbers are much better then conleys who numbers are no way near these, and turk has played great for the last 2 seasons. and valuewise i admited earlier that i did not get enough values thats why there were vetos for it. ANd even though AMMO deal was a 2010 exp he still had to deal with a contract that was not exp and was for a player that was being way overpaid. In ur deal ur getting the best player and not taking on any bad contracts which would usually happen on a deal like this. and conley and brewer would not be anything more then bench players for CLE so i dont see how he getting great value out of this deal.
and Hedo did not end up getting overpaid(1 yr deal) as he ended up in a sign and trade for david lee, though childress signed for a little bit more then i expected i needed to match it as other restricted free agent players i had, signed to ridiculus deals that i could not match.

[roc]

The missing piece that helped them get to the finals and win, oh wait, they didn't even make the finals.

Look at Mo's 2nd year compared to Conley's, similair numbers except Conley's 3FG% and D are better. We also have to consider that in this game the young players now have an extra year of seasoning under their belts since 2010 is drawing to a close.

and

Yeah it sucks having to match overpaid deals. I did the same with Gortat just so I could use him as trade bait. Big Baby was mos def overpaid as well and not worth matching, good move there.