Would you trade Yao for Lamarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden?

JordansBulls · Post #1 » by **JordansBulls** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:44 am

Would you trade Yao for Lamarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden?

Imagine a Roy/Yao combo, but also imagine a lineup of Brooks, Battier, Artest, Aldridge and Oden

Who benefits more? Portland with Roy/Yao or Houston with Aldridge and Oden

BaYBaller · Post #2 » by **BaYBaller** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:01 am

I'm not sure people are aware but Oden has proved absolutely nothing so far in his NBA career other than he's injury prone. Still completely raw on the offensive end and a bit lost on the defensive end. Personally I wouldn't touch that trade, but if HOU were rebuilding you could do worse I'm sure but for immediate impact there is no question POR gets the better end of the deal talent-wise however it leaves them a pretty big hole at PF.

moofs · Post #3 » by **moofs** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:07 am

Franchise players are not traded, ESPECIALLY not with 2+ years left on their rookie contracts. Neither team remotely considers this.

The trade doesn't even work
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5127662

Trade checker, man. Trade. Checker. As many trades as you post, I can't believe you STILL don't use it regularly.

wushui · Post #4 » by **wushui** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:02 am

moofs wrote:Franchise players are not traded, ESPECIALLY not with 2+ years left on their rookie contracts. Neither team remotely considers this.

The trade doesn't even work
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5127662

Trade checker, man. Trade. Checker. As many trades as you post, I can't believe you STILL don't use it regularly.

Why are you being so anal? The OP was obviously speaking figuratively. Would you or would you not do this trade if the deal was on the table and if salaries did not figure into the equation. It's not that hard.

Personally, I would not the do the trade. Like someone else mentioned, Greg Oden has proven nothing in his short career and LMA is nothing more than a big jump shooter at this point.

RayStats34 · Post #5 » by **RayStats34** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:07 am

How about

Yao Ming , Carl Landry for Greg Oden and Lamarcus Aldridge It works in the Trade Checker if Carl Landry accepts the trade. and both teams benefit

Portland: Brandon Roy gets his big man and high energy forward in Landry.

Houston gets a go to player at power forward and size which we need

dunleavyjr · Post #6 » by **dunleavyjr** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:06 am

Yao + Landry

for

Aldridge + Outlaw

I don't want Oden. Guy is another Olowokandi.

Teckon · Post #7 » by **Teckon** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:18 am

It is already hard to consider Yao for Aldridge + Oden.. With Oden not proven in anything on a NBA level plus Yao is definitely >>> then Aldridge.

Then some one want to add Landry? Adding Landry just make this a one sided trade for the Blazers and a BIG NO NO for the rockets.

Teckon · Post #8 » by **Teckon** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:20 am

As for Outlaw, some of the blazer fans wanted to give Outlaw for free after their loss to the rockets in the playoff.

smapor · Post #9 » by **smapor** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:57 pm

This is almost as bad as Yao for Blake Griffin at Clutch. Hard to believe people would do this for a rookie and least get proven talent unless Rockets are rebuilding.

tha_rock220 · Post #10 » by **tha_rock220** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:52 pm

Players I would trade Yao for without thinking.(The "You're no longer welcome here Yao" list)

LeBron James and Dwight Howard

Players I would have to give serious thought to trading Yao for.

Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Roy, Williams, Durant, Dirk

Nobody else is worth Yao Ming IMO.

hackle · Post #11 » by **hackle** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:40 am

Yao is not to be traded. he may be signed by another team when contract expires. but trade him? oh please. morey will get on his knees to get yao sign the next contract.

RayStats34 · Post #12 » by **RayStats34** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 am

tha_rock220 wrote:Players I would trade Yao for without thinking.(The "You're no longer welcome here Yao" list)

LeBron James and Dwight Howard

Players I would have to give serious thought to trading Yao for.

Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Roy, Williams, Durant, Dirk

Nobody else is worth Yao Ming IMO.

Why do you have Kobe below Lebron and Dwight Howard?

Kobe and Artest and the Rockets role players we would be like the 90's bulls teams

Jordan- Kobe

Pippen- Artest

MigrainePatrol · Post #13 » by **MigrainePatrol** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:09 am

Though, I do like Yao, you guys under estimate Aldridge / Oden. Oden may be raw but comparing him to the Kandi man ? LOL Oden has more than something to work with because of the prowess he posses that IMO is better than Bynum by a land slide. And LMA is definitely the second coming of a Prime Rasheed Wallace for Portland. With the guys we already have on this team and how they played against the Lakers in the 2nd round... You have to be a hater not to think Oden / LMA combo doesn't put the Rox over the top to win it all.

smapor · Post #14 » by **smapor** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:39 pm

MigrainePatrol wrote:Though, I do like Yao, you guys under estimate Aldridge / Oden. Oden may be raw but comparing him to the Kandi man ? LOL Oden has more than something to work with because of the prowess he posses that IMO is better than Bynum by a land slide. And LMA is definitely the second coming of a Prime Rasheed Wallace for Portland. With the guys we already have on this team and how they played against the Lakers in the 2nd round... You have to be a hater not to think Oden / LMA combo doesn't put the Rox over the top to win it all.

LMA needs to work on his post game and he got exposed by the Rockets for his weak defense. (Gasol and Odom, would have eaten him alive), the last thing the Rockets need is another PF who doesn't play the Post. We would literally turn into a jump shooting team.

Oden, why do we get somebody who is injury prone and fouls out in 15 minutes. Who will be our backup Center again? Chuck Hayes?

If it was for Brandon Roy + Oden sure.

moofs · Post #15 » by **moofs** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:10 pm

wushui wrote:Why are you being so anal? The OP was obviously speaking figuratively. Would you or would you not do this trade if the deal was on the table and if salaries did not figure into the equation. It's not that hard.

Reality is anal? Calling out a good post for three misspellings is anal. Pointing out that there are at least 10 obvious reasons for there being a 0% chance that something can happen is not.

I'm just saying that the dude goes to several boards and pastes tons of trades off the top of his head, and never seems to make sure the trades he's proposing make half a lick of sense, supports them in any way, or anything else. If you throw salaries and/or current team constructions out the window (also known as "reality"), you're basically doing player comparisons, at best. I don't see any difference between this and going to the Milwaukee board and asking what everyone thinks of "Would you trade Yao, McGrady, Hayes (cause he has to be thrown in on everything) for Redd, Jefferson, Bogut". No supporting arguments, no validity, just several random players picked for no obvious reason. You might as well post an entire thread of LOLCATS.

syj805 · Post #16 » by **syj805** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:26 pm

I've seen some ridiculous fan trade proposals, but these hypothetical situations are just for 'fun' and 'talk'. Don't take them too seriously. . . . As for Greg Oden, he doesn't have much of an offensive game and looks just as fragile as Yao.

BaYBaller · Post #17 » by **BaYBaller** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:42 pm

MigrainePatrol wrote:Though, I do like Yao, you guys under estimate Aldridge / Oden. Oden may be raw but comparing him to the Kandi man ? LOL Oden has more than something to work with because of the prowess he posses that IMO is better than Bynum by a land slide. And LMA is definitely the second coming of a Prime Rasheed Wallace for Portland. With the guys we already have on this team and how they played against the Lakers in the 2nd round... You have to be a hater not to think Oden / LMA combo doesn't put the Rox over the top to win it all.

Did you just call LMA a prime Sheed and Oden = Bynum (actually that's funny because Oden has proven less than Bynum, who he himself hasn't proven much of anything either! :lol:

)?

Is this where I call Yao the second coming of Kareem?

PocketRockets · Post #18 » by **PocketRockets** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:35 pm

RayStats34 wrote:Why do you have Kobe below Lebron and Dwight Howard?

Kobe and Artest and the Rockets role players we would be like the 90's bulls teams

Jordan- Kobe

Pippen- Artest

I think simply for Age would Kobe, duncan and crew would be put below James and D12. Kobe is old and most likely go for 4-5 more years at most. LJ and D12 can go for at least 10. =/

BaYBaller wrote: Did you just call LMA a prime Sheed and Oden = Bynum (actually that's funny because Oden has proven less than Bynum, who he himself hasn't proven much of anything either! )?

Is this where I call Yao the second coming of Kareem?

Sheed can play the post. It's only recently like I've seen him consistently staying on the arc and jacking up 3's (past 3-4 seasons). Sheed used to be a baller and something that LMA can be with a post up game. Oden a Olowokandi hahahhah that's harsh man. I agree though Bynum and Oden are both busts so far, but injuries have derailed their careers so far. Ceiling wise they're about the same with Bynum having the higher ceiling due to his speed. Oden is a turtle man. He's so uncoordinated/clumsy-moving, he reminds me of a black Yao.

FTR Kareem was great. I remember watching him do sky hooks from the 3 point line, consistently. Imagine if he did it during games? How would you stop that? I don't think Yao is "great" but can get there if he shows better stamina and can last a whole championship season. =/ For now, to me, Yao isn't a HOF player. He probably needs a championship or two before I can say he deserves to be in the HOF.

MigrainePatrol · Post #19 » by **MigrainePatrol** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:18 pm

BaYBaller wrote:
MigrainePatrol wrote:Though, I do like Yao, you guys under estimate Aldridge / Oden. Oden may be raw but comparing him to the Kandi man ? LOL Oden has more than something to work with because of the prowess he posses that IMO is better than Bynum by a land slide. And LMA is definitely the second coming of a Prime Rasheed Wallace for Portland. With the guys we already have on this team and how they played against the Lakers in the 2nd round... You have to be a hater not to think Oden / LMA combo doesn't put the Rox over the top to win it all.

Did you just call LMA a prime Sheed and Oden = Bynum (actually that's funny because Oden has proven less than Bynum, who he himself hasn't proven much of anything either! )?

Is this where I call Yao the second coming of Kareem?

I don't know what series you were watching but there are plenty of times LMA was just plain unstoppable vs a Scola, Yao, Landry or anything we had couldn't guard him in the post or stop from making outside jumpers. Plus every chance he got he jammed it home in the Rocket's face. Oden is better than even Bynum but riddled with injuries IMO. He got the timing to block shots and had a couple of spin moves for some hard dunks you don't see Bynum do very well or with as much ferocity. So what if he got in foul trouble early, so does Bynum against Yao, and this is Oden's first season and playoff series and it looks like he gonna be alright and have a way bigger upside than Bynum. I think Oden is a better more powerful post player than Bynum because of the glimpses I saw.

BaYBaller · Post #20 » by **BaYBaller** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:55 pm

MigrainePatrol wrote:
BaYBaller wrote:
MigrainePatrol wrote:Though, I do like Yao, you guys under estimate Aldridge / Oden. Oden may be raw but comparing him to the Kandi man ? LOL Oden has more than something to work with because of the prowess he posses that IMO is better than Bynum by a land slide. And LMA is definitely the second coming of a Prime Rasheed Wallace for Portland. With the guys we already have on this team and how they played against the Lakers in the 2nd round... You have to be a hater not to think Oden / LMA combo doesn't put the Rox over the top to win it all.

Did you just call LMA a prime Sheed and Oden = Bynum (actually that's funny because Oden has proven less than Bynum, who he himself hasn't proven much of anything either! )?

Is this where I call Yao the second coming of Kareem?

I don't know what series you were watching but there are plenty of times LMA was just plain unstoppable vs a Scola, Yao, Landry or anything we had couldn't guard him in the post or stop from making outside jumpers. Plus every chance he got he jammed it home in the Rocket's face. Oden is better than even Bynum but riddled with injuries IMO. He got the timing to block shots and had a couple of spin moves for some hard dunks you don't see Bynum do very well or with as much ferocity. So what if he got in foul trouble early, so does Bynum against Yao, and this is Oden's first season and playoff series and it looks like he gonna be alright and have a way bigger upside than Bynum. I think Oden is a better more powerful post player than Bynum because of the glimpses I saw.

You seriously think trading Yao for LMA + Oden "puts the Rox over the top to win it all"? I mean, really? Oden isn't even a legit starting C right now! That's just a ridiculous statement all around.

And I don't really equate PFs chucking up 18 ft'ers all day unstoppable. Yeah he could take Scola in the post (news flash: Scola isn't known for his defense) or shoot 18 ft'ers over Yao on a switch or whatever but 18 ft'ers doesn't put any pressure on a defense, it's like the worst shot in basketball more or less.

And how can you question what series I watched when you think Oden is a better post player than Bynum. Don't get me wrong I think Bynum is beyond overrated, but Oden is so raw in the post he loses the ball just trying to back people down. I mean Bynum and Oden actually are quite different players as Bynum has much more offensive potential whereas Oden has defensive potential. Oden's ceiling is probably Mutombo-esque (who was a great player in his prime), but he's never going to be some offensive juggernaut.

The only player I want from POR is BRoy, he's the real deal.