Ideas for the future!

[Celtics>Breathing]

Why don't we just keep our core together for the next 5-10 years. Ray's production will be probably the same when he's 40. Even though Paul looked 45 in this years playoffs he'll probably go on some vegan diet, and take up yoga so he'll be good till at least 38. KG is KG. Maybe we should trade him. YEAH that makes all the friggin sense. Trade KG. YEAH trade KG. That's the ticket. If we max out Rondo too then he'll probably be more motivated to work on his shot, and maybe just maybe he'll shoot 70% from the free throw line in a few years. Hopefully Miki Moore will sign the MLE. That will shore up our frontcourt, but just in case it doesn't I'm sure PJ Brown will come up from LA and help us out. Hey what is Reggie Miller up to these days.......................

[ddb]

I just wasted 20 seconds of my life reading that and now another minute responding to how NOT FUNNY you are. So what do you suggest? Trade Rondo and Ray? Two perfectly good and healthy players who just so happen to be in the top 10% tile respectively for their position? Yeah, that sounds like a freakin great idea.
Barbosa is a 6th man and Amare has had more knee surgeries then Bobby Orr. O wait, did you mean you wanted to trade Ray Allen or Rondo to Memphis for the 2nd pick? Yeah, because Thabeet is such a slam dunk prospect. He's got a greater chance of being a complete bust then becoming the next Dikembe. Wait, Rubio? Is that who you want? Brendan Jennings WORKED Rubio overseas this year. He doesn't play Defense and he's 19 years old. He'll be GREAT with KG and Pierce.

People need to just stop. Our best option is to keep Rondo and Ray Allen. And Pierce AND KG

[Celtics>Breathing]

I just wasted 20 seconds of my life reading that and now another minute responding to how NOT FUNNY you are. So what do you suggest? Trade Rondo and Ray? Two perfectly good and healthy players who just so happen to be in the top 10% tile respectively for their position? Yeah, that sounds like a freakin great idea.
Barbosa is a 6th man and Amare has had more knee surgeries then Bobby Orr. O wait, did you mean you wanted to trade Ray Allen or Rondo to Memphis for the 2nd pick? Yeah, because Thabeet is such a slam dunk prospect. He's got a greater chance of being a complete bust then becoming the next Dikembe. Wait, Rubio? Is that who you want? Brendan Jennings WORKED Rubio overseas this year. He doesn't play Defense and he's 19 years old. He'll be GREAT with KG and Pierce.

People need to just stop. Our best option is to keep Rondo and Ray Allen. And Pierce AND KG

ddb,

For how long??? When do you try to do something? Oh yeah when it's to god damn late!!! I don't know exactly what we should do. I trust Danny. It's fun trying to figure out what he might do. But don't tell me nothing should be done. I don't think he's gonna be sitting on his ass and let what happened 20 years ago happen again. Danny's not worried about keeping individual players happy cause he likes them or because he's attached to them. He's worried about keeping this franchise going for years to come. TRUST IN DANNY!!

[Bad-Thoma]

Why don't we just keep our core together for the next 5-10 years. Ray's production will be probably the same when he's 40. Even though Paul looked 45 in this years playoffs he'll probably go on some vegan diet, and take up yoga so he'll be good till at least 38. KG is KG. Maybe we should trade him. YEAH that makes all the friggin sense. Trade KG. YEAH trade KG. That's the ticket. If we max out Rondo too then he'll probably be more motivated to work on his shot, and maybe just maybe he'll shoot 70% from the free throw line in a few years. Hopefully Miki Moore will sign the MLE. That will shore up our frontcourt, but just in case it doesn't I'm sure PJ Brown will come up from LA and help us out. Hey what is Reggie Miller up to these days.......................

[mwhis21]

20 years ago is not a good comparison to what we are going through right now...I will give you three examples, but you can argue for a lot more.

1. Len Bias/Reggie Lewis: One can easily argue that these two were going to be perenial all-stars before they passed away. This would have made the transition from Bird-McHale-Parish a lot easier than it was. We maybe talking Banner 21-22 right now if this were the case.

2. Ownership: The current Celtics ownership has shown a willingess to spend to get the job done. Not on washed up free agents: Dominiqu Wilkins, but by trading for Top level talent, KG. Not to mention Boston is gaining a reputation as a place players want to come to, unlike the 90's early 2000's.

3. Economy: If we could transplant the economy of 05 to right now economically challenged teams would not be in a position to have to trade players or sell picks just to stay afloat. Fortunately the Celtics have an abbundence of resources to shape this team in the present and in the future.


With that said, I will remain indifferent on the topic. The Celtics are in a luxury position have a bright, young PG (Rondo), a huge expiring contract (Ray), and KG and PP to build around. This post is stupid in its tone, but merits consideration on its base. We should be happy to be in such a great position. If we keep Ray we will be a damn good team next year, hunting for 18. If we trade Ray or Rondo or both, we are still going to be a damn good team and could be set-up for the future depending on the nature of the trade.

[Celtics>Breathing]

Why don't we just keep our core together for the next 5-10 years. Ray's production will be probably the same when he's 40. Even though Paul looked 45 in this years playoffs he'll probably go on some vegan diet, and take up yoga so he'll be good till at least 38. KG is KG. Maybe we should trade him. YEAH that makes all the friggin sense. Trade KG. YEAH trade KG. That's the ticket. If we max out Rondo too then he'll probably be more motivated to work on his shot, and maybe just maybe he'll shoot 70% from the free throw line in a few years. Hopefully Miki Moore will sign the MLE. That will shore up our frontcourt, but just in case it doesn't I'm sure PJ Brown will come up from LA and help us out. Hey what is Reggie Miller up to these days.......................

What the **** is the point of this thread?

The point of this thread is for folks to come up with some real good reasons to keep our current roster intake and not make any major moves. Just keep signing retreads for the LLE or split up the MLE to do so. How long do you think you can do that before it comes back and bites us in the ass. Then before you know it we have a buch of old former all-star players making a lot of money that nobody wants. I don't know how long some of you have been Celtics fans, but that has happened before. I would like to avoid that all together.

[Celtics>Breathing]

20 years ago is not a good comparison to what we are going through right now...I will give you three examples, but you can argue for a lot more.

1. Len Bias/Reggie Lewis: One can easily argue that these two were going to be perenial all-stars before they passed away. This would have made the transition from Bird-McHale-Parish a lot easier than it was. We maybe talking Banner 21-22 right now if this were the case.

2. Ownership: The current Celtics ownership has shown a willingess to spend to get the job done. Not on washed up free agents: Dominiqu Wilkins, but by trading for Top level talent, KG. Not to mention Boston is gaining a reputation as a place players want to come to, unlike the 90's early 2000's.

3. Economy: If we could transplant the economy of 05 to right now economically challenged teams would not be in a position to have to trade players or sell picks just to stay afloat. Fortunately the Celtics have an abbundence of resources to shape this team in the present and in the future.


With that said, I will remain indifferent on the topic. The Celtics are in a luxury position have a bright, young PG (Rondo), a huge expiring contract (Ray), and KG and PP to build around. This post is stupid in its tone, but merits consideration on its base. We should be happy to be in such a great position. If we keep Ray we will be a damn good team next year, hunting for 18. If we trade Ray or Rondo or both, we are still going to be a damn good team and could be set-up for the future depending on the nature of the trade.

The Len Bias argument is a valid one. But it's unfortunate that we're never going to know if Len was going to be a consistent all-star player. There were a lot of bust's in those days. Not enough investigation going on. You know like if you're draft pick does cocaine or not. Maybe Len doesn't pass away that night but has a less then stellar career because of drug addiction. Lot's of what if's there.

The Reggie Lewis years were never going to amount to anything. Again without getting into it who knows.

Bird, McHale, and Parrish should have been broken up. Ainge has gone on record saying so. How can this point be argued?

[Bad-Thoma]

The point of this thread is for folks to come up with some real good reasons to keep our current roster intake and not make any major moves. Just keep signing retreads for the LLE or split up the MLE to do so. How long do you think you can do that before it comes back and bites us in the ass. Then before you know it we have a buch of old former all-star players making a lot of money that nobody wants. I don't know how long some of you have been Celtics fans, but that has happened before. I would like to avoid that all together.

Ahh, I thought it was just to be a sarcastic asshat because people haven't warmed to your trade ideas.

Ignoring the sarcasm of your original post if Danny keeps the roster together and just uses the MLE to add some vets to fill the holes it's because he thinks this team has another title run as constituted. I tend to lean towards this view, Ray/Ray's contract is a great asset but in the next few years we are also looking at huge expirings in Paul Pierce and KG's contracts, this isn't our only shot to get younger, DA has it set up pretty well. This year looks much better is terms of veteran free agents than last year, unless a great deal comes along trade wise I would see no reason to pull the trigger on anything. Healthy we have a great shot next year, no need to make major changes, just try to improve on some of the depth issues through experienced players instead of draft projects.

[BRUNiNHO91]

We all want to win NEXT SEASON. And our best way to win NEXT SEASON, is to keep the roster as it is. We still have 2-3 good years of Ray, PP and KG left...why trade one of the guys now, just for the sake of trading?? Everybody here wants to improve the team for the future...but trading for a Vince Carter won't do that..so chill man. If the right move is there Danny will do it. No need to get all worked up like this..

[mwhis21]

There are plenty of ways to argue this statement. Danny is speaking in hindsight.

You mean to tell me a healty Bird and Mchale couldn't have won a couple of more titles? Its not like in 87/88 these guys were washed up. A rash of injuries derailed this dynasty. Couple this with legendary coach KC Jones retiring and Brian Shaw going to Europe for that one year the Celtics easily could have 1 to 2 more titles.

I am not disagreeing with you...if you are going to blow it up to set yourself up for the future then now is the time to do it, but you don't HAVE to based on events that happen 20 years ago. Like I said, the Celtics are in a luxury position. You don't have to belittle everyone to agree with your idea, just rationalize it.

[Celtics>Breathing]

The point of this thread is for folks to come up with some real good reasons to keep our current roster intake and not make any major moves. Just keep signing retreads for the LLE or split up the MLE to do so. How long do you think you can do that before it comes back and bites us in the ass. Then before you know it we have a buch of old former all-star players making a lot of money that nobody wants. I don't know how long some of you have been Celtics fans, but that has happened before. I would like to avoid that all together.

Ahh, I thought it was just to be a sarcastic asshat because people haven't warmed to your trade ideas.

Ignoring the sarcasm of your original post if Danny keeps the roster together and just uses the MLE to add some vets to fill the holes it's because he thinks this team has another title run as constituted. I tend to lean towards this view, Ray/Ray's contract is a great asset but in the next few years we are also looking at huge expirings in Paul Pierce and KG's contracts, this isn't our only shot to get younger, DA has it set up pretty well. This year looks much better is terms of veteran free agents than last year, unless a great deal comes along trade wise I would see no reason to pull the trigger on anything. Healthy we have a great shot next year, no need to make major changes, just try to improve on some of the depth issues through experienced players instead of draft projects.

So just stand pat and hope everyone of our 30 year olds is healthy for the entire season. We only get one chance to use Ray's contract as a huge bargaining chip.

I do however understand what your saying. Trust Danny I think is how I took it. I'm OK with that.

[Celts17Pride]

The Celtics are winning. I hope Danny Ainge breaks this team up before they go and win another championship on his watch. He is running out of time the season starts in about 5 months

[Celtics>Breathing]

There are plenty of ways to argue this statement. Danny is speaking in hindsight.

You mean to tell me a healty Bird and Mchale couldn't have won a couple of more titles? Its not like in 87/88 these guys were washed up. A rash of injuries derailed this dynasty. Couple this with legendary coach KC Jones retiring and Brian Shaw going to Europe for that one year the Celtics easily could have 1 to 2 more titles.

I am not disagreeing with you...if you are going to blow it up to set yourself up for the future then now is the time to do it, but you don't HAVE to based on events that happen 20 years ago. Like I said, the Celtics are in a luxury position. You don't have to belittle everyone to agree with your idea, just rationalize it.

I don't think that we would be "Blowing anything up". When you talk about Bird and McHale's injuries I think that is funny considering what just happened to KG. I think your making my point for me. I'M NOT SAYING TO TRADE KG! Injuries are a part of the game. They just start to happen more frequently when you get older. That is what our 3 best and most valuable players are, old. If we can use one of them to retool this thing and keep it going for 4-5 years then lets do it. I say everyone on this team is expendable including god damn Paul Pierce except KG. When this time next year comes around I'm going to be saying the same things about PP.

[mwhis21]

What about our two early 20's players? To expect Rondo and Perkins to not get better would be irresponsible. We should have been in the ECF without KG last year.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
Perk

is still the best starting 5 in the league. Our starters weren't the problem last year, our bench and lack of depth were.

Again, if you can flip Ray or Ray/Rondo for a bona fide superstar you do it IMO, but for a draft pick? You said it yourself earlier, to much risk involved in that.

[Bad-Thoma]

So just stand pat and hope everyone of our 30 year olds is healthy for the entire season. We only get one chance to use Ray's contract as a huge bargaining chip.

I do however understand what your saying. Trust Danny I think is how I took it. I'm OK with that.

Uh, no. That is not what I am saying, though I do have faith in DA. I'm saying he should shore up the bench with veteran free agents and keep a back to back 60+win team together. I'm saying Ray is a valuable chip but he has value as a core member of this team as well, and he won't be the only valuable chip in the near future. As for hoping our 30 year olds stay healthy, most of the names I've heard people throwing out there (amare, wade, VC) have their own injury histories. Pierce, Ray, and KG have been durable players their whole careers where these guys have been injured young. Plus most of the trade rumors are just straight pipe dreams and should be treated as such until there is some evidence to support them.

If Danny stands pat I'll be disturbed, but trading core members of a title contender isn't the answer, IMO. Add to these guys instead, get some depth to help keep minutes down and players healthy. If a deal you can't refuse comes along so be it, but recognize how good this team is as it stands and don't make panic moves that disrupt the chemistry of the team.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I'm almost positive that that the OP is Jerry Krause.

Remember when Krause wanted to start rebuilding the Bulls, starting in 1997? He didn't want to be like the 1980s Celtics, who got old and took years to rebuild. As a matter of fact, Rick Pitino had offered the 3rd and 6th picks in exchange for Scottie Pippen. All Krause had to do was say yes. Unfortunately, that pesky owner, Jerry Reinsdorf, stepped in and stopped the trade, all because some guy named Michael Jordan had threatened to retire if the trade went through.

Well, those same Chicago Bulls took forever to build. Krause was right. It took the Bulls years to recover. And all they had to show for it was just another lousy championship in 1998.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather start rebuilding now as opposed to winning a championship next season. What's so great about another championship? Another banner? Big deal. We have 17 of those. Maybe another parade? Well, I'm not sure the city would be willing to foot the bill for that, seeing as how the recession has hit hard these days. It just doesn't make economic sense for Boston to throw yet, another expensive parade. Look at how much they've spent for the Patriots and Red Sox over the past few years.

For the economy's sake, screw another championship. Let's rebuild now!!!

[Marley2Hendrix]

^^^^

+1` CeltsfanSinceBirth

We could just follow course with Perkins/Rondo, try and buy late teens/20s picks, try and re-up ray at a reasonable deal, and get one MLE player and we're cruising. I've seen Sean Williams, CDR, level name drops... believe it or not, Ainge has an eye for talent, and if he prefers Giddens and Walker over them, so be it. Hell, if Walker stayed in the NCAAs and was as healthy as he was this year, we might have people talking about how we need to ship ray off to acquire the 4th or 5th pick to get this kid and shove paul over to the 2.

If a trade that is worth making surfaces, danny will take it, but those moves aren't that likely, and refusing to take all the crap deals out there does not mean that one wants to sink with this ship (a very talented ship this is btw)

Ainge wouldn't have surreptitiously acquired Allen had he not had the KG deal in place...

The deals so far are all rather incomplete, Ray for Vince is a nono as Vince isn't much younger and his game just won't age, Ray/Rondo for Barbosa/Amare is better, but is barbosa a starter, will perk deal with coming off the bench, or do we ship him for the 2, and roll with Kidd/Hardin/Pierce/KG/Amare 6th Barbosa and completely destroy a championship caliber squad?? I think ainge is only going for slam dunks, and unless Chris Wallace gets drunk again, those don't occur to often anymore

[Celtics>Breathing]

I'm almost positive that that the OP is Jerry Krause.

Remember when Krause wanted to start rebuilding the Bulls, starting in 1997? He didn't want to be like the 1980s Celtics, who got old and took years to rebuild. As a matter of fact, Rick Pitino had offered the 3rd and 6th picks in exchange for Scottie Pippen. All Krause had to do was say yes. Unfortunately, that pesky owner, Jerry Reinsdorf, stepped in and stopped the trade, all because some guy named Michael Jordan had threatened to retire if the trade went through.

Well, those same Chicago Bulls took forever to build. Krause was right. It took the Bulls years to recover. And all they had to show for it was just another lousy championship in 1998.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather start rebuilding now as opposed to winning a championship next season. What's so great about another championship? Another banner? Big deal. We have 17 of those. Maybe another parade? Well, I'm not sure the city would be willing to foot the bill for that, seeing as how the recession has hit hard these days. It just doesn't make economic sense for Boston to throw yet, another expensive parade. Look at how much they've spent for the Patriots and Red Sox over the past few years.

For the economy's sake, screw another championship. Let's rebuild now!!!

Why would we not be competing for a championship next year if we trade Ray?? We'd have PP, KG, Perk. It's called retooling while still have STRONG aspirations for more championships for many years not just ONE!! We only have one shot at trading Ray and his contract. Hemingway suggests waiting till the trade deadline. I think that wouldn't be the way to go. Sign Ray for how much next year to just try and do what you could do now while everyone else is getting in position for 2010?

[Marley2Hendrix]

Because ray is mr. clutch, I like the inclusion of Perk up there, I love the big fella, but he's no ray.

Calm yourself brother man, we could stand pat, win the title this year with our roster now plus internal developments of Rondo/Perk/Walker/Giddens and an MLE signing, re-up Ray at reasonable money, and then we could litter the board with thousands of Expiring Paul Pierce trades and how we must not let 2010 championship roster stagnate. If not for loyalty, out of Paul and Ray I'd much rather keep the latter longterm

[mwhis21]

Your trying to sell me on something I am already sold on. As you may or may not have read previously I am indifferent on the subject because I think we happen to be in a luxury position. No matter what we do we should be competitive for a long time.

What do you propose we do then? Please don't say Amare, Wade or Carter because that will kill your argument as neither of them are a fixture of health in their 20's. At least our guys have shown a remarkable ability to stay on the court in their careers.