MJ strikes again? (Terrance Williams to Charlotte signs)

[vincecarter4pres]

May at 13? Better than the busts we were going to select (Wright, Green, Graham = all busts, worse than May.) Granger? Lots of teams passed him, not just the Bobcats, and he had supposed knee issues, and was also a college star.

Are you serious? All of those guys have had about as good if not better showings than May in this league. It took this guy three seasons just to play 82 games and his most recent season resulted in an average of four points. You can't say that was a good pick.

I bet you any of Green, Graham or Wright could have had better showings on the Bobcats this past year.

This past year, obviously, because May was hurt/fat and in LB's doghouse. May has better talent than all 3 of them, thats not even a question. Green has been out of the league and back in, Wright has been on multiple teams, and Graham is only sticking in Toronto because the Raptors SG/SF rotation is one of the worst athletic groups in the league. All three are extremely mediocre wing players who probably should only be used in the 10th man spot. May? Probably deserves that spot as well but his issue isn't talent. When he has suited up and gotten minutes for the Bobcats, he can drop 18/8 and make an impact on the game. I have never, ever heard of Graham, Green, or Wright make an impact on the game.

Some people just won't admit when they're wrong.
If I was you, I would want the 14 minutes of my life back I wasted in this thread posting in defense of Sean May.

[amcoolio]

I'm not defending him, his time with the Bobcats is over and he won't be on the roster next season.

I'm defending the Bobcats for people saying it was a terrible pick. Like we reached or something for May, when we obviously didn't and it turned out he was just as busty as the SG's we were looking at sub Granger, whom everybody passed.

[vincecarter4pres]

Like we reached or something for May, when we obviously didn't and it turned out he was just as busty as the strippers we were looking at the post draft party, whom everybody passed.

Fixed.

[Cammo101]

There is a lot of Bobcat revisionist history going on here. May was a reach at #13, most sites and teams rated him much lower than that.

Also, all these SGs who Bobcats fans are calling busts have been substantially better players than Sean May.

[Paydro70]

I guess it depends on what you call a reach? As I recall he was slated as late lotto/mid first for the most part. Ford, for instance, had him going 16 to the Raptors in his last mock.

Looking around now for post-draft commentary, what I mostly find is stuff like "it's unclear how May will fit alongside Emeka Okafor, Primoz Brezec and Melvin Ely on the front line," (Ford) or "a proven winner even if he plays the same position as Emeka Okafor" (SI.com), or "The #13 pick is somewhat baffling considering that they will have to play Emeka Okafor large minutes at the center (and go with an extremely undersized frontcourt) in order to really clear enough room to justify using a lottery pick on Sean May" (DraftExpress).

Actually, the Felton pick seems to get more criticism for being a reach than May.

As for Wright/Green/Graham, using PER as a quick shorthand makes clear what Coolio is saying. May was a 15 PER player as a rookie and 19 as a sophomore. Gerald Green never topped 13.1, Graham 12.8, Wright 8.6. May could play, he just was too fat and injured to actually do it. That makes him a bust, and a horrible pick, but so are the other 3.

[vincecarter4pres]

Any statistics such as PER are completely useless when talking about a player like May.
He's played a whopping total of 82 games over a 3 season career in 4 seasons, starting 17 and averaging a mind blowing 18.7mpg.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of Nets fan's, myself included wanted him, but you guys took him 1st.
Alas this was when I was younger, dumber and in denial and at the same time even us Nets fans knew he was a huge risk with his weight problem(pun not entirely intended), thought he was somewhat of a reach even if he was available at our pick and we had an awesome team, so he wasn't going to be a big part of our success, just a complementary role player, so it wasn't as big a deal for us.

[lemondrop]

Dr Mufasa relys entirely on mock drafts to base his opinion, drafting Williams 12th is by no means a stretch. He is also rumored to be having a shot at #7 with GS and apperently the Nets like him at 11 as well.

T Will latest twitter

Taking off to Charlotte pray for your boy thanks an god bless
23 minutes ago from Tweetie

[amcoolio]

May just came off a NCAA championship where he played 37 games and averaged a double double. Weight issues weren't the problem back in 2005; it was if his skills and size would translate in the NBA. No one criticized Charlotte when taking him because "oh he is so overweight he will always be injured". So don't bring that up, that happened after the fact.

PER can't be thown out the window when one talent (May) is better than all three combined (Wright, Green, Graham). The simple fact is, if we selected one of the trio of 12th man sub-par SG's, Charlotte would be blamed for "reaching". Why aren't NJ and TOR being blamed for taking Wright and Graham over Granger? You can't blame Charlotte for not taking Granger and then let NJ and TOR off the hook when they are the ones who selected SG's with the same build whereas Charlotte took size.

[Jonathan Watters]

Sean May was definitely a better pick than the other 3 mentioned. He was on his way to becoming a very good NBA 4-man before injuries destroyed his career.

The other three have remained relatively healthy and aren't even remotely productive NBA Players. It is highly unlikely that any of them will be in the league in two years.

If Sean May hadn't gotten hurt, he'd be starting for the Bobcats right now.

[CatNation]

are there actually any signs that New Jersey wants him outside the guys on this forum that dont know anything.

looks to me like he is Charlotte bound. MJ will make him tell NJ to **** off in exchange for some rare kicks

[vincecarter4pres]

May just came off a NCAA championship where he played 37 games and averaged a double double. Weight issues weren't the problem back in 2005.

Right.

No one criticized Charlotte when taking him because "oh he is so overweight he will always be injured". So don't bring that up, that happened after the fact.

You're right, it was more like, "Oh he is so overweight he will always be gasping and running out of breath, getting worn down by the early 3rd quarter. He looks like he ate Oliver Miller and had Robert Traylor for desert.".

PER can't be thown out the window when one talent (May) is better than all three combined (Wright, Green, Graham).

He has played a full season of games in 4 seasons. He averaged less then 19 minutes a game which typically skews PER to begin with. It's not being thrown out in comparison to the 3 scrubs, it's being thrown out because it is misleading and close to useless in this instance in relation to May's ability and play because he was playing like 4, 4 minute bursts for most of those games.

The simple fact is, if we selected one of the trio of 12th man sub-par SG's, Charlotte would be blamed for "reaching".

Not really, well unless Charlotte took Graham. Wright and Green wouldn't have been considered true reaches, but just busts. Although Charlotte would still take heat for selecting any of those over Danny Granger.

Why aren't NJ and TOR being blamed for taking Wright and Graham over Granger?

You really have no idea of what you are talking about. Both NJ and Toronto have been repeatedly and thoroughly flamed over the years for passing on Granger and Toronto was pretty much immediately and heavily criticized for taking Graham in general, let alone ahead of Granger.

You can't blame Charlotte for not taking Granger and then let NJ and TOR off the hook when they are the ones who selected SG's with the same build whereas Charlotte took size.

Again nobody is letting them off the hook. Especially NJ. God knows that leaving Granger for Wright still gets randomly brought up on at least a monthly basis on the NJ board by one of us in passing.

[Jonathan Watters]

He averaged less then 19 minutes a game which typically skews PER to begin with.

Where did you get the idea that PER can be skewed in 19 mpg? Pretty much every bit of research/discussion on the topic of bench player PER has ended with the conclusion that a players' PER stays the same when becoming a starter. And this means that their PER is actually going up, given that they are now playing against better competition.

[Dr Positivity]

Dr Mufasa relys entirely on mock drafts to base his opinion, drafting Williams 12th is by no means a stretch. He is also rumored to be having a shot at #7 with GS and apperently the Nets like him at 11 as well.

T Will latest twitter

Taking off to Charlotte pray for your boy thanks an god bless
23 minutes ago from Tweetie

I won't bother to defend myself against you, but my personal list is not afraid to stray from mocks and the apparent GM consensus. For example I have Jennings and Clark as potential all-stars and the 5th and and 6th best prospects in this draft respectively, I wouldn't take Tyler Hansbrough in the 1st round, and I think Rubio and Harden are as good as prospects as Griffin. I also criticized the Jordan Hill going top 3 hype as much as anyone two months back, though him measuring out big enough to play as a small banging C like Horford/Nene made me a lot more confident than him as a starter in the NBA than if he was a strict PF where I didn't think he'd have the mobility or offensive ability to be a starter unless he played with a scoring C like Bargnani/Okur

Not that it would matter if I or anyone did agree with the "consensus" order though. Sometimes the right moves are obvious for teams, obvious enough that teams overthink it and screw it up

[Paydro70]

Again, Gerald Henderson is the "obvious" pick? The Bobcats would have to "overthink" to draft Williams, a guy getting consideration ahead of #12?

Vincecarter, I don't disagree with your point about everyone getting insulted for passing on Granger (his slide was surprising at the time), but since this thread was created to bash the Bobcats, I think it's only natural that it be pointed out that many players made the same mistakes. Considering the other players taken around #5 and #13 were lackluster as well, the picks seem even more defensible in retrospect.

You're kidding yourself about May in comparison to those 3 guys. One player at least did well in limited minutes, the other three never managed even average play no matter how many minutes they got. Your only real argument is that he didn't play much... which is exactly the point. He is a bust due to injury, not because of his level of play.

Also, go back and look at post-draft commentary on May. His weight issues and injuries are not a concern, the major criticisms were that he was too short, too unathletic, or (as I've already pointed out) played the same position as Okafor.

[Wasp]

When I look at T-Will, I see a rich-man's Dahntay Jones. Is a guy like Jones good to have on your team? Absolutely. Jones, however, was drafted 20th overall and that is where guys of that skillset (poor shooting defensive/rebounding specialist SGs) should be drafted. Not at #11/12.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm thinking Wilson Chandler might not be a bad comparison for Terrence Williams.

[vincecarter4pres]

When I look at T-Will, I see a rich-man's Dahntay Jones. Is a guy like Jones good to have on your team? Absolutely. Jones, however, was drafted 20th overall and that is where guys of that skillset (poor shooting defensive/rebounding specialist SGs) should be drafted. Not at #11/12.

But dude, a rich man's Dahntay Jones is Trevor Ariza, James Posey, Mickael Pietrus or Courtney Lee and I think a lot of teams would be very happy with one of those guys at the 11th or 12th pick.

[CatNation]

Up ready for the gym Hopefully by the end of the day I'm a bobcat Well see what happens but I'm most def Ready
about 8 hours ago from Tweetie

am i reading this wrong or is T-Will saying he wants to be a bobcat? im confused

[Malinhion]

If I was you I'd be more worried about what you guys are doing with the #9. I mean, James Johnson is a nice player, but at #9??

No need to. BC drafts pretty well. Much better than Charlotte Bobcats GM's

When have the Bobcats ever reached for anyone? There has been nothing wrong with the way our front office has drafted.

Okafor was a great pick.
Felton and May were both great picks.
Ammo was a great pick.
DJ was a great pick.

:lol: Not quite.

May wasn't great but you really had nowhere else to go with that. Ammo was a terrible pickup. You guys burned a high lottery pick on the worst player in NBA history. Everyone knew he would bust.

EDIT: Wow, I can't believe you defended that for two pages.

[Malinhion]

Also, go back and look at post-draft commentary on May. His weight issues and injuries are not a concern, the major criticisms were that he was too short, too unathletic, or (as I've already pointed out) played the same position as Okafor.

Right, because being short and unathletic is nothing like being fat.

Euphemisms.