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Scoring PG's vs. True PG's 

Post#1 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:07 am

I think most of us are at least famiiar with the idea that there are basically 2 kinds of PG's those that are primarily scorers and those that are primarily distributors.

Which of the point guards available in this draft should be labeled scorers and which would be distributors?

Which kind would you rather have?

My 2 cents on this is that I think we should take the best true distributor available even if he isn't necessarily the best player available or the closest to being fully NBA ready. I think there's usually something missing when you take a guy that is basically a SG with above average handles rather than a guy that is truly a distributor.
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Re: Scoring PG's vs. True PG's 

Post#2 » by KM44 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:14 am

As long as Martin is on our team, we need a true point guard. Conflicting talents in the backcourt would not help the team.

I.E. Bibby and christie. That wouldn't have worked if we had a scoring 2.
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Post#3 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:45 am

KM44 wrote:As long as Martin is on our team, we need a true point guard. Conflicting talents in the backcourt would not help the team.

I.E. Bibby and christie. That wouldn't have worked if we had a scoring 2.


I disagree. I think Martin has significantly improved his ball handling and look forward to seeing his hard work this summer pay off into further improvement next year. I still contend with Spencer and Jason in the frontcourt we are better equipped than most to handle any type of PG. Sure having one that can make plays would be great but those 10 apg on a solid ratio PG's are pretty rare and I don't know if we'd be getting the best out of our other talent if we had a ball dominating guard.
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Re: Scoring PG's vs. True PG's 

Post#4 » by ICMTM » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:38 pm

We are a better team when the PG scores the rock. PG's here don't average a lot of assists, which is an indication we don't run the offense through the PG like other clubs do. When Beno scores 15-20 a game we are a good team. The problem is asking Beno to give you 15-20 a night is an adventure. He can't do it against the better clubs in the league.
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Post#5 » by cdt3 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:51 pm

Actually the Bibby/Christie thing worked because of Peja. Our system basically needs 2 of your 3 guys at 1-2-3 to score. Right now Noc is pretty much a lite scorer so we need more scoring out of the PG. Beno is an average PG but we need an above average PG with Noc or Garcia at the 3.
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Post#6 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:22 pm

Bibby always seemed to me to be more of a scorer than a distributor, I don't think this team has had a true distributing PG since the Maloofs have been here, maybe J-Will but he'd be the only one.
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Re: Scoring PG's vs. True PG's 

Post#7 » by pillwenney » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:42 pm

I'm personally fine with either. I think the talent base we have is flexible enough to handle either. I will say this though--Spencer is the only player from our young core that looks like he could have a really strong ability to make plays for others--at leas with the consistency you need from a main option in this regard. So I think that assuming the PF, C, and SG positions stay as they are for the near future, we need another strong playmaker at SF or PG. You'll find those more often at PG.
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Post#8 » by cdt3 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:05 pm

JT/Hawes both need to improve as constistent passers. They looked like they were working more on just scoring than working on passing and staying in the offense because Natt was not a fit with the offense last year. They will improve in time and Westphal will help them a bunch. I expect more unselfish play next year and that will help us as a team. We really need about 7 assists a game from our PG since we usually have everyone involved in the passing.
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Post#9 » by OGSactownballer » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:17 pm

I'm kind of indifferent as long as we look to go BIG at the PG position. Honestly super speedy (a la CP3) is very hard to find in a point wheras a big point can handle and force those little guards to tire themselves out by working them in the paint (like Deron Williams).
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Post#10 » by Smills91 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:07 pm

ICMTM wrote:We are a better team when the PG scores the rock. PG's here don't average a lot of assists, which is an indication we don't run the offense through the PG like other clubs do. When Beno scores 15-20 a game we are a good team. The problem is asking Beno to give you 15-20 a night is an adventure. He can't do it against the better clubs in the league.


BAM! Spot on! Couldn't agree more. I REALLY like Tyreke Evans. I'd be fine with Flynn, Curry. rubio just has the intrigue and DOES seem to fit well even without the scoring. If we landed any of those 4 I'd be happy. I'm not into Holiday, or Jennings, really. It sounds like my top 4 ARE who the Kings are mulling over, and I like PG's with SIZE as they're less common and give you added flexibility and create mismatches.
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Post#11 » by darkadun » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:15 pm

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer really, it all boils down to the structure of the team, and the role that player will play with the team.

For instance, the role bibby played with the old kings team worked well because that team played great as a unit. With bibby, his role was to score, and was a important part of the outside shooting of the team, along with Peja. (I still think Christie was actually a better playmaker and passer than bibby, but bibby made plays for his teams as well) But, when Bibby shot the ball great, the kings were hard to beat.
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Post#12 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:44 pm

I think the key here is we have a new coach and probably at least a partially new system.

I hope to see a distributor at the point, but that doesn't mean he can't score. Pass first does not mean shoot never. That said, I like all the points possibly aviable to us, with the exception of Stephen Curry.
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Re: Scoring PG's vs. True PG's 

Post#13 » by Bac2Basics » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:04 am

Lightning Strike wrote:I think the key here is we have a new coach and probably at least a partially new system.

I hope to see a distributor at the point, but that doesn't mean he can't score. Pass first does not mean shoot never. That said, I like all the points possibly aviable to us, with the exception of Stephen Curry.


I think that's by and large what I believe as well.

I'd much rather see a guy that does more like 15/9 than I would a guy that does 20/5
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