Mike Miller for Kaman was on the table.

illastrate · Post #1 » by **illastrate** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:04 pm

-According to an NBA source, super active Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn has offered Mike Miller to the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Chris Kaman. The Clippers shot down that trade, but countered with Marcus Camby.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Word-on-the-Street-June-22nd-3276

I'd take Miller and the #6 or maybe the #18, but not Miller alone for Kaman, we could do better.

EventHorizon · Post #2 » by **EventHorizon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:28 pm

Well Miller was an expiring and still is a solid player. Hopefully Marion could be offered for Kaman, it will be interesting to see what the Clips will say.

ClipperDomination · Post #3 » by **ClipperDomination** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:41 pm

I love Miller, swapping him for Kaman wouldn't be a horrible idea, but I think pieces needed to be added on both sides in order for a trade to work out.

illastrate · Post #4 » by **illastrate** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:58 pm

ClipperDomination wrote:I love Miller, swapping him for Kaman wouldn't be a horrible idea, but I think pieces needed to be added on both sides in order for a trade to work out.

I'm thinking we'd have to give back our Minny pick and they give up #6 pick.

Det the Threat · Post #5 » by **Det the Threat** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:20 pm

Miller + #18 for Kaman would be alright with me.

Though, the only way they'll trade for Kaman is if they use Love to trade up to #2 or something else. Having Kaman, Jefferson and Love wouldn't make that much sense for them, as there probably wouldn't be enough minutes to go around.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #6 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:15 pm

Something was physically wrong with Miller last year I think because he looked like garbage when I watched him play

Post #7 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:23 pm

I wouldn't want to trade Kaman straight up for Miller either. I'm looking at Miller's stats, his averages from last season were: 9.9 ppg, 4.5 asst, 6.6 rpg, 73% free throw shooting, 38% 3 point shooting, and 48% field goal percentage.

His scoring was down a little on a team that wasn't very good, in his last season in Memphis he average 16.4 ppg, so he very well could have been hurt or something last season.

daddyfivestar · Post #8 » by **daddyfivestar** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:08 pm

That's crazy. The Clips should do 18+Miller for Kaman in a heartbeat.

That would clear over 11 mil extra off the 2010-11 books, while adding a solid backup wing like Budinger or Young or Daye at 18.

With the payroll under 45 mil in summer 2010, even with the capholds added, there would be a great S&T opportunity out there since the Clips would have an expiring 17 mil Zach to dangle.

The only if in all of this would be that Jordan needs to be ready to be a starter after Camby expires. The Clips should have been all over that.

2010-11

Post #9 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:25 pm

^It said that the initial trade was just Miller for Kaman, no pick involved. But I think the Twolves should involve one of their 1st round picks.

jflipclip · Post #10 » by **jflipclip** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:04 am

I kinda like this trade. I don't know why Clippers would counter with Camby though. I'm confused.

Also I don't see why you're suggesting TWolves need to add to the trade. Seems fair enough to me, even though Miller is coming off a bad season (any Twolves fan like to add?).

scratch21 · Post #11 » by **scratch21** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:20 am

WOW this would be perfect why did they counter.. CLips are getting greedy now

Post #12 » by **mkwest** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:30 am

I like Miller, but more would be needed for me to be satisfied with a Kaman/Miller based swap.

The fact that it looks like the team is trying to move Camby as opposed to Kaman tells me that money/salary isn't the whole issue and I am kind of glad (Kaman is still most definitely tradeable though). While I really like having Camby's presence on this team and in the locker room, he's still going to be a 36 year old FA next summer. We would desperately need for DJ to be ready to play 30+ productive minutes night-in and night-out next season, and I am not sure if he'll be at that point by then.

jgustav1 · Post #13 » by **jgustav1** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:38 am

Miller's skills have appeared to decline a lot over the last year, I'd hold out for Miller and the #6 pick in a trade for Kaman. #6 is a little high perhaps, but this is a pretty poor draft outside of Blake Griffin. The Clippers might be able to pick up a guy like Tyreke Evans with pick #6.

jgustav1 · Post #14 » by **jgustav1** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:42 am

daddyfivestar wrote:That's crazy. The Clips should do 18+Miller for Kaman in a heartbeat.

That would clear over 11 mil extra off the 2010-11 books, while adding a solid backup wing like Budinger or Young or Daye at 18.

With the payroll under 45 mil in summer 2010, even with the capholds added, there would be a great S&T opportunity out there since the Clips would have an expiring 17 mil Zach to dangle.

The only if in all of this would be that Jordan needs to be ready to be a starter after Camby expires. The Clips should have been all over that.

2010-11

This is a very poor draft overall, #18 isn't going to get a solid wing player unless someone like Earl Clark drops there. James Johnson should be available, but I'd still much prefer Thornton to him.

kombayn · Post #15 » by **kombayn** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:21 am

jgustav1 wrote:Miller's skills have appeared to decline a lot over the last year, I'd hold out for Miller and the #6 pick in a trade for Kaman. #6 is a little high perhaps, but this is a pretty poor draft outside of Blake Griffin. The Clippers might be able to pick up a guy like Tyreke Evans with pick #6.

That would be a wet-dream honestly, I don't see it happening. I think Evans will be the steal of the draft, being the #2 player in this draft after Blake.

jgustav1 · Post #16 » by **jgustav1** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:46 pm

kombayn wrote:
jgustav1 wrote:Miller's skills have appeared to decline a lot over the last year, I'd hold out for Miller and the #6 pick in a trade for Kaman. #6 is a little high perhaps, but this is a pretty poor draft outside of Blake Griffin. The Clippers might be able to pick up a guy like Tyreke Evans with pick #6.

That would be a wet-dream honestly, I don't see it happening. I think Evans will be the steal of the draft, being the #2 player in this draft after Blake.

Maybe this is too one sided but including the future Minny pick with Kaman for #6 and Miller isn't a good idea since the future Minny pick has a fairly good chance to be higher than #6 overall after the protection runs out. If the Clippers were high on Evans and he was still available, I might consider including a lottery protected #1 from the Clippers with 4 years protection on it along with Kaman for #6 and Miller.

Biff Cooper · Post #17 » by **Biff Cooper** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:46 pm

jflipclip wrote:I kinda like this trade. I don't know why Clippers would counter with Camby though. I'm confused.

Also I don't see why you're suggesting TWolves need to add to the trade. Seems fair enough to me, even though Miller is coming off a bad season (any Twolves fan like to add?).

Mike Miller had a fairly solid year last year - just didn't shoot much. I believe he lead all NBA guards in rebounding, handled the ball quite a bit in the offense and therefore got quite a few assists. He wasn't exactly what MN fans were expecting him when they got him from Memphis. He seemed quite reluctant to shoot any shot that wasn't wide open. He still had a good season.

As a MN fan, I would be very reluctant to do Kaman for Miller straight up - because Kaman's contract would eat up a lot of our cap space for the next couple of years, he seems to be injury prone, and our best two players are already bigs. We could use a third big that is more of a prototype center, but it would seem to make more sense to find a cheaper option - unless we felt Kaman had all-star potential in the near future.

Det the Threat · Post #18 » by **Det the Threat** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:57 pm

jgustav1 wrote:
This is a very poor draft overall, #18 isn't going to get a solid wing player unless someone like Earl Clark drops there. James Johnson should be available, but I'd still much prefer Thornton to him.

A guy like Terrence Williams could be available at #18. And at the very least, Sam Young should be available at that spot.
I wouldn't mind adding someone like this, in a deal that nets us Miller for Kaman.
Though, i doubt that we'd use that pick on a sf then, cause Miller is still pretty solid and him and Thornton would be enough at the 3 spot. Therefore it'd probably make more sense to add something else(like a pg) at that position, if a deal like that would go down.

BTW: I don't really think that Earl Clark fits next to Gordon and Griffin. We need a guy at the sf spot(long term) that defends well and is able to hit tho open jumpshots, which are created by those two. Clark isn't that type of player as he needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

Post #19 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:32 pm

And the rumored Chris Kaman for Mike Miller trade? Sources in both L.A. and Minnesota shot it down quickly. It turns out that the Wolves did call the Clippers several months ago about the deal (before Kahn had the job), but the Clippers wanted a first-round pick from Minnesota as well ... something the Wolves balked at.

mg · Post #20 » by mg » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:11 pm

^^That makes more sense to me. Actually I don't see how Kaman would fit next to Love or Al Jeff. I could see a shot blocker like Thabeet fitting in but not Kaman.

I would be surprised if the Clips aren't willing to move Kaman (or ZBO or Davis) for an expiring contract at this point and build around Gordon and Griffen.