Adrian Wojnarowski: Ray/Rondo offered for Rip/Prince/Stuckey

Fencer reregistered · Post #1 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:06 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

Reads like sober, credible reporting.

Says Dumars turned it down fast.

cfan79 · Post #2 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:10 am

Whoa, that would have been great. I'm sure Dumars wouldn't want to deal them in the same conference. Plus if he's going to rebuild he'd probably want a high draft pick.

Avalanche · Post #3 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:12 am

I dont blame Dumars for saying no... plus they seem to be really high on stuckey

Hell, worth a try though IMO.. .Rip would work great here and teams can always use a guy like Tay

cfan79 · Post #4 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:13 am

Menage a trois, we should try to get Memphis involved. Maybe they would assist us.

jfs1000d · Post #5 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:13 am

Jesus,no wonder danny sent minions, he didn't want to get laughed at. That would solve every problem we have. Brilliant try,but Dumars is no chris wallace.

cfan79 · Post #6 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:15 am

Picture having Prince off the bench. Man that would make me happy. Its good to know that Danny is trying to get proven players.

Banks2Pierce · Post #7 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:27 am

I bet Stuckey was too much for them. Maybe take Amir or Maxiell instead? I don't know their contract situations. I'm not sure how much of the house Dumars wants to knock down to start the rebuilding effort.

Avalanche · Post #8 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:30 am

I pretty much gather that Rip/Prince is the main thing Danny was after, but if hes trading Rondo he really needs to get a capable point guard to replace him

unfortunately the only guy Detroit has that fits the bill is Stuckey, and they would value him far too highly (regardless whether they should or not) , I bet they were listening until his name was dropped

princeofpalace · Post #9 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:30 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:I bet Stuckey was too much for them. Maybe take Amir or Maxiell instead? I don't know their contract situations. I'm not sure how much of the house Dumars wants to knock down to start the rebuilding effort.

Detroit has zero incentive. Ray and Rip are on the same level. Prince & Stuckey has more value than Rondo. The Pistons would rather use their capspace then make any sorts of trades like this.

This would just be a trade for Rondo since they would be more likely to let Ray walk away for nothing, and Pistons don't really need Rajon Rondo. Thats why this trade was rejected. You don't trade 3 starters away like that for 1 guy that isn't a superstar and doesnt fill a position of need.

Avalanche · Post #10 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:33 am

Use their capspace on what though... Boozer, Gordon?

if you want that then fair enough, but getting rays huge expiring for the 2010 FA market is definitely SOME incentive, along with a great young point guard

still, as i said originally.. not surprised Detroit passed, as i would have

Post #11 » by **Spykes** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:36 am

Why is Ainge shopping Rondo? That makes no sense to me as an outsider looking in. Is he causing problems in the lockerroom? Does Celtic management just not want to pay him? I don't get it at all.

princeofpalace · Post #12 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:36 am

Avalanche wrote:Use their capspace on what though... Boozer, Gordon?

if you want that then fair enough, but getting rays huge expiring for the 2010 FA market is definitely SOME incentive, along with a great young point guard

The thing is, Detroit is not a hot free agent destination and Dumars does not overpay. He has a much better shot of getting stuff done this offseason that he would making a spalsh in 10 when so many other teams have money. And while Rondo is a great point, he is not needed. This trade doesnt make much sense for Detroit, that is ultimately why it was rejected. Pistons should just get Boozer and Gordon and see how they work out.

This trade make Pistons worse next season and leaves too many question marks in the future. The Pistons aren't trying to rebuild, they are trying to get back to competing next season using their capspace, this trade doesn't allow them to do that at all.

Fencer reregistered · Post #13 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:38 am

Dumars gave away Billups for nothing, so anything is possible in his cap space maneuverings. But Rip is expiring too, and Prince has just one more year.

Ray for Rip and Prince straight up does work. So including Giddens and/or Walker works too.

Would Pierce and Prince be effective playing side by side?

princeofpalace · Post #14 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:39 am

^
Rip just signed an extension- he has 2 more years guaranteed and 1 more year partially guarenteed.

Detroit has a PG and they have a SG what they need is a PF or C. They wont also lose their depth at SF just to get more players at positions they already have filled

threrf23 · Post #15 » by **threrf23** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:41 am

Rip isn't a great outside shooter. Stuckey isn't all that good IMO. Rip is expiring - my bad he's not, so our ability to sign a max level FA next offseason would go away. Prince would be nice, obviously, but a suitable back-up SF would be more easily come by via FA than a decent point guard. I wouldn't have even liked that deal.

I think this would be an awesome deal for Detroit, actually. Ray>>Rip, Rondo>>>>>Stuckey, Prince could easily be replaced considering they would have 20+ mil in cap room (which could be thrown partially at a guy like Marion or Odom). And then, when Ray expired next offseason, they'd have more caproom.

Dumars made the proposal, not DA, IMO

Avalanche · Post #16 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:47 am

Spykes wrote:Why is Ainge shopping Rondo? That makes no sense to me as an outsider looking in. Is he causing problems in the lockerroom? Does Celtic management just not want to pay him? I don't get it at all.

few theories on it have been floated..

they arent sure whether he will be worth the huge extension he's likely to get

he has a very arrogant streak about him, may be uncoachable later on

using a young guy, with a high current value to get vets to help extend the window of Pierce and KG by a year or 2.. Rondo wont be a team carrying type star, but he has very high value now because of his play in the play-offs.. if danny can pick up some vets to give us the best chance of winning this and next season it looks like he'll bite

Post #17 » by **UGA Hayes** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:49 am

Certainly an interesting proposal although I still think we are underrating how good Rondo is. It seems to me like there should be a good deal out there for Ray alone.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #18 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:56 am

I'd take Prince & Stuckey for Ray and Rondo. Prince is an ideal defender to put on Kobe and LeBron. I'm not following what Detroit's trying to do. They extended Rip, but are after Ben Gordon?? Is Prince on the move??

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #19 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:57 am

Spykes wrote:Why is Ainge shopping Rondo? That makes no sense to me as an outsider looking in. Is he causing problems in the lockerroom? Does Celtic management just not want to pay him? I don't get it at all.

I'm not sure which one it is:

1) To get something of value back, you have to give up something just as enticing. The Celtics' 1st rounders aren't too valuable at the moment seeing as how they'll surely be in the high 20s for at least the next couple of years. Ray Allen's expiring ain't bad, but to get players back that will keep the Cs in contention, they've got to throw Rondo in. If this is the case, then Ainge probably feels he's got someone in the free agent pool lined up to replace him.
OR
2) Ainge might feel that Rondo has peaked, and might not be worth $9-10 million per year after the Big 3 are gone. Ainge has always maintained that to be successful in trades, you buy low and sell high. He bought Ricky Davis for cheap, then shipped him out just as he was starting to become a bit of a problem in the lockerroom. No one ever found out he was mocking Pierce's speeches until after he was traded. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not implying that Rondo's a problem in the lockerroom. What I'm trying to get at is this - how good will Rondo be when defenses make him their primary focus. He was exposed in the Orlando series despite having Pierce and Ray. He might put up nice stats right now, but perhaps Ainge feels his play might decline when defenses start paying more attention to him?

Either way, I just hope that if Ainge does decide to let Rondo go, it's in an effort to acquire guys that will help keep the Cs as a top 4 team for at least the next 2-3 seasons before dropping off again. Personally, I would probably put up with a sharp decline and endure another period similar to 2005 - 2007, so long as it gets the Cs another 1-2 championships.

MaxwellSmart · Post #20 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:58 am

UGA Hayes wrote:Certainly an interesting proposal although I still think we are underrating how good Rondo is. It seems to me like there should be a good deal out there for Ray alone.

Yeah, you put Ray AND Rondo in the same deal----you better be getting back someone like Bosh/Wade/CP3---no lateral moves.