Trading Rondo is Madness!

grantlongforpresident · Post #1 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:27 pm

I can't even believed it is being considered! There are NO realistic trades where trading Rondo makes us better.

I wouldn't trade Rondo for the 2nd pick in the draft! Rondo is a sure bet to be nasty for the next decade! Why would you ever shop him?

And if it is about money, what are we going to do with that money, overpay a free agent like Ellis, Arenas, B.Davis or R.Lewis?

Also Can't we match any offer when the time comes? And if it is too much, can't we S&T him ala Joe Johnson and get a couple 1sts? And meanwhile you have Rondo playing for his big contract while we are in a key season as far as the PGA window?

Ridiculous!

jfs1000d · Post #2 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:57 pm

If we got the No. 2 pick and signed Andre MIller to the MLE, would we be that bad off?

Miller has about 2-3 years left.

cfan79 · Post #3 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:19 pm

I trust Danny's judgement when it comes to trades. I don't care who he has to trade as long as its making the team better. This guy isn't Chris Wallace he knows when a trade is good.

Tricky Ricky · Post #4 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:26 pm

grantlongforpresident wrote:I can't even believed it is being considered! There are NO realistic trades where trading Rondo makes us better.

I wouldn't trade Rondo for the 2nd pick in the draft! Rondo is a sure bet to be nasty for the next decade! Why would you ever shop him?

And if it is about money, what are we going to do with that money, overpay a free agent like Ellis, Arenas, B.Davis or R.Lewis?

Also Can't we match any offer when the time comes? And if it is too much, can't we S&T him ala Joe Johnson and get a couple 1sts? And meanwhile you have Rondo playing for his big contract while we are in a key season as far as the PGA window?

Ridiculous!

I wouldnt trade him for the #2 pick in the draft but when you look at the Detroit trade then I start thinking I might let him go.

BillessuR6 · Post #5 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:31 pm

Why would we shop him? Because he plays like an allstar one day and like the worst player in the league the next. His mindset, demeanor is his biggest weakness. When you see him at the start of the game in a bad mood, you know he will have a horrible game. He is just too emotional...and he also isn`t the hardest worker. I still can`t believe how he only started working on his jumpshot this season...

cfan79 · Post #6 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:16 pm

The topic's title made me think of that scene in the move "300" when that bald guy with the nose ring gets kicked into the bottomless pit.

"This is madness"
"This is Sparta"

stiles21 · Post #7 » by **stiles21** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:28 pm

People always forget that Rondo makes the people around him better. OK, so his jump shot needs work. The kid is a great passer, his handles are amazing, maybe top 5 quickest in the league. He made the all defensive team and we all know he can get better on D. Rajon is a smart kid who knows the game.
A really good PG is hard to come by. All the people that support the Rondo trade will be the same people 2 or 3 years from now saying "why would they trade this kid'. I would love to know how Paul and K.G feel about a Rondo trade.
Will some one tell me who we can realistically get that will give us a better chance of winning now and a better chance of winning down the road. I don't know him personally, I'm not on the Celtics staff so i don't know whats going behind closed door, but as far as basketball goes Rondo has one flaw and thats his jumper. If he fixes the J he's an all-star. Save the Celtics keep Rondo.

pac213up · Post #8 » by **pac213up** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:43 pm

I'm a Rondo fan and defended him many times on this board BUT the fact is if the Celtics have an opportunity to use his value and the Ray Allen's contract for a player/players that will make them better for a longer period of time I am all for it and trust Ainge knows what he is doing. At a minimum Ainge looking at what options may or may not be out there is a good thing and shows the commitment this group of owners has to winner for a sustained period.

Ainge has already said the way the original Big 3 and their contracts were handled was a disaster, so he is not just going to sign these guys to extensions and have them retire in Boston without exploring all options their max contract cap # provides to him.

cfan79 · Post #9 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:47 pm

stiles21 wrote:People always forget that Rondo makes the people around him better. OK, so his jump shot needs work. The kid is a great passer, his handles are amazing, maybe top 5 quickest in the league. He made the all defensive team and we all know he can get better on D. Rajon is a smart kid who knows the game.

But people often forget he makes them worse as well. He cannot stay in front of anyone. Thus Perk and KG have to waste fouls on his man. He shouldn't have made the all defense team. Only reason he got on is because of his steals from behind. Rondo is a great passer though with tremendous dribbling ability. There are both major positives and negatives to his game.

stiles21 · Post #10 » by **stiles21** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:01 pm

cfan79 wrote:
stiles21 wrote:People always forget that Rondo makes the people around him better. OK, so his jump shot needs work. The kid is a great passer, his handles are amazing, maybe top 5 quickest in the league. He made the all defensive team and we all know he can get better on D. Rajon is a smart kid who knows the game.

But people often forget he makes them worse as well. He cannot stay in front of anyone. Thus Perk and KG have to waste fouls on his man. He shouldn't have made the all defense team. Only reason he got on is because of his steals from behind. Rondo is a great passer though with tremendous dribbling ability. There are both major positives and negatives to his game.

I know what your saying, but it's not that he can't stay in front, the problem is that he gambles to much trying to get the steal which is pretty easily fixable, it's just a matter of discipline.

pac213up · Post #11 » by **pac213up** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:28 pm

stiles21 wrote:
cfan79 wrote:
stiles21 wrote:People always forget that Rondo makes the people around him better. OK, so his jump shot needs work. The kid is a great passer, his handles are amazing, maybe top 5 quickest in the league. He made the all defensive team and we all know he can get better on D. Rajon is a smart kid who knows the game.

But people often forget he makes them worse as well. He cannot stay in front of anyone. Thus Perk and KG have to waste fouls on his man. He shouldn't have made the all defense team. Only reason he got on is because of his steals from behind. Rondo is a great passer though with tremendous dribbling ability. There are both major positives and negatives to his game.

I know what your saying, but it's not that he can't stay in front, the problem is that he gambles to much trying to get the steal which is pretty easily fixable, it's just a matter of discipline.

Most of the time he stays in front of his guy. Does he take chances and maybe too many - sure. He also swallows passing lanes better than and PG in the game and helps off the ball while on his guy as well as any PG in the league.

His defensive win share was 3rd best behind Howard & James, this does not happen because of steals from behind. The stat is generated by points allowed against. His overall defensive rating is 10th in the league (1st amongst all guards) again much more than steals goes into this # as well. I will take this type of defensive effort by every player all day long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDuud1RXuZI

tombattor · Post #12 » by **tombattor** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:07 pm

cfan79 wrote:I trust Danny's judgement when it comes to trades. I don't care who he has to trade as long as its making the team better. This guy isn't Chris Wallace he knows when a trade is good.

I'm all for trading Rondo, but not sure if I give Danny 100% trust on trades... He's been up and down in that aspect of his job.

campybatman · Post #13 » by **campybatman** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:43 pm

This quote is so concise... I can't imagine that Ainge has abandoned the idea of (possibly) getting back to the NBA Finals next season. So I've to assume that Ainge is using this to distract those from his real interest which is in targeting certain free agents to improve the bench.

There has been some friction with Rondo, largely based on maturity. No issues with him are insurmountable, but Ainge has never minded shopping ideas around the league. Nevertheless, it’s hard to imagine a deal that Boston could do with these two players that would give them a chance to stay a championship contender around Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

SichtingLives · Post #14 » by **SichtingLives** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:45 am

There's a problem with the whole sell high philosophy here......has anyone considered that Rajon is not even close to his potential as a basketball player yet? I mean people are talking about this kid like he's an 8th year player, maxed out on his abilities, resigned to a lousy jumpshot and ole! defense. I've seen marked improvement in every area of his game since he was drafted. Of course he still has a ways to go and has deficiencies to his game (like every other player in the league except for possibly Kobe), but what happens when the core of our entire team is pushing 35 and there is NO youth to turn over the next stone with? What then, start over, back to the basement for another 20? That would be an absolute disaster.

I don't think Rondo is a player you can "build around", but he's a young upper tier point guard on a team built around 3 guys who will be retired or close to it in the next 5 years. Forget tradeable pieces, we have hardly anything to move forward with long term on this roster besides Rondo, an improving but oft-injured Center and two decent bench forwards, one of which just blew his knee out for the 15th time. Oh, and there's Pauls replacement, Bill Walker :roll:

If the perfect trade surfaces, pull the trigger by all means. I have yet to see a single trade scenario this off season that does the C's any real favors. That, and people have an extremely short, selective memory. When healthy, the C's starting five have made a strong case for being the best starting five in the league for the last two years. In the immediate future, we need a BENCH. As for any other moves, I'm all set with another 12 year vet playing the fourth amigo role, we've got enough of that already.

If we're moving Rondo, it is imperative that we pick up another young stud to lead the next generation of Celtics, or just leave it alone, fill in the gaps on the bench and let this squad roll to another title. This is not the time for panic (well not yet, but don't fret..... you'll all have your day in the sun soon enough).

Andrew McCeltic · Post #15 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:11 am

Didn't Boris Diaw put up a few triple-doubles a couple seasons back?

You trade Rondo if you think:

A. His value is at its peak (ok players on excellent teams get hyped- remember a few years ago when Tony Parker was such a greatyoungpointguard? He's good, but you don't build a team around him.)

B. He's going to transition from underpaid to overpaid with his next contract.

C. He's not going to get significantly better. He's not Chris Paul. He's unlikely to become a franchise point guard. He's in that nebulous 'top 10 pg' grey zone, where we put players we like. His flaws are hidden by the quality of the team he plays on.

Rondo for Conley/Gay (for example) is a good case of buy low, sell high. You get a late first rounder, give him a couple of years to look good on a contender, and then you trade him for two lotto picks who have underachieved and/or been stuck on a bad team. Their value will go up.

GreenMachine · Post #16 » by **GreenMachine** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:34 am

thebirdman wrote:Why would we shop him? Because he plays like an allstar one day and like the worst player in the league the next. His mindset, demeanor is his biggest weakness. When you see him at the start of the game in a bad mood, you know he will have a horrible game. He is just too emotional...

So you are saying he plays like a 23 year old? Yeah he does.

PGs take time... we forget that because he is Already so good. Kidd, Billups, Nash, the list goes on... Rondo just needs to mature. He will be one of the top PGs in the league for years to come.

grantlongforpresident · Post #17 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:39 pm

I can't believe the number of morons who think Rondo should be traded. Rondo is a guy you build around. As i said, Madness!

cfan79 · Post #18 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:43 pm

grantlongforpresident wrote:I can't believe the number of morons who think Rondo should be traded. Rondo is a guy you build around. As i said, Madness!

You're the moron if you think you can build around him. Now is the time to trade him because his value will never be higher.

grantlongforpresident · Post #19 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:24 pm

cfan79 wrote:
grantlongforpresident wrote:I can't believe the number of morons who think Rondo should be traded. Rondo is a guy you build around. As i said, Madness!

You're the moron if you think you can build around him. Now is the time to trade him because his value will never be higher.

FALSE. Trading Rondo (using rumored trades as a benchmark) would ultimately be far worse then the Joe Johnson deal. The only player that may be better than Rondo in all these rumors is Rip Hamilton... but then you have to give up Ray as well.

Stuckey/Conley<<Gay<<Rondo. IMO. And do you really think Rubio will be better than Rondo? It is possible, but doubtful in my mind, especially while PGA are in their prime.

Quantity for Quality is useless unless you are doing things for cap reasons.

Keep the core together. I can't believe some of the posts regarding rondo recently. He has become underrated nearly overnight.