Possible draft day trade?

[cingular]

NBA GM's are aware of what Amare already is and how he could even could progress to become better. However Bosh was just on the Olympic team, not coming off an injury (regardless if the guy is fine), seems more unselfish (Amare wants to be #1 option as opposed to Bosh who can be a 2/3 if needed) and has a far better GM.

I think the best case would be for Colangelo to get a king's ransom for Bosh this summer, and Boozer gets close to a max contract somewhere. Amare comes back and shows he is still the man he always was, and you would have dumped Shaq this off season and possibly Nash. Then you can trade Amare for seemingly max value or see if you can pay him at that point a year from now.

Don't get me wrong Amare is a flat out stud but more in the mold of a Rasheed Wallace/Rudy Gay syndrome that could plateau more so than other 4's (very short list) that may be available at present.

As you guys know Kerr/Sarver/Media have not helped your players trade value in the least, but at this point it can only get better right?

One of Amare/Nash/Shaq will not still be with the team by the start of the season right? Surely by next year's deadline at best.

[thamadkant]

cingular...

As one of the Suns fans here that is always looking for Stoudemire trades to make the SUNS better and actually has a sceptical view of him as a player..

I have to say...
Comparing Bosh to Stoudemire is like comparing Jose Calderon to Steve Nash... minus the age thing.

Bosh is average defender, doesnt intimidate anyone inside nor isnt a shot alterer.
Stoudemire is inconsitent, a poor post defender but is a better intimidator and shot alterer (as help defender) But both are not known for defense. Bosh is better obviously but not enough impact to be called a defensive big man.

Offense wise, Bosh had a good season last year, probably best scoring year. However even with that aspect, is not the scorer Stoudemire is. Stoudemire given the the chance to be "fed" all game will give you 30 points atleast a night. Sure the foul trouble will usually cause him to sit down a lot, but pair him with a defensive big and ask him to focus on scoring and he will give you 30ppg... slow down offense or high pace offense.... with a slow down offense he is more like a 22~25 point scorer but still a terror offensive big man as he draws many defensive plays just to stop him... Bosh as well as he has played last season... isnt the same offensive power house as Stoudemire... Bosh is also "softer" than Stoudemire in terms of game style... when it gets physical, Bosh will tend to be less efficient offensive wise... Stoudemire remains the same.


But I think Bosh and Stoudemire's worth are very even at the moment. Eye surgery or not.

As a Suns fan, I just dont want him as No.1 option for the next 6 years with 23+ Million taken from the Suns salary cap as I think Suns are better off re-building differently when Nash retires or gets moved.

[cingular]

I can see your points but Gm's see Bosh as a better fit in Cleveland or Miami alongside another #1 option while Amare has killed any chance that happening to him. As versatile as Amare is Bosh is a crafty lefty with a better mid range game albeit much less dynamic and explosive off the dribble and in general.

It's more a risk aversion thing which when you are paying a max contract (see Starbury sagas) I think favors Bosh. Amare has a more volatile personality and if he goes a team with a culture of losing and all that jazz it might turn out bad quick. Couple that with multiple microfracture surgeries (that were first of its kind on someone like Amare) the jury is still out on giving him a 6 year contract and how he will age/break down during the life of the contract. Look at a Tmac or Francis their knees gave out eventually. Again this is an outside observer's take on the situation and I just think Bosh will get more in a trade even though Amare is possibly the superior player due to more visible baggage and an seemingly incompetent GM.

100 plus million over 6 to a guy that has missed almost what a third of his early NBA career? He has been hampered with horrific knee injuries, a freak eye injury as well as has a lot more mileage on his body since he came right out of High school (as far his window for peak/prime years). TMAC is an example of what could happen sadly, because at some point a trend becomes a problem and it saps all the ability. Its more likely in 3 years he could be another Zach Randolph than guiding some basement team to title.

[JohnVancouver]

[quote="cingular"]I can see your points but Gm's see Bosh as a better fit in Cleveland or Miami alongside another #1 option while Amare has killed any chance that happening to him. As versatile as Amare is Bosh is a crafty lefty with a better mid range game albeit much less dynamic and explosive off the dribble and in general.

-- I'd argue that, and I'm a big Raps fan. One of the scary things about Amar's is that he's become a strong midrange player so you really have to move up and defend him. Then you have a set of new problems given that he can put the ball on the floor.
Whatever his deficiences, he has none offensively. he's a monster.

It's more a risk aversion thing ... I just think Bosh will get more in a trade even though Amare is possibly the superior player due to more visible baggage and an seemingly incompetent GM.


--- There I agee with you. Bosh is a very politic guy and knows how to negotiate the media minefield; Stat only opens his mouth to change feet. I think a lot of GMs would see him as a potential problem child in the media and in the locker room.

[TASTIC]

^you have issues quoting don't you johnny boy?

Totally agree, Amare's mid range is arguably up there with Bosh, and you can't just lag off him if he's hitting it early

Bosh's age and attitude most likely is the separator between the two in trade value, but I know who I'd rather have...

[JohnVancouver]

^you have issues quoting don't you johnny boy?

Totally agree, Amare's mid range is arguably up there with Bosh, and you can't just lag off him if he's hitting it early

Bosh's age and attitude most likely is the separator between the two in trade value, but I know who I'd rather have...

you think I have issues with quoting, you ought to see me try to add an avatar. Took me two years to add a sig for god's sake

[TASTIC]

^do you want to know how?

Can give you a rundown if you need?

[BurningHeart]

Regarding a trade....

I only want Shaq for Chandler/Posey or Shaq for Allen/Perkins.

Anything else would piss me off probably.

[TASTIC]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... est_d.html

This is so confusing. Are we moving #14 to OK and then trying to make a deal to move up to #5 or #6?

Maybe they think they'll need a top 5 to get Clark or Jennings or whoever, and if they can do that while securing next year's unprotected and the #25 it might not be so bad

So many rumours...wonder how Rondo's feeling right now?
If I'm Boston I take Conley and Gay and RUN...then move Allen for someone like Duhon to help their PG situation...

[BurningHeart]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/spears_latest_d.html

This is so confusing. Are we moving #14 to OK and then trying to make a deal to move up to #5 or #6?

Maybe they think they'll need a top 5 to get Clark or Jennings or whoever, and if they can do that while securing next year's unprotected and the #25 it might not be so bad

So many rumours...wonder how Rondo's feeling right now?
If I'm Boston I take Conley and Gay and RUN...then move Allen for someone like Duhon to help their PG situation...

I feel like you're just teasing us since you know!

[TASTIC]

Seriously man I'm as lost as you, and EVERYONE is confused to what's going on. Even IHG is somewhat puzzled by the recent moves...Wiz have their fingers in a lot of pies it seems, same with MIN. Look at all MIN's draft picks now! it's like they're the new Portland...

[BurningHeart]

Well Cheers, I'm off to bed. Hopefully if there's any news (not sure how much I WANT there to be news), it'll be out by the time I wake up....

[The Diesel]

The latest on Shaq:

1. The Suns and Cavs, sources say, were trying hard last week to recruit a third team to help facilitate the deal, presumably to help furnish Phoenix with more than just the financial relief that would come with the acquisitions of Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. No willing third team offering up a serviceable big man whom Phoenix likes has been located. Yet.

2. The Cavs recognize that Big Ben's potential willingness to be bought out of his $14 million ending salary, along with the expiration of Pavlovic's $4.9 million salary (with only $1.5 million guaranteed), add up to two decent trade chips. It thus benefits Cleveland to shop around to see what else might be available, because the list of teams willing to take on Shaq's $21 million salary next season is a very short one at the minute.

As I've been saying since March, knowledgeable sources continue to insist that O'Neal is at best on Dallas' B-list or maybe even its C-list of offseason targets, no matter how many times someone suggests that the Mavs are willing to offer up, say, Josh Howard for The Diesel. Even facing its serious need to get younger, Dallas wasn't willing to make Howard (and his expiring deal) available to Washington for the No. 5 pick that the Wizards wound up dealing to Minnesota.

3. In almost every front office in the league -- even San Antonio's, now that the Spurs have made their big play for Richard Jefferson -- draft considerations are inevitably the focus this week. Which makes it even harder to pull a third team in.

Yet you can safely assume that we'll be back to Shaq quickly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeChatter-090624

It seems Shaq isn't going anywhere anytime soon...just like I predicted.

[rsavaj]

if we trade amare for a top 5 pick to grab jennings, i'm going to be ticked; DX has him slotted at 17 right now!

and chad ford has him at 19...dude's going to be there when we pick at 14

[JohnVancouver]

^do you want to know how?

Can give you a rundown if you need?

That would be swell - I been trying to add an avatar for some time but the whole URL thing baffles me

[starbosa10]

i agree with rsavaj. that deal would be completely pointless.
1.jennings might be there at 14
2. i dont believe jennings is worth amare
3. if this does happen the only big men phx has left is rolo,shaq, and amundson

[JohnVancouver]

if we trade amare for a top 5 pick to grab jennings, i'm going to be ticked; DX has him slotted at 17 right now!

and chad ford has him at 19...dude's going to be there when we pick at 14

--- Jeez, I hope not. I think he's going to bust - just my feeling, nothing to back it up except that.
Another of my feelings was that Adam Morrison had a place in the league ....

Seriously, I would hope for a TWill or Clark over him. Did you all see him play in high school or what?