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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#341 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:47 pm

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Right now this is an indictment of Ernie Grunfield.

Pay too much for mediocre talent and that predicates a cap dump draft.

Draft Pecherov and give him away.

Draft Young and end up trading for Foye. They might coexist, though.

This morning I see this as a first order of business trade, with one I surely hope happens. Ernie needs a small for big trade, and one that gives some defense and toughness to the frontcourt.


Then I'll give him benefit of a doubt. Right now I'll say it reminds me of getting Daniels and Songaila much more than than getting Arenas or Butler. Ony this time if Miller and Foye play great the best the Wizards can do is sign them OR Brendan as it stands, or trade them.


+1 Ernie's # 1 priority appears to have-been to shed salary while upgrading where-possible. Why-not Put Pech in the Miller role & Curry in Foyes? What do we have left after the 1-year rentals?
Why are so-many teams trying to make deals to move-up and make picks in this draft?

Like you said, there's got to be a small for big trade coming, if-so, then I'm down with this being Ernie's hail-mary pass at making a run at a Eastern conference finals show-down with the Cavs.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#342 » by tkunit » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:50 pm

I am liking this trade, Miller gives us a good player who fits into the team. The man can do it all, shoot pass rebound and being in washignton he can feed off of gil and caron stuff will be much easier for him than in minny.

Foye is a good player in theory, but i have my doubts about him as a pro. Time will tell and he might become a great 6th man, and at times could run the point with gil at the 2. Or we might end up moving him again later who knowes.

Buttom line we pick up 2 players who are upgrades over the ones we shipped out and saved some money. We now have a legit starting sg in miller and possible 6th man stud in foye. Its not the best trade ever but its certainly not a horrible one or even a bad one.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#343 » by Ed Wood » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:53 pm

My initial assumption was actually that both Miler and Foye would be second unit players. One of the most persistent problems the Wizards faced last year, and last year's Wizards backcourt is effectively this year's backcourt depth, was a lack of players with the ability and mentality to initiate the offense as it was and to serve as distributors.

James can't be trusted to pass up shots or to see the ball into the hands of another player outside of instances in which his little "o" on the chalkboard had a dotted line connected to another player in the pre-game and on a bad night Crittenton couldn't be trusted with anything but a fast break. McGuire is a willing passer but doesn't have enough faith in his own ball handling (not that he should) to create passing opportunities so he tends to gravitate to a corner and serve as scenery until his man feels bad and offers him a twenty foot jumper.

Our second unit last year had a real underpants gnome offensive philosophy; once we crossed half court (which was occasionally an adventure in and of itself) we knew the conditions under which we could score (e.g. ball in hand, running at basket within five feet for JaVale, open on wing from twenty feet for Dom) but we lacked the ability to navigate the intermediate steps and get us there. So we'd scuffle for a few minutes, the other team would press, we'd turn it over and that would be the last rest Butler and Arenas would see that night.

Neither Foye nor Miller are world-beating players; but both are guys who can get the in-between stuff done. The starters can take care of themselves, but prior to this year we just couldn't trust our backups to survive in their absence. Defensive issues have long been our 800 pound gorilla but haven't we lamented the heavy workloads our starters shoulder for just as long? If we can get Arenas and Butler through a year unhurt and playing ~thirty five minutes a game as a result of this trade I think you have to consider it worthwhile. Many here have argued that defense would be the team’s fatal flaw if half the roster wasn’t hurt all the time and given that I don’t think any of the players available in the draft would have had much impact on that statement just shortening it to “defense is our fatal flaw” is a significant step.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#344 » by fishercob » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:54 pm

closg00 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Right now this is an indictment of Ernie Grunfield.

Pay too much for mediocre talent and that predicates a cap dump draft.

Draft Pecherov and give him away.

Draft Young and end up trading for Foye. They might coexist, though.

This morning I see this as a first order of business trade, with one I surely hope happens. Ernie needs a small for big trade, and one that gives some defense and toughness to the frontcourt.


Then I'll give him benefit of a doubt. Right now I'll say it reminds me of getting Daniels and Songaila much more than than getting Arenas or Butler. Ony this time if Miller and Foye play great the best the Wizards can do is sign them OR Brendan as it stands, or trade them.


+1 Ernie's # 1 priority appears to have-been to shed salary while upgrading where-possible. Why-not Put Pech in the Miller role & Curry in Foyes? What do we have left after the 1-year rentals?
Why are so-many teams trying to make deals to move-up and make picks in this draft?

Like you said, there's got to be a small for big trade coming, if-so, then I'm down with this being Ernie's hail-mary pass at making a run at a Eastern conference finals show-down with the Cavs.


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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#345 » by john2jer » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:55 pm

For as much as people bash on Mike Miller for having a down year in the scoring department, he was the #1 rebounding guard in the league at 6.6 per game. Big deal, right? It definitely is when you're playing with Keving Love and Al Jefferson who averaged 9.1 and 11.0 respectively. Not to mention Foye is a solid rebounder as well.

Miller and Foye also provide the freedom to play Arenas off the ball in some stretches as well. Flip Saunders offense is based on a lot of movements, and jump shots. Miller and Foye can hit both, plus it allows Arenas the ability to run around and get open for his own shot without having to ALWAYS create, which he can. Just an added dimension to the team.

For those knocking the trade, I'd be willing to bet you'll be singing a different tune halfway through the season, assuming everyone stays healthy.

Good trade for both teams.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#346 » by sashae » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 pm

Apparently the Knicks have just dealt for Minnesota's #28..
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#347 » by Wizardspride » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 pm

http://probasketballnews.com/story/?storyid=591
A few random notes from around the NBA in perhaps its busiest week:

* How good is Washington after Tuesday's trade in which the Wizards acquired guards Mike Miller and Randy Foye from Minnesota? "I think they are now the fourth best team in the East," former NBA coach and current PBN contributor Eric Musselman told me last night.

* Musselman also said he thinks the Wizards will lead the league in scoring under new coach Flip Saunders. "They already had some real potent scorers (in forwards Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, and guard Gilbert Arenas, when healthy)," he said. "You have to love the fact they added a guy who averaged 16 points in Foye."

* As for Miller, Musselman believes the veteran guard can average anywhere from 18 to 25 minutes and score in double digits in Saunders' offense. "Miller stretches out the defense; you can't leave him open," Musselman said. "So with Arenas' ability to create, Miller causes the game to be 4-on-4. He is also a much better passer than he gets credit for."

* Musselman astutely pointed out the new Wizards already have Wolves connections. "Flip had the whole year off and lived in Minnesota -- so he got an up-close look and probably watched the Timberwolves more than anybody," he said. "The lead assistant on his staff in Washington is Randy Wittman (who, like Saunders, coached the Timberwolves). Another of his assistants in Washington is Don Zierden, who coached Minnesota's WNBA team. Between all those guys, they obviously know what they're getting in Miller and Foye."

* Musselman concluded, "It's obvious Washington is making a push not just to make the playoffs, but to go as far as they possibly can in the playoffs. Their time is now. The rest of the East should be scared; the Wizards have the potential to seriously threaten."

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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#348 » by TheSecretWeapon » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:05 pm

Man, Rico is the voice of reason? What is this board coming to?

You cannot compare an actual trade to media rumors, many of which are manure, planted by someone (agent, GM, executive, someone else) for an array of possible reasons.

Overall, I'm ambivalent about the deal. Miller -- even if he's not what he was a few years ago -- is still a solid player with some versatility who contributes at about the level expected from a 5th pick. Foye will be decent as a 3rd guard. Overall, it further upgrades the Wiz on the offensive end, and gives them a better rotation.

It doesn't help much defensively, of course, which is one reason I'm dubious. Then again, just using the pick probably wouldn't have helped the defense much either. Neither would trading the pick for Amare. What I'd anticipate seeing is a lot of zone schemes similar to what Flip ran in Minnesota. This may help with some matchup problems. MAY. On the other hand, the Wiz can create some matchup problems of their own because of the shooters they'll have available and Flip's first-rate offensive schemes.

Knowing Ernie & Co., this was the best deal available. I think they may end up regretting passing on Harden or Evans, though. Miller & Foye aren't Jamison, who signficantly outproduced most of the guys who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 (as measured by Win Shares). The only guy who produced more Win Shares than Jamison over the past 5 years (who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 that year) is Iguodala. The Wiz will have to make deep playoff runs within the next couple years for the front office to be happy with this trade, I think.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#349 » by miller31time » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:09 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Knowing Ernie & Co., this was the best deal available. I think they may end up regretting passing on Harden or Evans, though. Miller & Foye aren't Jamison, who signficantly outproduced most of the guys who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 (as measured by Win Shares). The only guy who produced more Win Shares than Jamison over the past 5 years (who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 that year) is Iguodala. The Wiz will have to make deep playoff runs within the next couple years for the front office to be happy with this trade, I think.


TSW, obviously no one knows for sure but do you see this as the last move of the off-season or would you predict another trade on the way?
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#350 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:29 pm

john2jer wrote:For as much as people bash on Mike Miller for having a down year in the scoring department, he was the #1 rebounding guard in the league at 6.6 per game. Big deal, right? It definitely is when you're playing with Keving Love and Al Jefferson who averaged 9.1 and 11.0 respectively. Not to mention Foye is a solid rebounder as well.

Miller and Foye also provide the freedom to play Arenas off the ball in some stretches as well. Flip Saunders offense is based on a lot of movements, and jump shots. Miller and Foye can hit both, plus it allows Arenas the ability to run around and get open for his own shot without having to ALWAYS create, which he can. Just an added dimension to the team.

For those knocking the trade, I'd be willing to bet you'll be singing a different tune halfway through the season, assuming everyone stays healthy.

Good trade for both teams.


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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#351 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:33 pm

fishercob wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Right now this is an indictment of Ernie Grunfield.

Pay too much for mediocre talent and that predicates a cap dump draft.

Draft Pecherov and give him away.

Draft Young and end up trading for Foye. They might coexist, though.

This morning I see this as a first order of business trade, with one I surely hope happens. Ernie needs a small for big trade, and one that gives some defense and toughness to the frontcourt.


Then I'll give him benefit of a doubt. Right now I'll say it reminds me of getting Daniels and Songaila much more than than getting Arenas or Butler. Ony this time if Miller and Foye play great the best the Wizards can do is sign them OR Brendan as it stands, or trade them.


+1 Ernie's # 1 priority appears to have-been to shed salary while upgrading where-possible. Why-not Put Pech in the Miller role & Curry in Foyes? What do we have left after the 1-year rentals?
Why are so-many teams trying to make deals to move-up and make picks in this draft?

Like you said, there's got to be a small for big trade coming, if-so, then I'm down with this being Ernie's hail-mary pass at making a run at a Eastern conference finals show-down with the Cavs.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That may be the funniest (dumbest?) thing I've ever read here.


It's not that-much of a stretch actually. All I'm saying is that given our wretched player development under EJ/Ernie, I would not be surprised to see Pech come-in as a successful sub-shooter under a better-coached team.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#352 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:34 pm

john2jer wrote:For as much as people bash on Mike Miller for having a down year in the scoring department, he was the #1 rebounding guard in the league at 6.6 per game. Big deal, right? It definitely is when you're playing with Keving Love and Al Jefferson who averaged 9.1 and 11.0 respectively. Not to mention Foye is a solid rebounder as well.

Miller and Foye also provide the freedom to play Arenas off the ball in some stretches as well. Flip Saunders offense is based on a lot of movements, and jump shots. Miller and Foye can hit both, plus it allows Arenas the ability to run around and get open for his own shot without having to ALWAYS create, which he can. Just an added dimension to the team.

For those knocking the trade, I'd be willing to bet you'll be singing a different tune halfway through the season, assuming everyone stays healthy.

Good trade for both teams.


I promise I'll sing a different tune if your vision comes to fruition, but I wanted a draft pick john2jer.

Not getting a pick from Minny is what stings right now.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#353 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:37 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Man, Rico is the voice of reason? What is this board coming to?

You cannot compare an actual trade to media rumors, many of which are manure, planted by someone (agent, GM, executive, someone else) for an array of possible reasons.

Overall, I'm ambivalent about the deal. Miller -- even if he's not what he was a few years ago -- is still a solid player with some versatility who contributes at about the level expected from a 5th pick. Foye will be decent as a 3rd guard. Overall, it further upgrades the Wiz on the offensive end, and gives them a better rotation.

It doesn't help much defensively, of course, which is one reason I'm dubious. Then again, just using the pick probably wouldn't have helped the defense much either. Neither would trading the pick for Amare. What I'd anticipate seeing is a lot of zone schemes similar to what Flip ran in Minnesota. This may help with some matchup problems. MAY. On the other hand, the Wiz can create some matchup problems of their own because of the shooters they'll have available and Flip's first-rate offensive schemes.

Knowing Ernie & Co., this was the best deal available. I think they may end up regretting passing on Harden or Evans, though. Miller & Foye aren't Jamison, who signficantly outproduced most of the guys who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 (as measured by Win Shares). The only guy who produced more Win Shares than Jamison over the past 5 years (who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 that year) is Iguodala. The Wiz will have to make deep playoff runs within the next couple years for the front office to be happy with this trade, I think.


Kev, your bottom line is the bottom line.

I'd almost say they have to make a deep run THIS SEASON or Foye and Miller will not have paid off and will be discarded for cap relief. If they don't make a playoff run this season what will the Wizards have for the #5 pick?
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#354 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:38 pm

sashae wrote:Apparently the Knicks have just dealt for Minnesota's #28..


Again, teams want picks in this supposedly horrible draft.
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Post#355 » by bgroban » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:40 pm

From the Wizards board:

This news may be irrelevant now, but Andy Katz of ESPN said today that if the Wizards didn’t go through with the trade, Washington would have selected James Harden.

“NBA officials confirmed that Harden was supposed to be at Wednesday’s media session in New York but had an unscheduled workout thrust onto his schedule late Tuesday night.

According to a source close to Harden, Harden flew to Minneapolis for an interview and light shooting workout with the Timberwolves on Wednesday.

The source said Harden was told by Washington that he would have been the Wizards’ pick at No. 5 prior to Tuesday’s trade that shipped the fifth pick to Minnesota for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, with three Wizards — Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov — also heading to Minnesota.

The source said Harden would go to either Oklahoma City at No. 3 or Minnesota at No. 5 or 6, pending further moves by the Wolves.

Harden is expected to get to New York late Wednesday night.”
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Post#356 » by AceDegenerate » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:53 pm

Wow. So now it's clear cut.

When Harden outproduces Miller/Foye combined this year, we can all look back at this. smh in disgust.
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Post#357 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:54 pm

WO
bgroban wrote:From the Wizards board:

This news may be irrelevant now, but Andy Katz of ESPN said today that if the Wizards didn’t go through with the trade, Washington would have selected James Harden.

“NBA officials confirmed that Harden was supposed to be at Wednesday’s media session in New York but had an unscheduled workout thrust onto his schedule late Tuesday night.

According to a source close to Harden, Harden flew to Minneapolis for an interview and light shooting workout with the Timberwolves on Wednesday.

The source said Harden was told by Washington that he would have been the Wizards’ pick at No. 5 prior to Tuesday’s trade that shipped the fifth pick to Minnesota for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, with three Wizards — Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov — also heading to Minnesota.

The source said Harden would go to either Oklahoma City at No. 3 or Minnesota at No. 5 or 6, pending further moves by the Wolves.

Harden is expected to get to New York late Wednesday night.”


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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#358 » by WizBiz » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:57 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:WO

Harden...whoa. 10 year train wreck. EG really earned his paycheck this year. I compare EG's move to a fighter pilot avoiding a heat seeking missile when his airplane has already been locked on. EG has more than made up for any blunders he has made in the past with bringing in Saunders Cassells and now this. We've finally got our Ace in the wizards cockpit and he's executing death defying maneuvers and saving Wizard's fans years of pain and suffering. Big Thumbs Up. Harden would have been a catastrophe mark my words.


Best analogy I've ever read on these forums :lol:
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Post#359 » by doclinkin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:58 pm

fishercob wrote:Three reasons this trade improves the Wiz's defense:

1) We'll be a better offensive team. More makes on offense = more opportunities to set up on D (rather than scrambling in transition) and force more misses.

2) We'll force more misses. This trade is going to facilitate bigger lineups on the floor. Historical evidence shows that bigger teams tend to force more misses. Opponents' FG% is also the highest correlated stat with defensive rating.

3) Better defensive rebounding. Out size and overal rebounding acumen is going to hold more opponents to one shot. We'll have mismatches some nights, but one balance, we're going to keep teams off the offensive glass.

Add into that the Flip is a huge upgrade over EJ coaching defense and that his scheme has a track record of success, there's every reason to believe the Wiz will be improved defensively next year. I bet they get to 20th, maybe even 15. With an elite offense, that's a 50 win team and something to build on.


Agreed on all counts. There have been few key problems with our defense under the most recent regime:

1. Scheme. We give up outside shots, defend the midrange, have no good plan for handling the pick and roll except to double down on penetration and 'help' our bigs.

2. Size. In order to keep our best/ most creative/ smartest offensive players on the floor we had to play tweeners at their smaller position. This meant that though we could play defense well occasionally, with hustle and gumption, we had to scramble to do it. You can't keep up that level of intensity and 'effort' for 82 games. Sometimes it's simply better to just be in the right place and be bigger than the guy you face.

3. Offense, see #3. It's well easier to set up in the right place after a made basket instead of scrambling for an offensive rebound after a missed shot. Court balance, transition D all suffer. Also, in the read and react hybrid P-ton scheme it required that we have players who knew how to make plays for themselves, instead of allowing the coach to do the thinking and groove some simple, reliable, repeatable sets. If the frontline guys weren't getting it done, we basically had no back-up plan except for rooks and young pups trying to learn a system that Jason Kidd says takes three years to understand.

4. Team defensive smarts and aptitude. We have some players long enough to defend well, but who aren't really sure how best to fit into a team scheme and who don't have the instinct to do it. We had a couple players with good defensive instincts but a coaching staff whose best strength wasn't with an eye to the in-game adjustment on the defensive end.

5. Depth. See 2 & 3 above. We were playing our top players exceedingly heavy minutes because if we didn't we had little to no chance of success (good for 19 wins apparently). Injuries would amputate the team's legs. We had no late season reserves of energy since we spent all our effort by December every year fighting back from a slow start. Players like Gil stated --truly, as far as I'm concerned-- that he couldn't expend the same amount of effort that he probably ought to on defense because the team needed all of his effort on offense at the other end. The times that he experimented early in the season with defense-first he would tend to play well at that end, but the team would always struggle to score. Then by January we were dealing with nagging injuries borne of exhaustion due to the lack of depth.

Now:

No simplified offense, but we have a coach who is skilled at designing certain plays to take advantage of skilled players. Which makes it individually simplified for that player. Puts most of the decision-making in the hands of the primary guard (Gil, coming off a 10-1 asst/to ratio return to the league after two years of watching from the coaching seats) but he will be able to surround him with good/low-mistake passers elsewhere (Miller, Caron, Foye, even DMac or DSteve) and willing passers in players like Blatche (who still needs to improve the TO thing).

He's got a team with quality depth and complementary offensive players behind and next to the stars. He likes to play long, wants to see Blatche next to Haywood (and Caron at 2 at times) and has a team defensive scheme that takes advantage of the team's length, even if we lack lock-down one-on-one defenders. He adds smart team defenders like MIller who should be able to funnel opponents in towards the baseline where his Bigs wait in position (not lurching around the perimeter as often), always a stride away from the paint.

We've got offensive capability in the starters and off the bench. We've got potential rebounding at every position 1 to 5.

I fully expect the defense to be upgraded, even if we're not gonna choke the opponents out.

Haywood is intimidating, Blatche has shown flashes, McGee has more enthusiasm than sense but he can block a perimeter shot from one-step in the paint, DMac can take spot-duty against tough opponents, Caron still has an eye for a steal when opponents get careless, Gil plans to spent more of his energy as a facilitator and team guy, freeing his energy to play the Team USA defense he was lauded for, then turn on the Hibachi 4th quarter. And in Foye we even have a better defending version of the Juan Dixon who won us a few come from behind victories in the last Larry season.

A good coach can use those tools to fashion a better defense, balance line-ups to allow for a good mix of scoring and D depending on that night's match-up. And Flip's a pretty good coach. So again, like the Flip hiring, this trade wasn't flashy, low-risk, but it for certain didn't hurt the team, didn't make us worse. Given good health... (pray for mercy) I'm pretty sure we'll see an untick in efficiency at both ends of the court. Considering how good we have been on offense in the past, that's saying something pretty special.

Plus, aside from Pech we didn't even lose any real developing young talent. I'll miss Darius' savvy and toughness, hopefully Miller's savvy can equal or surpass Darius' production.
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Re: Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota 

Post#360 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:01 pm

I tell who's a big fan of this trade, Brendan Haywood.
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