Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

[Brenice]

Foye will be an upgrade over DeShawn. His best years are ahead of him. It also allows Nick to be first guard off the bench, because Foye will play better with Gil than Nick. Foye is more well-rounded. Miller will backup Caron at 3 and may not play more than 1 year with wiz. Crit can still backup Gil. McGuire will be hustle/defense off the bench. They have to get a vet to replace Haywood if he gets hurt. McGee is the backup but is not ready to start in my opinion.

It leaves the option open for other trades while still improving the team if not.

[TheKingOfVa360]

I was unimpressed at first, not upset but not impressed, but this is growing on me, big time.

We got two proven solid, if not great players, for some crap and a pick. Time will tell about the pick but we're definitely a better team now and for the next couple of years. The starting 5 is going to be much better that it has been recently, even when healthy. Foye or Miller, whoever is starting, is a large upgrade over the 2's we've been running out there. What really excites me is the 2nd unit we'll be running out there, and those are undervalued and very important minutes, especially against the good teams. Some combo of Foye/Critt, Young, McGee, Dom, Blatch, McGee...maybe Miller....no matter who the starting 5 is, the 2nd unit is a group that can do some damage...positive damage in this case.

I don't think that there's any question that this is a stronger and deeper team.

I feel the same way. We got rid of two bad contracts in Etan and Darius. Plus we picked up Miller and Foye. If they don't work out we just don't have to resign them. Miller's shooting could put us over the top if we can make a move for a big man.

Time to package up Jamison and Nick Young for Amare or Brand

Won't get Amare without offering Butler, but Brand's really an interesting thought, TheKingOfVa360.

I can't see Philly doing it but it's certainly worth a try. Brand should be much better this season. I ruptured my achilles and know first hand that it takes way more than a year to recover (mine still has tightness about 18 months later and there's more than a slight chance at re-rupture, but I'm nearing 50--Brand's a young dude, still.)

I'd still probably risk Jamison and Young for Brand.

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

[doclinkin]

I tell who's a big fan of this trade, Brendan Haywood.
http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/in ... tartclip=2

Yeah I caught that, I like the point at the end where Brendan is saying he's about to run to the gym at 9 o'clock at night to take some shots because he's so amped by the trade.

[verbal8]

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

Too bad we traded Etan already.

[DCZards]

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

Philly's not about to give up Brand. They just traded one big (Evans) and are talking about possibly moving Dalembert. Plus they just got their long range shooter in Kapono...and why would they need Jamison when two of their best young players (Young and Speights) are SF/PF?

And Brand is a big man with a decent high-post passer and a better-than-average 15 ft. jumper, both of which work well with EJ's offense. Philly trading us Brand is wishful thinking.

[Ruzious]

I love me some Starbucks, Ruz. It's 0540 hours here in HI and I'm going on be getting a cappucino from you know where in less than an hour.

Oh, brutality is a good thing to be able to invoke, too. Blair's going to kick ass for someone. This season. Oh well ....

Lol, I'm with you my friend. Every day around 3:00, I need my Starbucks fix - trying to stick to the ice coffee, but that chocolate chip frap is usually too tempting to pass up. And it'd be very cool to see Blair on the Wiz - if he can stay off the whipped cream.

[KevinFCheng]

Wasn't Philly very interested in signing Jamison last year? I think they still like him because he's durable and Brand hasn't been the last 2 years. I'd take a risk on the trade, though. If he's the old Brand, we'll be finals contenders. If he's washed up or injured, we'd have to pay him 1 more year than we'd have to pay Jamison. I say do it, the risk is worth the reward.

[DCZards]

Foye will be an upgrade over DeShawn. His best years are ahead of him. It also allows Nick to be first guard off the bench, because Foye will play better with Gil than Nick. Foye is more well-rounded. Miller will backup Caron at 3 and may not play more than 1 year with wiz. Crit can still backup Gil. McGuire will be hustle/defense off the bench. They have to get a vet to replace Haywood if he gets hurt. McGee is the backup but is not ready to start in my opinion.

It leaves the option open for other trades while still improving the team if not.

Like you Brenice, I see Foye as the starter next to Gil and Miller coming off the bench for instant offense. Most of the other posters see it the other way.

As for an earlier suggestion that Foye has always played PG, well he played next to Kyle Lowery (a PG) at 'Nova and last season started next to Telfair (a PG) in Minny. Sounds to me like Foye has been playing more SG than PG.

[WizarDynasty]

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

Philly's not about to give up Brand. They just traded one big (Evans) and are talking about possibly moving Dalembert. Plus they just got their long range shooter in Kapono...and why would they need Jamison when two of their best young players (Young and Speights) are SF/PF?

And Brand is a big man with a decent high-post passer and a better-than-average 15 ft. jumper, both of which work well with EJ's offense. Philly trading us Brand is wishful thinking.

yeah but EJ want's to run the entire game and Brand isn't a running bigman. EJ likes quick shots from the perimeter and running back and forth is going to be a nightmare for brand injury plagued achilles.

[verbal8]

I saw an article that the Knicks are looking to buy the Wolves last first round pick. Why couldn't the Wizards have included cash and that pick in the deal with the 5th pick? Or traded our second rounder and cash for the 18th.

[Wizardspride]

I saw an article that the Knicks are looking to buy the Wolves last first round pick. Why couldn't the Wizards have included cash and that pick in the deal with the 5th pick? Or traded our second rounder and cash for the 18th.

We asked for the 18th but Minnesota refused.

[LyricalRico]

Foye will be an upgrade over DeShawn. His best years are ahead of him. It also allows Nick to be first guard off the bench, because Foye will play better with Gil than Nick. Foye is more well-rounded.

I don't think you can start Foye and also give Young big minutes, especially if Miller's going to play near starter's minutes (which I think he will). If you play Foye primarily off the ball you're not going to have a lot of time for Young. The only way you can play everybody is to play Foye at the point.

I actually think Nick Young has played his last game in a Wiz uniform. Miller is a more complete player (who can probably be re-signed for a reasonable price) and Foye is a better fit next to Arenas. I also think the organization likes Stevenson's defense, toughness, and chemistry with Gil.

Actually, the more I think about it, DeBrick might actually be more likely to start if they plan to use Miller at both 2/3 spots. Shoot, I'd package Young+James for a big to try to make a run this year. Marcus Camby anyone?

Haywood/Camby
Jamison/Blatche
Butler/Miller
Stevenson/Miller
Arenas/Foye

Deep bench - McGee, McGuire, Critt, #32

That actually looks like a bigger, deeper version of the Orlando Magic. If Flip can use his zone schemes to get them to at least be average defensively they will be hard to beat. Very hard to beat.

[Brenice]

You heard this line: "If you can't beat them, join them." See that is what the NBA is coming down to. Shaq wants to play with LeBron, for peanuts.

Well how about this line: "If you can't stop them, outscore them!"

What made MJordan so good was the intimidation that players felt I can't miss because I sure as hell can't stop him. You saw Drexler get those embarassed BIG EYES in the finals against the Bulls. It puts a pressure on you to not miss shots. That is what the wizards are after as a team. They want to put pressure on you to keep up. Yes defense plays a role, a major role. But, no defense can stop LeBron. No defense could stop MJordan. Maybe no defense will be able to stop the Wizards.

[WizarDynasty]

Foye will be an upgrade over DeShawn. His best years are ahead of him. It also allows Nick to be first guard off the bench, because Foye will play better with Gil than Nick. Foye is more well-rounded.

I don't think you can start Foye and also give Young big minutes, especially if Miller's going to play near starter's minutes (which I think he will). If you play Foye primarily off the ball you're not going to have a lot of time for Young. The only way you can play everybody is to play Foye at the point.

I actually think Nick Young has played his last game in a Wiz uniform. Miller is a more complete player (who can probably be re-signed for a reasonable price) and Foye is a better fit next to Arenas. I also think the organization likes Stevenson's defense, toughness, and chemistry with Gil.

Actually, the more I think about it, DeBrick might actually be more likely to start if they plan to use Miller at both 2/3 spots. Shoot, I'd package Young+James for a big to try to make a run this year. Marcus Camby anyone?

Haywood/Camby
Jamison/Blatche
Butler/Miller
Stevenson/Miller
Arenas/Foye

Deep bench - McGee, McGuire, Critt, #32

That actually looks like a bigger, deeper version of the Orlando Magic. If Flip can use his zone schemes to get them to at least be average defensively they will be hard to beat. Very hard to beat.

Foye has a standing reach of 8'1 and standing 6'2 w/o shoes. Arenas is 6'2 w/o shoes at 8'3.5. Arenas is more of a shooting guard than any Randy Foye. Nick is 6'5 w/o shoes standing reach of 8'4'5.
NIck is still biggest, most versatile, defender we have at the shooting spot and will definitely see plenty of minutes guarding shooting guards that neither Arenas or Foye have problems with. Foye will be the point guard and allow arenas to switch to shooting guard when both are on the floor on defense and on offense, Gil can focus on shooting and with some play making and foye can play upgraded version of larry hughes with Nick Young (nick is a two way player in the making under Saunders) taking the toughest shooting guard assignments. Its really a rotation of those three with Miller and caron switching sometimes between teh s/g and s/f spots. We still need a bruiser coming off the bench on special occassions who can block shots and knock down the perimeter shot. Blatche and Haywood are the only strength we have on the roster but we need a big stocky cheap big like a maxiell or milisap..second round material bench player that we can get for cheap because he is undersized but still effective playing in teh second unit because he can wear down the opposing teams starting bigman fighting for boards but still be able to hit a wide open jumpshot and block shots.

[Ruzious]

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

Philly's not about to give up Brand. They just traded one big (Evans) and are talking about possibly moving Dalembert. Plus they just got their long range shooter in Kapono...and why would they need Jamison when two of their best young players (Young and Speights) are SF/PF?

And Brand is a big man with a decent high-post passer and a better-than-average 15 ft. jumper, both of which work well with EJ's offense. Philly trading us Brand is wishful thinking.

I wouldn't go after Brand; I'd much rather have Speights. Brand's contract is considerably worse than Jamison's, and he's not the player he used to be. In the games he was healthy, Philly played poorly. There was no chemistry between him and Iggy - as Brand clogged the middle, and Iggy doesn't exactly stretch defenses. They just don't blend well together - and as Iggy showed after Brand got hurt, Philly is his team.

[verbal8]

I actually think Nick Young has played his last game in a Wiz uniform. Miller is a more complete player (who can probably be re-signed for a reasonable price) and Foye is a better fit next to Arenas. I also think the organization likes Stevenson's defense, toughness, and chemistry with Gil.

Actually, the more I think about it, DeBrick might actually be more likely to start if they plan to use Miller at both 2/3 spots. Shoot, I'd package Young+James for a big to try to make a run this year. Marcus Camby anyone?

Even for championship or bust, I think Camby is a little old. Also his injury history is pretty bad. He has only played 70+ games three seasons in his career.

Haywood/Camby
Jamison/Blatche
Butler/Miller
Stevenson/Miller
Arenas/Foye

Deep bench - McGee, McGuire, Critt, #32

That actually looks like a bigger, deeper version of the Orlando Magic. If Flip can use his zone schemes to get them to at least be average defensively they will be hard to beat. Very hard to beat.

Unfortunately there is no Dwight Howard, but definitely an upgrade over past seasons.

[Brenice]

Foye will be an upgrade over DeShawn. Foye has a standing reach of 8'1 and standing 6'2 w/o shoes. Arenas is 6'2 w/o shoes at 8'3.5. Arenas is more of a shooting guard than any Randy Foye. Nick is 6'5 w/o shoes standing reach of 8'4'5.
NIck is still biggest, most versatile, defender we have at the shooting spot and will definitely see plenty of minutes guarding shooting guards that neither Arenas or Foye have problems with. Foye will be the point guard and allow arenas to switch to shooting guard when both are on the floor on defense and on offense, Gil can focus on shooting and with some play making and foye can play upgraded version of larry hughes

Size ain't everything. I think Gil will man the point. Foye will play the sidekick role in the backcourt. He will be 4th option and defender, focusing more of his energy on that side of the ball, while Gilbert focuses more on the offensive side. He ain't taking the ball out of Gilberts hands. Gil gonna control things.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Knowing Ernie & Co., this was the best deal available. I think they may end up regretting passing on Harden or Evans, though. Miller & Foye aren't Jamison, who signficantly outproduced most of the guys who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 (as measured by Win Shares). The only guy who produced more Win Shares than Jamison over the past 5 years (who would have been available to the Wiz at #5 that year) is Iguodala. The Wiz will have to make deep playoff runs within the next couple years for the front office to be happy with this trade, I think.

TSW, obviously no one knows for sure but do you see this as the last move of the off-season or would you predict another trade on the way?

I think there are additional moves to be made -- either via trade or in free agency. If they don't make a deal, I think they'll try to sign a veteran big for depth using the LLE or a portion (or perhaps all) of the MLE.

[clubbing_caveman]

...just thinking...which players on our current roster will not be good, for whatever reason, running the pick and roll? Just trying to see who will be the next trade bait...

[og15]

Yup Brand is just what we need. A vet who can score in the low post. Also Jamison and Nick Young are just what the 76ers need, two long range shooters who can stretch the defense. Plus we all know how much EJ loves Jamison

Philly's not about to give up Brand. They just traded one big (Evans) and are talking about possibly moving Dalembert. Plus they just got their long range shooter in Kapono...and why would they need Jamison when two of their best young players (Young and Speights) are SF/PF?

And Brand is a big man with a decent high-post passer and a better-than-average 15 ft. jumper, both of which work well with EJ's offense. Philly trading us Brand is wishful thinking.

yeah but EJ want's to run the entire game and Brand isn't a running bigman. EJ likes quick shots from the perimeter and running back and forth is going to be a nightmare for brand injury plagued achilles.

I wouldn't really say Brand is not a running big man, he can get up and down the floor. His problem with Philly was that Andre Miller is not a pick and roll PG, and Brand is most effective when he can run the pick and roll with his PG, and either get the ball on a pop for the side jumper or get the iso against his man.

In addition, Philly was horrible at spreading the floor last season and the man had no room to operate. I think he will be perfectly fine in an EJ offense actually with shooters on the team now. Still not so sure about him and Andre Miller though (but he is a FA).