Offical Jamal Crawford Thread

[MaceCase]

My mistake, I never saw Crawford on the bulls much (allowance didn't allow for league pass) but from viewing him on both the Knicks and Warriors I never once thought to evaluate his individual defense believing niether squad placed any emphasis..er mention..er cognizance on it.

[parson]

Wow. 3 pages on Jamal Crawford. Imagine how long this thread would be if we talking about a half-way decent player.

[watch1958]

Golden State won't get any value by trading Jamal Crawford, so they need to include a true prize, and that would be a draft pick. If they want to include a future first round pick with VERY limited protection (maybe top 2 protected) I would consider trading for him. If GS would like to include Anthony Randolph, I would be open to giving them some value, but I doubt they want to move the young man. It's going to cost them if they want to move the 20 million left on his contract.

crawford stinks, but if they have to eat his contract for two years they will eat it. they still don't have enough talent, so why trade some of what they do have to get rid of junk? Likely end up buying him out, where if he takes 70-75% he can get the rest back on an MLE deal from a team that wants him. You don't want him. You've built something nice there, why mess it up?

It isn't like he is a second or third year guy, who never got a chance to blossom in the right system. He's played for almost a decade, and the results are pretty consistent. When was the last time he was on a team that one more than 33 games? His last two teams have had two of the most chucker-friendly coaches in NBA history, and they both couldn't wait to get rid of him.

[ctorres]

Per Espn

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4284512

Awesome trade guys!

[lunarblues]

good trade for both teams if this is true.

for golden state, this clears the logjam at the 2 guard position and gives the team a more fluid lineup.

for atlanta, this makes sure that joe johnson doesn't lead the league in minutes played. also seems as though murray won't be back. could also mean that the hawks are indeed going to pick a point guard in this years draft.

good trade for both teams indeed.

it also seems that jamal crawford has to decline his ETO. which is pretty much a given. this trade works on trade checker.

could this be insurance in case marvin doesn't come back???

[ctorres]

Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson in the backcourt together could be way awesome.

Crawford at 6'5 and Johnson at 6'7 with both being capable of running the point.

[lunarblues]

it could work that way, at least for short periods of time.

sund is one sly dog, i did not see this one coming.

[HoopsGuru25]

So much for the national media's inside sources. I didn't here ANYTHING about this before right now. The Hawks get the better end in talent but I'm still a little confused. Crawford is not a pure pg but he has played there before. He eliminates the need to re-sign Flip but I can't imagine trading for him to play the 6th man role. I think he's going to be starting next year-I just don't know if it will be Marvin or Bibby's spot that he will take.

[HoopsGuru25]

I'm also holding out hope that Sund wasn't dumb enough to throw the 19th pick in there. I will wait until the situations with Bibby and Marvin play out before I can completely judge the trade(because we didn't send any talent out)-but if the 19th pick is in there along with Law... then the trade looks pretty dumb.

[livintoolive]

it also seems that jamal crawford has to decline his ETO. which is pretty much a given. this trade works on trade checker.

could this be insurance in case marvin doesn't come back???

I believe an ETO has to be explicitly exercised, not declined; it is declined by default unless the player actively exercises the option. Regardless though, there really was no chance he was going to get out of his contract early, no matter how badly GSW wanted him gone; there's no way he makes that type of money on a new contract.

[pja123]

I love this trade for the Hawks. Yes, Jamal Crawford isn't a true PG, but we don't really need a prototypical floor general with JJ. I think Crawford will mesh well with JJ and has the shooting skills to be just as productive as Bibby. Even if we lose JJ in 2010, Crawford can slide over to the 2G spot (but let's hope that scenario doesn't play out).

Best of all, we still have our first round pick (look for us to draft a wingman or big) and we have leverage over Bibby. Personally, I'd let Bibby walk and use the cap space on re-signing Marvin or going after a quality free agent (e.g. Ron Artest?).

[ATL DirtyBird]

So much for the national media's inside sources. I didn't here ANYTHING about this before right now. The Hawks get the better end in talent but I'm still a little confused. Crawford is not a pure pg but he has played there before. He eliminates the need to re-sign Flip but I can't imagine trading for him to play the 6th man role. I think he's going to be starting next year-I just don't know if it will be Marvin or Bibby's spot that he will take.

Ya im a little puzzled as well, does this mean we let Marvin walk or let Bibby walk? Either way im excited about this, atleast for now.

[HoopsGuru25]

a wingman or a big? Crawford is the only point guard on our roster and even that's a stretch. The Hawks need to draft a pg more than ever now.

[HMFFL]

Tell me Sund acquired a future first from Golden State for giving up two expiring contracts.

Jamal Crawford has never played for a winning team and he's due 9,360,000 - 10,080,000 over the next two seasons.

On a positive note I am very happy that Mike Bibby most likely won't be back.

[lunarblues]

this could be a backup plan in case one of our 1-3 positions walk, but i doubt we get a future first when we send out the equivelent of two scrubs and pick up an actual player. yes the money is up there, but that was gonna be there reguardless of the trade. this also gives us an expiring in 2011 when we have to resign horford.

[MikeRice]

a wingman or a big? Crawford is the only point guard on our roster and even that's a stretch. The Hawks need to draft a pg more than ever now.

Agreed. Draft a pg at 19 and let Marvin go or work out a sign and trade. Crawford can take Marvin's place as a scorer when Joe needs someone to step up.

[dynasty_maker]

As a bulls fan, a couple of notes on Crawford. I think its a good move. The kid has some skills and has had some bad luck, landing with some bad teams. I don't think he should be used as a starter but is solid sixth man who can play both the 1 and 2 effectively in stretches. He can score in bunches, has great handles, is a good shooter, can create his own shot, but is an awful defender who simply doesn't seem to care about playing defense. He would be best paired with a player in the backcourt who can D up the best perimeter player. He isn't a pure point, but he isn't as selfish a player as some claim. He has decent passing skills and is good at setting up guys for alley-oops and open shots.

So, that's my take for what its worth.

[They Call Me Cash]

This was a very good move. Now we need to draft a PG and let bibby kick rocks..

[ATL DirtyBird]

We need to draft Teague. I love that kid!

[tbhawksfan]

He can have any money that would've gone to Bibby. nothing against Bibby personnally, just don't like his brand of PG.

Crawford is ideal for our needs.

I think this removes any question of re-signing Bibby.

Now, what to do with Marvin? We did lose some cap space with the trade.

I think Sund has another major move in the works.