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Tyreke Evans natural position seems to be more SG than PG.
If the Kings traded Kevin Martin for a good PG, that was more of a true PG, it would give Evans the opportunity to move back to his natural position at SG, and split time with Garcia until he was comfortable, and the flexibility to play him at the PG as well with whoever we traded for.
I don't know if it's the best move to make, but I think it's worth consideration.
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If the Kings traded Kevin Martin for a good PG, that was more of a true PG, it would give Evans the opportunity to move back to his natural position at SG, and split time with Garcia until he was comfortable, and the flexibility to play him at the PG as well with whoever we traded for.
I don't know if it's the best move to make, but I think it's worth consideration.
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I personally like the idea of trading Kevin at some point. I think the fact that many NBA teams are going through hard times means that someone like Kevin who isn't being paid an outrageous or exuberant amount of money should have nice value. Of course that's also a legitimate reason to keep him.
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Yeah I agree that at some point we should probably trade him, we just need to get a young player with great value for us.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
That just happened.
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Bac2Basics wrote:Tyreke Evans natural position seems to be more SG than PG.
If the Kings traded Kevin Martin for a good PG, that was more of a true PG, it would give Evans the opportunity to move back to his natural position at SG, and split time with Garcia until he was comfortable, and the flexibility to play him at the PG as well with whoever we traded for.
I don't know if it's the best move to make, but I think it's worth consideration.
Thoughts?
Says WHO? I think of him more as a scoring Point guard, or AT LEAST a combo guard. If he has a major weakness, it's SHOOTING. He's a guard and he's going to be our starting POINT GUARD.
Martin's not going anywhere. Between Beno and Sergio as well as Evans, the Point position is COVERED. It's just not with a Point guard that you envisioned.
Memphis won 27/28 games with Evans as a POINT. I watched him DOMINATE as a Point in the NCAA tourney. He's a POINT guard for our roster.
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Question for Smills. Are you against trading Kevin in principal or against the idea of trading him for a point guard? I agree Tyreke can play the point just fine, and that the team has plenty of point guards as it is.
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agreed. Lets wait and see how this works out before we consider anything significant. We arent going to compete next year as is. Lets see if Evans can grow into what we need out of our point position. Relax gents.
Interesting, you have some ideas you would like to bounce off Brian Sabean? That's strange, I have some objects I would like to bounce off Brian Sabean.
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wiltchamberlain wrote:Question for Smills. Are you against trading Kevin in principal or against the idea of trading him for a point guard? I agree Tyreke can play the point just fine, and that the team has plenty of point guards as it is.
I'm not against trading Martin, FOR THE RIGHT DEAL. I'm opposed to the idea of trading Martin because we just drafted Tyreke Evans.
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Fair enough. I agree we shouldn't trade Martin just to clear a space for Tyreke.
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I've been leaning towards a Martin trade for the last year or so, but with drafting Evans I'm not sure that makes me want Martin traded more so because of it. I wanted to select Evans for one reason, he can dominate the point. The fact he can play both positions is even sweeter. The argument can be made that Evans is more of a one-on-one guy, which is fine, as long as Evans has the mentality of looking for the pass knowing that at any time he can drive to the rim and score. If that's the case, I think we'll all be happy. I don't see why he can't be an aggressive facilitator like Tony Parker...
But seriously I want to see the team play together with Martin first before we think about trading him. Hell, if trading him is really the consensus, the Kings should build his value and wait before the deadline to trade him so we can try to benefit from a desperate team.
But seriously I want to see the team play together with Martin first before we think about trading him. Hell, if trading him is really the consensus, the Kings should build his value and wait before the deadline to trade him so we can try to benefit from a desperate team.
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rwheeler wrote:I've been leaning towards a Martin trade for the last year or so, but with drafting Evans I'm not sure that makes me want Martin traded more so because of it. I wanted to select Evans for one reason, he can dominate the point. The fact he can play both positions is even sweeter. The argument can be made that Evans is more of a one-on-one guy, which is fine, as long as Evans has the mentality of looking for the pass knowing that at any time he can drive to the rim and score. If that's the case, I think we'll all be happy. I don't see why he can't be an aggressive facilitator like Tony Parker...
But seriously I want to see the team play together with Martin first before we think about trading him. Hell, if trading him is really the consensus, the Kings should build his value and wait before the deadline to trade him so we can try to benefit from a desperate team.
Good post. I've been leaning towards trading Martin and everybody knows about my heavy criticism of him, but now with the Evans selection, I really, really want to see them play together. I think the two together can dominate any other backcourt in the league. With that said, if good value for value comes up, then absolutely do the deal.
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Smills91 wrote:Memphis won 27/28 games with Evans as a POINT. I watched him DOMINATE as a Point in the NCAA tourney. He's a POINT guard for our roster.
This is true.
But what's also true is that Evans was absolutely useless when he was playing offball that Memphis had no choice but to move him to PG.
What is also true is this is a kid that had almost more turnovers than assists, great skill for point guards.
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deNIEd wrote:Smills91 wrote:Memphis won 27/28 games with Evans as a POINT. I watched him DOMINATE as a Point in the NCAA tourney. He's a POINT guard for our roster.
This is true.
But what's also true is that Evans was absolutely useless when he was playing offball that Memphis had no choice but to move him to PG.
What is also true is this is a kid that had almost more turnovers than assists, great skill for point guards.
He's only 19 years old, but I guess as the saying goes, you can't teach a young dog new tricks.
...wait, what?
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Wolfay wrote:deNIEd wrote:Smills91 wrote:Memphis won 27/28 games with Evans as a POINT. I watched him DOMINATE as a Point in the NCAA tourney. He's a POINT guard for our roster.
This is true.
But what's also true is that Evans was absolutely useless when he was playing offball that Memphis had no choice but to move him to PG.
What is also true is this is a kid that had almost more turnovers than assists, great skill for point guards.
He's only 19 years old, but I guess as the saying goes, you can't teach a young dog new tricks.
...wait, what?
Evans could become a great player, I'm not saying he won't, but I don't think he will ever be the best player for a team. Just like one on one, Arenas would mop the floor w/ Nash 100/100 times, but Nash's team would always beat out Arenas'.
Best players doesn't necessarily mean best team.
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Ok but what if Evans doesn't turn out like Arenas, more like D-Wade? And what happens if Arenas and the Wizards somehow eventually win a title? These comparisons are rubbish. Compare great players that have already played thier careers and won nothing. There are still chances for someone like Arenas to win. And for the record, right now Nash's team WOULD NOT beat Arenas's 

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rwheeler wrote:Ok but what if Evans doesn't turn out like Arenas, more like D-Wade? And what happens if Arenas and the Wizards somehow eventually win a title? These comparisons are rubbish. Compare great players that have already played thier careers and won nothing. There are still chances for someone like Arenas to win. And for the record, right now Nash's team WOULD NOT beat Arenas's
Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has.
There's a reason why players like Arenas don't win, they don't make their team better. Iverson, Francis, Marbury, more guys for you.
Evans may be "better" than Rubio.
But Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would all be better with Rubio than with Evans.
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deNIEd wrote:rwheeler wrote:Ok but what if Evans doesn't turn out like Arenas, more like D-Wade? And what happens if Arenas and the Wizards somehow eventually win a title? These comparisons are rubbish. Compare great players that have already played thier careers and won nothing. There are still chances for someone like Arenas to win. And for the record, right now Nash's team WOULD NOT beat Arenas's
Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has.
There's a reason why players like Arenas don't win, they don't make their team better. Iverson, Francis, Marbury, more guys for you.
Evans may be "better" than Rubio.
But Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would all be better with Rubio than with Evans.
That's funny because when Arenas was in GS, didn't he make them better? And then when he went to the Wizards, didn't he turn them into a legit team? I know he has a supporting cast in Jamison and Butler, but still I feel your comparison is rubbish since Arenas still has a chance to win someday.
Iverson, Marbury, Francis - Can't defend those guys

And your right, Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has...I was just defending the fact that his game could be more like Wade's than Arenas's. Wade is more of a aggressive scorer, while Arenas is more of a shooter. I think Evans will be more of a aggressive scorer.
Your also right, Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would probably be better with Rubio than with Evans, but who knows when that would have actaully blossomed.
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deNIEd wrote:rwheeler wrote:Ok but what if Evans doesn't turn out like Arenas, more like D-Wade? And what happens if Arenas and the Wizards somehow eventually win a title? These comparisons are rubbish. Compare great players that have already played thier careers and won nothing. There are still chances for someone like Arenas to win. And for the record, right now Nash's team WOULD NOT beat Arenas's
Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has.
There's a reason why players like Arenas don't win, they don't make their team better. Iverson, Francis, Marbury, more guys for you.
Evans may be "better" than Rubio.
But Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would all be better with Rubio than with Evans.
Unfortunately, there's no way to prove that...until NBA 2K10 comes out


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rwheeler wrote:That's funny because when Arenas was in GS, didn't he make them better? And then when he went to the Wizards, didn't he turn them into a legit team? I know he has a supporting cast in Jamison and Butler, but still I feel your comparison is rubbish since Arenas still has a chance to win someday.
Iverson, Marbury, Francis - Can't defend those guys![]()
And your right, Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has...I was just defending the fact that his game could be more like Wade's than Arenas's. Wade is more of a aggressive scorer, while Arenas is more of a shooter. I think Evans will be more of a aggressive scorer.
Your also right, Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would probably be better with Rubio than with Evans, but who knows when that would have actaully blossomed.
Okay, don't take what I say so literal lol. Of course Arenas will make a team better. Of course Iverson, Francis, Marbury, Evans, everyone with talent will make a team better. Adding a 30 point scorer will make everyone better....but it's just how much I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Guys like Nash, Kidd, Paul, etc. have the ability to turn mediocre players into good players. Good players into great players and etc. Look at what a great passing point guard in Kidd did to Moore.
Given the same team, chances are a player like Nash or Kidd would make his team much better than a guy like Arenas or Iverson.
Heck, maybe Rubio could have made Beno and Thomas look good for half a season and given us some trade value?
ACTUALLY BRILLANT IDEA, lets trade for Nash just so he can make Kenny and Beno look like allstars so we can dump them lol
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deNIEd wrote:rwheeler wrote:That's funny because when Arenas was in GS, didn't he make them better? And then when he went to the Wizards, didn't he turn them into a legit team? I know he has a supporting cast in Jamison and Butler, but still I feel your comparison is rubbish since Arenas still has a chance to win someday.
Iverson, Marbury, Francis - Can't defend those guys![]()
And your right, Evans doesn't have 1/10 the athleticism that Wade has...I was just defending the fact that his game could be more like Wade's than Arenas's. Wade is more of a aggressive scorer, while Arenas is more of a shooter. I think Evans will be more of a aggressive scorer.
Your also right, Martin, Thompson, Donte, Hawes would probably be better with Rubio than with Evans, but who knows when that would have actaully blossomed.
Okay, don't take what I say so literal lol. Of course Arenas will make a team better. Of course Iverson, Francis, Marbury, Evans, everyone with talent will make a team better. Adding a 30 point scorer will make everyone better....but it's just how much I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Guys like Nash, Kidd, Paul, etc. have the ability to turn mediocre players into good players. Good players into great players and etc. Look at what a great passing point guard in Kidd did to Moore.
Given the same team, chances are a player like Nash or Kidd would make his team much better than a guy like Arenas or Iverson.
Heck, maybe Rubio could have made Beno and Thomas look good for half a season and given us some trade value?
ACTUALLY BRILLANT IDEA, lets trade for Nash just so he can make Kenny and Beno look like allstars so we can dump them lol
No I do understand what your saying, but I just don't like people already assuming what Evans will turn out like. Right now, I'm really not even sure how we'll even use him. I figured he'd rotate between both guard positions and play against the mismatch, but who knows? Maybe he plays behind Kevin and eventually Kevin will be out. I dunno. Just give the kid a chance then we'll have more justified arguments. He'll show his true colors eventually whatever they may be.
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I think Evans will be great for this team. He can start at PG, but then play SG when Beno/Sergio come off the bench. Or, if we want to go small, he might even be able to play the SF at times...Rubio was a PG. He wasn't going to do much more than be our PG. There's absolutely NO way we could ask Rubio to guard the SG's in the western conference. He would have been like a bug against a car windshield. With Evans, we not only added our (future) starting PG, but also depth at the SG/SF position, as well.
