ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

Post #121 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:48 am

Oh man, is it going to become a portland versus the world thread? Please no.

Esohny · Post #122 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:50 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Malapropism wrote:
Portland wouldn't do that straight up.......

Portland, again with this...

Look, if your seventh man is too good to give up for the #6 pick in any draft, then truly you have the best team ever assembled.

You have Bayless and Webster to also to play minutes at back up shooting guard. Fernandez is already 24. Portland needs a PG. Flynn is a great point guard prospect. Do you really believe Fernandez 10 ppg is that irreplaceable that you wouldn't trade him for a player widely believed to be the second best point guard in this draft?

Thanks Doc, I was going to call out the major overvaluing of Fernandez, but you called it first. Not quite up to the Chandler or Duhon 6.7 level yet, but there's still time.

Malapropism · Post #123 » by **Malapropism** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:53 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Malapropism wrote:
Portland wouldn't do that straight up.......

Portland, again with this...

Look, if your seventh man is too good to give up for the #6 pick in any draft, then truly you have the best team ever assembled.

You have Bayless and Webster to also to play minutes at back up shooting guard. Fernandez is already 24. Portland needs a PG. Flynn is a great point guard prospect. Do you really believe Fernandez 10 ppg is that irreplaceable that you wouldn't trade him for a player widely believed to be the second best point guard in this draft?

It's not just that. There are a variety of reasons why Portland wouldn't do the trade. (Though they would definitely consider it.)

1.) Portland is already grooming a quick point guard in Bayless. Getting Flynn screws up the rotation, because now Flynn/Bayless/Blake are all fighting for those 48 minutes at point. If Blake gets packaged to get an upgrade at point, that would probably leave even less minutes for Bayless and Flynn, as the upgraded point guard would log heavy minutes.

2.) Portland isn't in a position to be helping a division rival solve their problem. Even if we assume Flynn is better than Fernandez, there's no question a Rubio/Fernandez backcourt is better than a Rubio/Flynn backcourt. Portland isn't going to help them balance their roster.

3.) Minnesota is in a position where they almost have to trade one of their two point guards. Rubio has threatened to go back to Spain, and imo, it's partially because of the presence of Flynn. The Wolves aren't in a position to be demanding, or asking for additional value. If all else fails, other teams can just leave them be and watch Rubio/Flynn battle it out while Minnesota loses games. Portland would be demanding Rubio in a trade, not Flynn.

Krapinsky · Post #124 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:53 am

BrooklynBulls wrote:Oh man, is it going to become a portland versus the world thread? Please no.

Believe me, I hear you. That could make me miss your NY brotheren really quick

EDIT: Yeah, it's really just not worth it. I'm just going to let this one pass.

SadKingsFan · Post #125 » by **SadKingsFan** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:45 am

Good luck guys, hope everything works out for both our teams. Sounds like this is going to be a long drawn out mess.

Post #126 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:54 am

Just talked to someone earlier who said we are not looking to trade either guy. We are very sincere about keeping them both. We feel with Rubio's size he is better set to defend SG once he gets some strength. He was a great euro defender. Flynn defends the pg and offense will just be frickin pretty.

The issue is more a matter of the buyout and when he comes over. We are not looking to move him and would only move him if we are blown away by a trade. If we felt we had to move him it would have already happened.

Esohny · Post #127 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:23 am

Good to hear. Flynn says he's going to be in the gym until the season starts, shooting, hopefully Rubio does the same, for whenever he comes over.

Tirion · Post #128 » by **Tirion** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:31 am

Rubio just said that if he stays in Europe he’ll only play for Joventut, in an interview to a Catalunya radio statio, RAC1:

Raül LLimós: – Si haguessis de tornar a Europa, Ricky, la teva única opció es la PENYA?
Ricky Rubio: – Si, exacte, la meva única opció es la penya

RL- Ricky, if you stay in Europe, is la Penya your only option?
RR- Yes, exactly, la Penya is my only option.

(la Penya is Joventut Badalona’s nickname).

That’s the same answer Rubio gave to TVE:

Lo único que parece tener claro es que si finalmente tiene que quedarse en España será para jugar en el DKV Joventut. “Por supuesto”, respondió tajante. “Como ya he dicho siempre mi casa está en Badalona y si tengo que volver hay muchas opciones de que sea a Badalona”, reiteró.

The only thing clear is that if he eventually stays in Spain, it will be to play in DKV Joventut. “Sure”, answered, adamant. “As I’ve always said, my home is in Badalona and if I have to come back it’s going to be to Badalona”.

another important fact that nobody here seems to know is that Rubio’s buyout goes up from 4.7 to 5.7 million euros on july (1st).
another piece of news i heard last night in the spanish radio is that rubio’s club maybe agrees to negotiate the buyout if ricky drops the lawsuit that’s due to be on court on October 14.
There is apparently a previous verbal arrangement that says that if Ricky pays the buyout next season (before july 1) the buyout would be halfed if it’s paid by him (meaning only if he goes to the NBA, if he goes to another european team it wouldn’t be reduced one cent).
Both spanish powerhouses won’t pay 4.7 (and even less 5.7) million euros for the pleasure of having rubio bolting for the nba next year.

Tirion · Post #129 » by **Tirion** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:34 am

From what I'm hearing everyone: his former team, Spain IRS, his family and Ricky himself, all will be much better off if he plays in NBA next season. All this staying in Europe talk is just posturing. Kahn just needs to wait this one out.

Post #130 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:36 am

exactly. could not say it better. it is not a matter of rubio not liking the wolves. but rather his buy out would be much, much easier with a top 3 contract or big market endorsements. He can still get endorsements but in the short term needs to worry about the buy out. Best thing Kahn can do is wait and be patient and that is what he is preaching. If Flynn and Rubio are your BPA and you feel they work, then lets see it.

ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 · Post #131 » by **ShowtimeDynasty_24/7** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:41 am

Lakers fan here...

Looks like you guys are in sticky a situation. IMO Kahn f'ed up. I think he got a little cocky with his two picks and the fact that he gambled that Rubio would fall into his lap. In all seriousness you guys really set yourselves up to succeed. The trade was perfect. The gamble was perfect. You even did the right thing by selecting Rubio. But it was the 6th pick in which Kahn put the entire organization at risk. You can blame it on a number of things. Inexperience, cockiness, and even the fact that you guys have no coach. When you draft someone like Rubio, you do everything to accomodate him. He is a potential franchise player. But Kahn messed up and took Flynn just 5 minutes later. That made sense to no one. In all honesty, all you guys had to do was pick Stephen Curry and you guys would have had a great nucleus. But even if Flynn is the highest on your board you have to know that they won't sit well with Rubio and company who really don't want to come anyway. And now their aren't that many teams lining up for Rubio. And the teams who are don't have great offers. So now you are pretty much stuck with Flynn and thats it. Right now that trade was Foye and Miller for Flynn. Hardly a good trade. Its even funnier trying to watch Kahn justify the trade by saying you all could play Rubio and Flynn in the backcourt together. Is that a joke? Well Rubio's no laughing. I hope you guys get out of this hole, but its not looking good. Good luck...

Post #132 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:49 am

IMO you have not read the whole thread, credible wolves media sites, or done anything but repeat the same big market crap ESPN repeats all day.

One again. How does Curry fit and Flynn does not? Flynn is a better defender and has proven he can play without the ball in his hands. Curry wants to be a ball dominate pg. His usage rate was iverson like. Flynn is a scorer that defends the pg. Rubio is the playmaker that defends the SG (6'5 as an 18 yr old)

Please read some of the threads before you just repeat the same boring arguments your NY friends have been using.

FairDinkum · Post #133 » by **FairDinkum** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:52 am

I wish we could just fast forward so that everyone can see that this won't play out as the disaster everyone is making it out to be

The next 3 months are going to be brutal on this board

Post #134 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:42 am

yup.

But NY and LAL fans have short attention spans, and I personally think this issue is resolved before we are to the summer leagues.

IndoViking · Post #135 » by **IndoViking** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:01 am

FairDinkum wrote:I wish we could just fast forward so that everyone can see that this won't play out as the disaster everyone is making it out to be

The next 3 months are going to be brutal on this board

Yeah...and to think that i joined posting at this exact time... :lol:

Devilzsidewalk · Post #136 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:55 am

Malapropism wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Malapropism wrote:
Portland wouldn't do that straight up.......

Portland, again with this...

Look, if your seventh man is too good to give up for the #6 pick in any draft, then truly you have the best team ever assembled.

You have Bayless and Webster to also to play minutes at back up shooting guard. Fernandez is already 24. Portland needs a PG. Flynn is a great point guard prospect. Do you really believe Fernandez 10 ppg is that irreplaceable that you wouldn't trade him for a player widely believed to be the second best point guard in this draft?

It's not just that. There are a variety of reasons why Portland wouldn't do the trade. (Though they would definitely consider it.)

1.) Portland is already grooming a quick point guard in Bayless. Getting Flynn screws up the rotation, because now Flynn/Bayless/Blake are all fighting for those 48 minutes at point. If Blake gets packaged to get an upgrade at point, that would probably leave even less minutes for Bayless and Flynn, as the upgraded point guard would log heavy minutes.

2.) Portland isn't in a position to be helping a division rival solve their problem. Even if we assume Flynn is better than Fernandez, there's no question a Rubio/Fernandez backcourt is better than a Rubio/Flynn backcourt. Portland isn't going to help them balance their roster.

3.) Minnesota is in a position where they almost have to trade one of their two point guards. Rubio has threatened to go back to Spain, and imo, it's partially because of the presence of Flynn. The Wolves aren't in a position to be demanding, or asking for additional value. If all else fails, other teams can just leave them be and watch Rubio/Flynn battle it out while Minnesota loses games. Portland would be demanding Rubio in a trade, not Flynn.

1. Bayless has shown nothing to indicate he's ready to be the starting PG anytime soon

2. PDX is the contender here, not the Wolves, and they have a huge hole at PG, we'd be doing you a lot bigger favor help you balance your roster by trading and excess SG for your starting PG for the next 10 years. Frankly I have no problem with Portland spending the next 3 years developing Bayless, that'd make me ecstatic.

3. MN really doesn't have to do anything, Rubio has set it in his mind and all his peers that he's gonna play in the NBA, if he goes back to Spain he's hurting himself more than Minnesota. Worst case scenario is Rubio refuses to ever come to Minnesota, but he'll still have great trade value for the next 6 years and good value for 4 years after that. Trade him to New York in 4 years, they'll probably have something worthwhile by then and Rubio is still only 22 and that much more seasoned. Bottom line is its the #5 pick in the draft and I don't think the Wolves FO is losing sleep over not getting Curry.

bryz1 · Post #137 » by **bryz1** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:55 am

I thins Kings should draft him ( He probably wants to play there). First and the best option for him is stay in Minny and play there now and get trade after year or two to the bigger market. Or i Thins second the best option for him is being trade to the Raps and play with Derozan as a rookie:) Raps have good and big market,grat city, and very proffesional team.

But in my opinion he should go to NBA now not wait 2 years

Jmonty580 · Post #138 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:02 pm

This whole situation is beyond a major screw up. This kid will not play for Minny ever after all of this stuff. Even if in 2 or 3 years flynn is gone, he'll just stay over seas forever or until his right are traded to a team that he is interested in playing for. This dude is going over seas and never coming to the NBA. Even if he did go to the T-wolves, I bet he would play like a$$ just to get traded lol. How do you through away a pick like that? Horrible horrible. Glad im not a minny fan.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #139 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:09 pm

Jmonty580 wrote: Glad im not a minny fan.

conversely, I'm glad I'm not (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Devilzsidewalk · Post #140 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:14 pm

by the way, any other teenagers that want to try and troll their way to victory, I'm ready for you.
I'm pretty much free all day, so lets do this.