MN/PHX trade idea

[Winter Wonder]

Trade idea that looks close to myself, though Phx may think it is light. The hard part about a phx trade is not knowing the other deals that are in the works. I haven't heard what happened with GS and PHX with the Amare/Bierdins trade. This trade works better if that is in place, admittedly, but may still be of interest to the Suns otherwise.

MN out, PHX in

Rights to #6 PG J. Flynn
PF C. Smith 2.5, 2.3 million (this last season and next season salary)
(Near/2010) Future 2nd round pick

PHX out, MN in

Rights to #14 SF E. Clark
C R. Lopez 1.6, 1.7 million
SG J. Dudley 1.2, 1.3 million

Dudley was included to try and shave some salary. Both Lopez and Dudley have team options beyond next season.

Reason for PHX would be to groom Nash's replacement while picking up an inexpensive PF (C. Smith) to use next to Bierdins or Amare who would man the center position. Bierdins works better due to the defensively challenged frontcourt that Smith and Amare would create. If PHX doesn't have a young center to go forward though, it makes far less sense to trade away Ro. Lo.

I guess I am trying to check on value and to see if it is a close to fair trade. As a MN fan, I absolutely do this. Defensive minded center, check. SG/Wing to help with our rotation next season, check. Athletic SF(/PF) prospect, check. Everything hinted at that MN needs.

Another question, if it is Rubio instead of Flynn going out, does MN have any inclination of doing it? I think it is a good deal for the Suns with Flynn, but with Rubio, they couldn't refuse, could they? I would rather it be Flynn, but not sure how others valued it.

[FairDinkum]

If we wanted Clark we would have drafted him
Lopez is trash
Dudley is trash

As for Rubio, unless he demands a trade or we get offered an amazing deal, he's staying

Earl Clark isn't getting Ricky Rubio

[tvwolves7]

If we wanted Clark we would have drafted him
Lopez is trash
Dudley is trash

As for Rubio, unless he demands a trade or we get offered an amazing deal, he's staying

Earl Clark isn't getting Ricky Rubio

Unless he edited his post, he is stating we trade Flynn. Personally, I would rather the see Flynn on our team then Clark.

[FairDinkum]

If we wanted Clark we would have drafted him
Lopez is trash
Dudley is trash

As for Rubio, unless he demands a trade or we get offered an amazing deal, he's staying

Earl Clark isn't getting Ricky Rubio

Unless he edited his post, he is stating we trade Flynn. Personally, I would rather the see Flynn on our team then Clark.

At the end of his post he asks another question if the deal would change if we flip/flopped Flynn for Rubio

I rejected both offers

[tvwolves7]

If we wanted Clark we would have drafted him
Lopez is trash
Dudley is trash

As for Rubio, unless he demands a trade or we get offered an amazing deal, he's staying

Earl Clark isn't getting Ricky Rubio

Unless he edited his post, he is stating we trade Flynn. Personally, I would rather the see Flynn on our team then Clark.

At the end of his post he asks another question if the deal would change if we flip/flopped Flynn for Rubio

I rejected both offers

Ah thanks, I did a quick read through it and missed that

[BVPN]

Is Barbosa worth Rubio?

[wolves_fan_82au]

Is Barbosa worth Rubio?

i dont think so ,barbosa the type u get late in a draft ,while rubio is a game changer who could be as good as nash/kidd

[tvwolves7]

Is Barbosa worth Rubio?

No, more would have to be involved. As stated by the Star Tribune:

"As proof, Kahn said three NBA executives called Friday to inquire about Rubio's availability. One, according to Kahn, named a player on his team who was untouchable and told Kahn to pick any other two players on the roster in exchange for Rubio's rights."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolve ... page=2&c=y

Obviously have no idea which team that is and the players that would be available but there are better offers out there atm if Kahn decided to go that route.

[Klomp]

Is Barbosa worth Rubio?

Definitely not. Overpaid, and an undersized 2-guard.

[Foye]

I actually don't think this trade is way off.

Lopez might develop help with his D and compliment well next to AL and Love. Sure he didn't do much in Phoenix last season but I think he can be a decent C with good defense which is what we need.
I also like Earl Clark I think he will be a good SF/PF in the league and would fit well here in Minnesota because he would add some length to our lineup and would get significant minutes at the SF spot (Brewer can play a lot SG - and Gomes is not really the answer of our problems).

I would probably agree to this trade if it was sure that Rubio will play for our team this upcoming season but since it is not I'll have to decline. Would probably not do that trade with Rubio going out because I think he has more value around the league than Flynn has and we could get a better offer if we wanted to move him.

Don't think your offer would be enough to get Flynn though because I think Flynn is regarded very highly in our FO, especially Kahn seems to love Flynn.

[Winter Wonder]

MY thoughts were similar Foye. If up to me it would be Flynn if anyone. My question was what we thought PHX would think. They do still have Nash, but they have to be looking for someone for the future and I don't believe they think Barbosa is a PG by any stretch either. If they did the Bierdins trade, their roster balances better with a scoring PF and young PG with the center and wings from GS.

For MN, the points you made on Clark and RoLo were exactly what I was thinking, plus they are young and Dudley is a cheap stop gap at a bench SG /rotation wing ala Snyder and Carney the last two years. And we could let Dudley walk after next season I believe as his contract has a team option for 2010.

I was just trying to fill some needs as determined pre-draft, though we wouls still need to take care of the SG spot longterm.

[revprodeji]

Lopez would be the 10th big man if he was in next years draft. THINK LONG TERM next year we answer the big man issue with pekovic and possibly Aldrich.

Keep Flynn.

[Krapinsky]

Lopez would be the 10th big man if he was in next years draft. THINK LONG TERM next year we answer the big man issue with pekovic and possibly Aldrich.

Keep Flynn.

Yes Rev. We need to keep spreading this long term thinking. Why is our fan base so ADD?

[Winter Wonder]

Well, realize that next year is much better in terms of post prospects, but as indicated, thoughts were for the defensive big, but also Earl Clark who I probably let the hype get to me on. He would have been an interesting addition to a running MN team.

[revprodeji]

The goal of the front office is to add as much concentrated value as possible. This means combining assets not moving an asset for pieces. We could care less about the record next year as this is a long term project. Keep that in mind before any trade is posted. We likely do not trade ANYTHING unless it involves positioning us better with long term foundational assets.

[wolves_fan_82au]

so why trade Nick Calathes for ? he could of been good value for a team in the next year or 2