Say hello to the newest sun: Stephen Curry

delsol650 · Post #701 » by **delsol650** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:32 pm

There something wierd about this whole amare to GSW thing..

GSW has NEVER made trade being made in public.... all there trades were always out of left field. No one knew about it till it was done. Look at all or most of the GSW trades they came out of no where.

Our FO works in a shield of secrecy like the alumnati. which is why this is so baffling to me that GSW FO would allow all this trade being made public and let out who is being traded... :dontknow:

rly723 · Post #702 » by **rly723** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:38 pm

An Amare trade is still a possibility, but forget curry. He's staying there, i dont know what other confirmation you need since its been reported by multiple beat writers in papers from AZ, the bay area, etc. I dont see any incentive by the warriors to have a fake hoax press conference and then have him gona a week later. They said he'll be their pg, so if anything this leaves monta ellis future situation in question. If suns fans are really convinced there is a better offer out there than biedrins/wright/belinelli/buke...go ahead and find one.

Marco Milic · Post #703 » by **Marco Milic** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:42 pm

Frank, you should get a gig with The Economist. That's some fine reading. I'm personally forcing myself to reserve judgment until the trade happens/doesn't happen because I gal-darn guarantee NO ONE knows how it's going down yet. If Kerr doesn't know (which he doesn't), Amare's cousin's roommate surely doesn't either. I'm not a Kerr fan, but I'm hoping against hope he gets this right.

One thing that's making it difficult to root for the Suns as hard as I used to is, in dramatic terms, the lack of protagonist. A few years ago, it was the whole trailblazing group. Then everyone started getting kind of bored and poopy, and it was really Mike D. Then Mike left and it was a very mopey Steve Nash. I guess I'd say it's Gentry at this moment in time. How far we've fallen... Who's the person you guys root hardest, most personally for on this team?

BobbieL · Post #704 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:48 pm

rly723 wrote:An Amare trade is still a possibility, but forget curry. He's staying there, i dont know what other confirmation you need since its been reported by multiple beat writers in papers from AZ, the bay area, etc. I dont see any incentive by the warriors to have a fake hoax press conference and then have him gona a week later. They said he'll be their pg, so if anything this leaves monta ellis future situation in question. If suns fans are really convinced there is a better offer out there than biedrins/wright/belinelli/buke...go ahead and find one.

I think a trade of Biedrins/Wright/Buke and Belinelli would have merit if Brandon Wright were to play to the potential he showed in college and the 8th pick. As with Biedrins and Buke, you are getting sold players who know their roles; Bellinell - probably a good player in time as a shooter off the bench. But if Wright were to "blossom" into a solid double figure scorer/rebound type at the 3-4 - then as you state, it might be the best offer.

If I am the Suns though, I still try for Curry or Randolph but in the end this might be the best offer for Amare and I do prefer over Tyrus Thomas and that Bulls stuff and I prefer over the Warriors if it was Jamison and the 5th pick. The NBA is about veterans - not rookies.. I just hope that GSW didn't pull a fast one and was ready to give up the 7th pick because they thought Curry would be gone. Thats pretty effing lame really - -"oh oh we didn't know he would be there, pull back." When in reality, the trade should have been contigent on a list of players the Warriors give to the Suns that they really wanted. The Suns didn't have enough ammo to trade up and get a Top 5 without using Stoudemire so its not like the Suns could have traded up for a top 5 pick ahead of GSW to get somebody on the Warriors list AND then make a SToudemire trade to GSW.

starbosa10 · Post #705 » by **starbosa10** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:51 pm

barbosa. he plays his heart out and genuinely cares about basketball and the suns fans

justinb80 · Post #706 » by **justinb80** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:51 pm

delsol650 wrote:There something wierd about this whole amare to GSW thing..

GSW has NEVER made trade being made in public.... all there trades were always out of left field. No one knew about it till it was done. Look at all or most of the GSW trades they came out of no where.

Our FO works in a shield of secrecy like the alumnati. which is why this is so baffling to me that GSW FO would allow all this trade being made public and let out who is being traded...

This is kinda strange. I know everyone loves to say "Where there's smoke, there's fire" but often, the most-rumored trades don't come to fruition, and the ones that do aren't talked about until right before they're completed, such as the Carter-to-Magic and Jefferson-to-Spurs trades. SOME talked-about trades do happen, though, like Shaq-to-Cavs and Milicic-to-Knicks.

Marco Milic · Post #707 » by **Marco Milic** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:54 pm

starbosa10 wrote:barbosa. he plays his heart out and genuinely cares about basketball and the suns fans

I can see that. I love Barbs too (and he did a better job of chinning up than Nash last season).

collidingNeurons · Post #708 » by **collidingNeurons** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:00 pm

BobbieL wrote:
rly723 wrote:An Amare trade is still a possibility, but forget curry. He's staying there, i dont know what other confirmation you need since its been reported by multiple beat writers in papers from AZ, the bay area, etc. I dont see any incentive by the warriors to have a fake hoax press conference and then have him gona a week later. They said he'll be their pg, so if anything this leaves monta ellis future situation in question. If suns fans are really convinced there is a better offer out there than biedrins/wright/belinelli/buke...go ahead and find one.

I think a trade of Biedrins/Wright/Buke and Belinelli would have merit if Brandon Wright were to play to the potential he showed in college and the 8th pick. As with Biedrins and Buke, you are getting sold players who know their roles; Bellinell - probably a good player in time as a shooter off the bench. But if Wright were to "blossom" into a solid double figure scorer/rebound type at the 3-4 - then as you state, it might be the best offer.

If I am the Suns though, I still try for Curry or Randolph but in the end this might be the best offer for Amare and I do prefer over Tyrus Thomas and that Bulls stuff and I prefer over the Warriors if it was Jamison and the 5th pick. The NBA is about veterans - not rookies.. I just hope that GSW didn't pull a fast one and was ready to give up the 7th pick because they thought Curry would be gone. Thats pretty effing lame really - -"oh oh we didn't know he would be there, pull back." When in reality, the trade should have been contigent on a list of players the Warriors give to the Suns that they really wanted. The Suns didn't have enough ammo to trade up and get a Top 5 without using Stoudemire so its not like the Suns could have traded up for a top 5 pick ahead of GSW to get somebody on the Warriors list AND then make a SToudemire trade to GSW.

this is exactly the type of thinking i am praying kerr doesnt fall into. I'd rather they just restart the process somewhere else than to get obviously punked in a deal that seems to have been agreed to in principle and then changed after the fact. Reputation is everything in negotiations and if he gets out maneuvered here, it will effect every deal he makes in the future.. hell I'd rather they lose hm for nothing even and just redirect his salary to free agents than to accept the red headed step child treatment.

funlle · Post #709 » by **funlle** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:10 pm

I think we should just keep Amare. Do we have risk? Certainly, as he could get injured again......play out his contract and walk.....etc.

We still have the possibility, assuming no injury, of a sign and trade as we can offer him the most money. I just don't think you do a deal for AB, Wright and Marco. Wright will end up being just an ok player, nothing special. The NBA is littered with high draft picks who never did anything of merit. Marco is a nice role play and you can always find this type of player via free agency. Sometimes we tend to get excited by 3 for 1 trade offers. I think this trade boils down to Amare for AB and that makes no sense. The Warrior fans overvalue him. He's a nice player and I would love to have him. However, this is not a player that will ever be an "all NBA" type of player as is Amare.

Warrior fans should certainly worry about his injuries although he clearly has come back from the knee injury and was an all star after the injury. The eye injury is serious, but more of a fluke. Wearing goggles will eliminate further issues.

I can understand why the Warrior fans hope to do a trade for pennies on the dollar but it just won't happen. Sarver and Kerr know they are risking the rest of the fan base by giving away Amare. It just won't happen. It's funny but the Warriors board seems, in general, to make Don Nelson out to be this incredible genius and will school Kerr on the trade. Because he could take advantage of Kerr doesn't make him a genius. The Warriors will continue to be an intertaining thing, much better than we are, but they won't advance far in the playoffs and I contend they won't make the playoffs with their current roster. Again, I would much rather have their team than ours although if we keep Nash and Amare, we can make the playoffs.

So, as others said, we make a play for Tyson Chandler. Yes, I hate is contract but it is not like we are a destination for any of the 2010 free agents.

chefsunsfan7 · Post #710 » by **chefsunsfan7** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:11 pm

I agree completely, the Warriors spare parts are not enough. Amare is an all nba center and when you trade someone like that for other players that have potential (i.e. Wright, Curry, Beli, Randolph) you dont settle for third best when you are trading your best player. Thats the key in my opinion. The warriors have a bunch of untested parts and thats fine, but you dont trade your best player for their third best untested player.

rly723 · Post #711 » by **rly723** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:11 pm

Nothing was agreed on IMO. By the reaction of both teams, no one expected curry to be at 7. Warriors said they had curry as the 2nd best player after griffin. The only reason he fell is the minn screw up and teams ranking evans/flynn higher. IMO amare would be a warrior right now, if the choice at 7 was hill or jennings. the Curry dropping changed plans. Whether its a deal breaker we'll see or they can work around it. I also do not think amare gave them a guarantee of signing an extension which is also a deal breaker. If amare says he wants to test free agency you can expect suns will not get the expected trade return.

Post #712 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:12 pm

Can somebody convince me that Curry is going to be any better than Ben Gordon?

Gorilla Warfare · Post #713 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:14 pm

In order for Curry to be better then Gordon he's gonna need to add about 15lbs of muscle to his physique, if he can't do that then he is just going to be JJ Reddick.

ruiner · Post #714 » by **ruiner** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:17 pm

There's no turning back now. Amare's going somewhere whether it's to GS or not.

And if it's to GS, we're getting one of Curry or Randolph (who we originally wanted). No other way around it no matter what some of you say.

collidingNeurons · Post #715 » by **collidingNeurons** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:17 pm

the sticking point for me isnt even this Curry kid, he was shut down by physical play the couple times i saw him play. The issue for me is our GM and the bang up job he is doing at making himself and this organization look weak, short sighted and not really interested in competing on the same level as the respected franchises of the league.

chefsunsfan7 · Post #716 » by **chefsunsfan7** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:19 pm

I'm not convinced Curry is going to be great either, but I think he has a good chance to be. I like Randolph much more. I really think we should step away from the warriors and their offers. I really do think we can do better than Wright and Biedrens plus a shooter. We need a player that has more potential. If we don't get that offer I would rather let Amare walk or trade him at the dead line.

Frank Lee · Post #717 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:32 pm

but often, the most-rumored trades don't come to fruition, and the ones that do aren't talked about until right before they're completed, such as the Carter-to-Magic and Jefferson-to-Spurs trades.

is it any wonder WHY we did not 'hear' about these trades until their completion ??? Those organizations keep their cards close to their chest. They don't back-pat themselves while the negotiations are going on. They realize the importance of having a dedicated, secure staff.
They act like 'they have been there before'.

SOME talked-about trades do happen, though, like Shaq-to-Cavs and Milicic-to-Knicks.

hmmm... a similarities ? Suns/Kerr/Knicks/D'Ant need I remind y'all how we had Salmons signed and ready for a intro press conference ?

loose lips...... you know the rest.

collidingNeurons wrote:The issue for me is our GM and the bang up job he is doing at making himself and this organization look weak, short sighted and not really interested in competing on the same level as the respected franchises of the league.

baddabing

Post #718 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:33 pm

Regarding the Salmons thing, didn't he say "God" told him not to play in PHX? You can't really compete with that kind of self-grandeur haha

Post #719 » by **TASTIC** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:39 pm

why do I picture Kerr sittin in his office twiddling his thumbs and tapping his knee furiously...getting his hand on the phone then taking it off...playing the cliche role of desperate girl asking "why won't he call? Maybe I should call him? Do i look fat in this dress? Did I come off desperate?"

ugh

he better not give it all up on the first date

chrice · Post #720 » by **chrice** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:40 pm

Get Nashty wrote:In order for Curry to be better then Gordon he's gonna need to add about 15lbs of muscle to his physique, if he can't do that then he is just going to be JJ Reddick.

The main thing is whether or not Curry can be a legit point guard. That's where Gordon and JJ are weak. Teams end up having to use them at the 2 guard spot and going undersize, kind of like us with Barbosa. If Curry can run the point, he won't need to add too much more weight to compete. If he can't, then we're in trouble.