Millsap Market Value

Post #1 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:02 pm

His Unclagent says he wants what David Lee is seeking (reportedly $10M/year). What will the market say?

First of all, in this economy we don't know what Lee will get; Second, I don't think Paul has proved as much as David Lee has. Another free agent to watch is Brandon Bass. I think Millsap ends up somewhere between the two.

carrottop12 · Post #2 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:05 pm

It will be a base of 6 with 9 at the max.

He should ditch his uncle to tell you the truth, sounds like he's not going to get the best value for himself otherwise.

3-5 year deal with a 7 million dollar average is what Millsap deserves.

Phenom415 · Post #3 » by **Phenom415** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:05 pm

Personally, I place the two of them in pretty equal stead. Be that as it may, I think they're smoking crack if either of them think they're getting $10M per.

David Ginola 14 · Post #4 » by **David Ginola 14** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:07 pm

10 milion...?
I'm sorry but no thanks....

outerspacefella · Post #5 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:08 pm

Millsap's uncle talked about Elton Brand too.... gosh... 80M 5 years

Paul should take a true agent methinks; his uncle's killing him...
10M per yer? That's crazy. Wish you well Paul...

majortripps69 · Post #6 » by **majortripps69** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:09 pm

outerspacefella wrote:Millsap's uncle talked about Elton Brand too.... gosh... 80M 5 years
Paul should take a true agent methinks; his uncle's killing him...
10M per yer? That's crazy. Wish you well Paul...

As sad as it may be, Millsap CAN get 10M per season somewhere, it just won't be here.

carrottop12 · Post #7 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:54 pm

Millsap won't get 10 Million anywhere.

Three teams have enough to offer that and it's Detroit, Memphis and OKC. All three should be interested, but there are a few reasons I don't see them willing to do it.

1. One of these teams is going to sign David Lee, meaning there really are probably only 2 teams out there that will have money for Millsap.

2. OKC with all their young talent isn't going to wrap up a bunch of money in Millsap knowing they are going to have to sign big extensions for a least a few of their currents players during the lifetime of Millsap's contract. No way they give him double digit millions.

3. Detroit won't overpay drastically for someone like Millsap when they already have Maxiell on board. No need to go overboard for a guy with a lot to prove yet.

4. Gordon, Boozer and Turkoglu are all going to be bigger FA names then Paul. Then mix in Lee and you just don't have a lot of free agent money left over.

The Jazz are smart to offer Paul a deal right out of the gate, say this is whats on the table, if you find someone willing to beat that then we'll let you walk.

Post #8 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:14 pm

Bat wrote:The Jazz are smart to offer Paul a deal right out of the gate, say this is whats on the table, if you find someone willing to beat that then we'll let you walk.

It would be foolish of the Jazz to offer ultimatums like that. If they offer him X and Detroit offers him X + $1M (total) they'd be stupid not to match.

The Jazz have a pretty simple job here: wait for someone to offer him something, see what he does, then decide whether that's a fair price. I can't see how negotiations before he has a better idea of his market value will help either side.

outerspacefella · Post #9 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:22 pm

majortripps69 wrote:As sad as it may be, Millsap CAN get 10M per season somewhere, it just won't be here.

Probably there's a team willing to overpay; if that's the case just let him get his bulky paychecks and enjoy his basketball career; he's a hard working young man, a good profesional, a very good player, so I think he might well deserve it... yet somewhere else.
I think 7+7+8+8+9M 5 years, with ETO and TO is more than a fair deal an dthe jazz should not go any futher; he'd be collecting 22M with the choice to test FA waters again at 26 or to cash 17M more and be a FA at 28.

carrottop12 · Post #10 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:23 pm

KOC has already stated that he has an offer for Millsap that they will talk about as soon as the Free Agent Period opens up. The Jazz said Millsap has been loyal to them and they want to reward him for it.

The Jazz shouldn't play the wait and see card. Show him what you want to offer him. He can still go shop around, but he has to realize that the Jazz also have Boozer as an option, and David Lee. Also the longer he waits the less likely it is that he gets big money.

My guess is he and the Jazz work out a deal pretty quickly.

Post #11 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:50 pm

The Jazz should front load a big chunk for next year and then go to market value for the rest of the contract. He played well while making a fraction of his peers. If nothing else a show of loyalty is good for the free agent reputation of the Jazz.

outerspacefella · Post #12 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:58 pm

I agree that hard work and character shoud be rewarded with loyalty and fairness, yet to go further than 5 years 38-39M it's too much for Utah. Jazz were fair with Millsap as a second rounder, betting on him and extending a 3 year contract, giving him his share of deserved PT and helping to make his case.

carrottop12 · Post #13 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:20 pm

If I were the Jazz I'd start with a 3 year 24 million dollar contract and give him the options of having it front loaded, back loaded or Equal through out. 8 million dollars is a ton for a guy whose only started 41 games in his career.

The Jazz also need to realize that Ronnie Brewers extension is coming up also and they don't want to set too high of a precedent for the salaries of young talent.

Post #14 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:37 pm

I don't know why this isn't done more, but, I'd try to do it for every contract I signed.

Have a buyout for the last year.

It increases the trade value tremendously.

I wouldn't mind a deal where Millsap gets 50mil over 5 years as long as that last year has a buyout of 1.5 mil or something.

Just my take and the direction I'd try to shoot for if I was teh GM.

Post #15 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:40 pm

Maybe buyout isn't the exact term. I think there is a way to get teh contract to come off the books completely. Even when you are counting accounting for salary cap and luxury tax. That's waht I mean even if the wording isn't correct.

GP · Post #16 » by GP » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:28 am

If millsap can get 10mil/yr, he should definitely take it, I have no problem with his uncle stating they want 10mil/yr. Its a business. That being said, he isn't worth that much and I hope the jazz agree.

erudite23 · Post #17 » by **erudite23** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:46 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Maybe buyout isn't the exact term. I think there is a way to get teh contract to come off the books completely. Even when you are counting accounting for salary cap and luxury tax. That's waht I mean even if the wording isn't correct.

What you're referring to is called a partial-guarantee. That means that only a certain dollar amount of the contract is guaranteed, usually for the last year. Many times it comes as a result of performance escalators (and the failure to meet them), although sometimes it is simply written into the language of the contract. Two examples of this are the Bruce Bowen and Jerry Stackhouse contracts. I might be willing to do that, as well....although most players don't usually go for it, as it puts them in a position where the club holds all the power.

bstein14 · Post #18 » by **bstein14** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:37 pm

You can put in performance based incentives that are considered "unlikely" that don't count against the cap.

I know this was the case for Ben Wallace w/ Detroit.

Also, they can be team based. So a player can make $0.5 million if and only if their team reaches the conference finals per say.

babyjax13 · Post #19 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:38 pm

I think that Millsap is not worth that kind of money. Right now the guys getting that 10 million include Antawn Jamison, Pau Gasol, Josh Smith and Nene. The only one that Millsap can compete with talent wise is Nene, and I think we all know whether or not he is worth that kind of money. I say give him the kind of contract Chris Wilcox got in his prime (biggest pay day I think was 7.25 million). If he doesn't accept it let him walk.

Post #20 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:34 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I think that Millsap is not worth that kind of money. Right now the guys getting that 10 million include Antawn Jamison, Pau Gasol, Josh Smith and Nene. The only one that Millsap can compete with talent wise is Nene, and I think we all know whether or not he is worth that kind of money. I say give him the kind of contract Chris Wilcox got in his prime (biggest pay day I think was 7.25 million). If he doesn't accept it let him walk.

I agree; and while he's not more talented, Nene gets more than Millsap because he's bigger and can play center.