Twist draft 2nd round (Vintage...get off your butt)

[Teddy KGB]

Teddy KGB vs bryant -> thanks! Teddy KGB is right up there with Tyler Durden as my favourite movie characters of all time.

Roster [projected minutes in parenthesis]:

A Bogut [25]/T Murphy [23]
K Garnett [30]/P Millsap [18]
C Anthony [35]/R Fernandez [13]
S Jackson [25]/B Gordon [23]
T Parker [30]/R Alston [10]/B Gordon [8]

Going with the same line-up as last round so as to benefit the chemistry of the team. Note: If Ben Gordon is noticably on fire [which is very noticeable indeed, he will get more minutes than Jackson].
Another Note: We will be playing a very slowpaced, half court game. I will be relying on Tony Parker to set the slow pace as he already does for the Spurs.

Matchups:

Cc: Andrew Bogut/Troy Murphy vs Joakim Noah/Mehmet Okur

I think that the Center matchups are extremely even. Neither of our teams have stars at C, we both have solid role players who know why they're out there and all 4 play hard and with heart. Andrew Bogut will be relied on for his great passing skills as a big man and he is solid if unspectular from around 15 feet and in. Murphy will get more minutes this series and I think that his rebounding skills [#3 in the league] will be very useful indeed as I will be looking to force my advantage on the glass. Murphy and Okur performed very similarly last year and while Okur is a better defender, Murphy is the significantly better defender. I think that this is a tie.

PF: Kevin Garnett/Paul Millsap vs David West/Andrei Kirilenko

This is the matchup which is most clearly in my favour. Kevin Garnett, the perennial all star, DPOY candidate etc is simply everything that West is and more. Garnett will be the defensive anchor who will ensure that regardless of how Roy/Granger are doing from range, they get nothing easy near the basket. Once again, Garnett won't be asked to shoulder a huge scoring load but his passing will be essential as my team is all about making the extra pass. In terms of the backups, Millsap is just too strong for the gangly Kirilenko and West and will have a field day posting them up. AK47 may get some highlight reel blocks in this matchup but by the end of the series I don't think there will be any doubt that my PF rotation is clearly better. Also, Garnett/Millsap are very clearly better rebounders than their counterparts.

SF: Carmelo Anthony/Rudy Fernandez vs Danny Granger/Andrei Kirilenko

This one is just so damn debatable, it's not even funny. This is NOT about the backups, they barely matter in this matchup. This is about the matchup between the 2 guys who can claim to be the 2nd best SF in the league. Scoring should be very even between the two because of Melo's better scoring ability and Granger's better D. The one thing that I would expect to come out on top in this matchup though is rebounding because Melo is just a beastly rebounder and averages almost 2 rpg more than Danny.

SG: Stephen Jackson/Ben Gordon vs Brandon Roy/Andre Iguodala

No point pretending that he doesn't have a totally superior SG lineup because he does. What I will attempt is to minimize the damage caused by his SG rotation by having Jackson have all his minutes when Roy is on. Jackson will hopefully slow him and if Roy/iggy get to the paint Garnett will be waiting. Same for Iguodala. On offense, Jackson has enough scoring talent to make the defense need to account for him at all times and when Gordon is really hot [which happens like once in 2-3 games] he would be among the best players on the court and would really test Roy/Iguodala's D. No argument though, his SG rotation is clearly better.

PG: Tony Parker/R Alston vs D Rose/OJ Mayo

At PG I think I have another advantage. Rose was very effective in the Boston series by constantly driving and finishing in a Garnett-less paint but with KG patrolling he won't be nearly as effective. His defense is also very suspect as he let Rondo put up huge offensive numbers against him and Parker is clearly a better offensive player than Rondo. Also, his team does not really have a defensive anchor in the post and so Parker should be able to penetrate at will and create. Alston/Mayo matchup is indeed in his favour but they'll only be on the court for 10 minutes each and Alston showed in the playoffs that he is no pushover.

Overall, my rebounding advantage will mean that my guys will get more shots and this will be the key to winning. Our offenses are of very similar strength [IMO we have the 2 best offenses in the league] and I would hope that with Garnett manning the post my defense would be slightly better. However, I think the rebouding disparity will be large and the extra shots will allow my guys to pull out a very hard fought win. Prediction: KGB in 6 or 7, likely 7. Good luck mate.

PS. Sorry for this being late, have holidays now and just started tutoring really irritating kids so I haven't had much time. If this is too late to count then I totally understand.

[-MK-]

So what's going on here? I'm going on vacation tomorrow about 6pm (GMT) and won't be able to use the internet for at least a couple of weeks...

[Gremz]

My votes will be based over 7 major categories, and a general overview of your gameplan.

BlackIce V ShaqSux

PG- Chris Paul Vs Deron Williams

Deron has performed incredibly well against Paul in all their previous meetings. Their numbers are actually quite comparable, with Deron actually shooting a much better FG%. Paul's defense will even this one out for me.

SG- Ray Allen Vs Manu Ginobili

I go with Ray for a couple of reasons. He's better without the ball, is showing very few signs of declining, and of course is the better shooter. I believe he is a perfect fit next to CP3 also. Manu, however, will still be great in this series, and will deserve ample attention.

SF- John Salmons Vs Tayshaun Prince

Prince provides you with the whole package as a SF. Length, defense, shooting and passing. Salmons, while having a career year, has a pretty significant length disadvantage against Prince here. As this is more of a "role player" position for you guys, I go with the guy who's built a career on being just that.

PF- Chris Bosh Vs Luis Scola

I'll have to vote for Bosh, but it's not nearly as clear cut as BlackIce would like me to believe. Granted in the past that Scola has had Yao to help him on defense (which he still has a defensive minded large Center here), but Bosh's FG% has suffered a lot when facing Scola. A measly .429% as a career stat isn't exactly dominant. He does however, still manage to get 21ppg.

C- Kendrick Perkins Vs Andrew Bynum

I'm going to wash this. Both are comparable due to their bit part roles on their current teams, and feel they will cancel each others production out.

6th Man- JR Smith Vs James Posey

I simply feel that Smith's production will outweigh that of Posey. He's known to get hot from the field very quickly, and its a shame he isn't getting more minutes for me.

1st Big Off The Bench- Anderson Varejao Vs Marcus Camby

Again, a close one here. Both will simply provide toughness and defense from the bench, of which I do believe Camby's experience will win out.

I see this series quite evenly. I do see a better chemistry mix and namesake for BlackIce. While ShaqSux provides a deeper bench, and a more rounded first and second unit.
My main concerns in this series are:

-The lack of depth for BlackIce. There is no true point backup in your projected depth chart, which may cause problems, and while Harrington has performed well offensively recently, he hasn't been the most consistent or greatest of defensive players. I think we can both agree there will be some ess than effective shots from both Crawford and Harrington.
-Post scoring for ShaqSux. Yes, I am aware that both Bynum and Scola can score. I'm just not convinced that they can do it as a primary option. I like Nene as a help offensive player, perhaps he could have seen some extra time. Smith getting some more minutes would also help here.

Both have quality overall defense and playmaking. Very tough decision, in which I will take BlackIce in 7th game overtime, due to a more rounded offense.

BlackIce in 7.

Teddy KGB V Bryant08

PG- Tony Parker Vs Derrick Rose

Rose has the size and aggresion here. But I can't go past Parker's decision making and proven playoff quality. He is a finals MVP after all

SG- Stephen Jackson Vs Brandon Roy

Both can score, that much we know. Jackson provides a quality amount of playmaking ability also, Roy has too much quality here though. The one thing I do like is the size advantage that SJax will have.

SF- Carmelo Anthony Vs Danny Granger

A comparable wash. With Danny probably performing better throughout the regular season. Carmelo did however have a phenomenal playoffs, including some quality defense.

PF- Kevin Garnett Vs David West

Fairly large gap here for me. David West has been a tremendous offensive weapon in the past few seasons, but Garnett is too strong on both ends. A two way anchor who is a pure game changer.

C- Andrew Bogut Vs Joakim Noah

Quite comparable in terms of effectiveness. Noah is the better defensive presence, but I do think that Bogut is a better offensive facilitator. Their PER 36 numbers are extremely similar, and given Bogut's year, this is a wash.

6th Man- Ben Gordon Vs Andre Iguodala

I really like Gordon as a 6th man. His scoring ability from the bench will add another dimension. What he lacks on defense, he more than makes up for with his shooting. Iggy can supply a little more aggression, and much better defense. His shooting at times can come into question though

1st Big Off The Bench- Troy Murphy Vs Mehmet Okur

Both can provide quality range for big men. Okur has had the edge offensively of late, but Murphy is a rebounding machine who has improved both his defense and consistency this yeay.

I really like the depth quality for Bryant08. Mayo, Kirilenko and Iguodala are fantastic bench options. The spacing and overall defensive qualities are very impressive also. Not to be outdone, Teddy KGB has Murphy, Millsap and of course Ben Gordon as the primary players off the bench.
I think that Teddy KGB's team will have a fair amount of advantage on the boards, and the experience levels.

Teddy KGB in 7 for me.

poopdamoop V -MK-

PG- Mo Williams Vs Rajon Rondo

Both have settled for quieter roles this season, working primarily as second or third options. I am more confident with Rondo's ability to up his game when required. He is also the better rebounder.

SG- Dwyane Wade Vs Joe Johnson

Wade will dominate this. He is simply a superstar facing a tremendous second option.

SF- Kevin Durant Vs Richard Jefferson

Jefferson's numbers have slipped recently, while Durant has turned himself into a dominant offensive force.

PF- Rasheed Wallace Vs Tim Duncan

A 34 year old Rasheed will really struggle here. Duncan is still the dominant player we relate him too, and the most effective PF in the game. Rasheed will be able to stretch Duncan out on defense, but it's still not close.

C- Al Jefferson Vs Al Horford

I really like both these young guys. I do believe Horford to be the stronger of the two, especially on defense, but with Jefferson's proven ability to score consistently, he gets the nod.

6th Man- Luol Deng Vs Rodney Stuckey

Luol Deng's year left a lot to be desired. I really like his game, but had struggled with consistency this year. Stuckey is a guy who while talented, didn't make tremendous strides this year. It's close, but Stuckey's versatility works for me here.

1st Big Off The Bench- LaMarcus Aldridge Vs Andrea Bargnani

Aldridge has enough quality to be a starter in this competition. A true post presence. Bargnani is really improving into a quality player. Aldridge's consistency wins out here.

Combine Wade with shooting are you are always in good stead. Durant, Rasheed and Williams all give Wade a major compliment in this regard. I do like the shooting of JJ with Duncan, and Rondo will add another dimension to that offense also.
In a well balanced series, I think Durant's emergence as a quality scoring option will really play a factor here.

poopdamoop in 7.

[-MK-]

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SF- Kevin Durant Vs Richard Jefferson

Jefferson's numbers have slipped recently, while Durant has turned himself into a dominant offensive force.
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In a well balanced series, I think Durant's emergence as a quality scoring option will really play a factor here.
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If you look at this, you can see that Richard Jefferson has absolutely DOMINATED (the "dominant") Durant every single time they've met. And I don't really see a drop-off in RJ's numbers as he's improved his 3PT-shooting a lot and his rebounding has also gotten better.

[BlackIce]

Thanks gremz (not for voting for me, just for voting period), lets try and get the other votes in and get this thing moving

[poopdamoop]

MK, by that logic, you should agree that Duncan's advantage over Wallace isn't that big either, as he has only shot 43% against Sheed

[-MK-]

MK, by that logic, you should agree that Duncan's advantage over Wallace isn't that big either, as he has only shot 43% against Sheed

43%? Where did you get that number? More like 45.4% (only 41.3% for Rasheed, btw). Plus more points, a lot more rebounds, blocks etc.

But RJ has scored on average almost 2x more points than Durant, when they've met. 28.4 for RJ vs 14.5 for Durant to be exact. Also a lot more rebounds, assists, steals, threes, a lot better %s etc.

[Gremz]

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SF- Kevin Durant Vs Richard Jefferson

Jefferson's numbers have slipped recently, while Durant has turned himself into a dominant offensive force.
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In a well balanced series, I think Durant's emergence as a quality scoring option will really play a factor here.
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If you look at this, you can see that Richard Jefferson has absolutely DOMINATED (the "dominant") Durant every single time they've met. And I don't really see a drop-off in RJ's numbers as he's improved his 3PT-shooting a lot and his rebounding has also gotten better.

You're right, my apologies (tired voting). I will take it into account and re-evaluate later.

[poopdamoop]

MK, by that logic, you should agree that Duncan's advantage over Wallace isn't that big either, as he has only shot 43% against Sheed

43%? Where did you get that number? More like 45.4% (only 41.3% for Rasheed, btw). Plus more points, a lot more rebounds, blocks etc.

But RJ has scored on average almost 2x more points than Durant, when they've met. 28.4 for RJ vs 14.5 for Durant to be exact. Also a lot more rebounds, assists, steals, threes, a lot better %s etc.

My bad, I meant to say over the past 2 years in my quote, because I think its pointless measuring their entire careers since they're much different players now. But I'm not asking Sheed to shoot a lot, just defend Duncan (which he's proven he can) and hit open threes. Duncan's the one shooting at high volume, and Wallace is extremely good at holding him to low percentage shots.

As for Durant and Jefferson, I'd understand giving Jefferson the edge. I have no idea why Durant plays so badly, but I think he's easily the better player, which should at least somewhat negate his poor head-to-head showings.

Also, you can apply the same thing to Rondo and Mo Williams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =rondora01

Look at the stats here and tell me how Rondo is going to shut Mo Williams down. He can't do it when Mo was the second option on the team, I don't see why he'd be any better at it here. If you wanna give Jefferson the advantage, you have to give the point guard matchup to Mo as well.

[-MK-]

My bad, I meant to say over the past 2 years in my quote, because I think its pointless measuring their entire careers since they're much different players now. But I'm not asking Sheed to shoot a lot, just defend Duncan (which he's proven he can) and hit open threes. Duncan's the one shooting at high volume, and Wallace is extremely good at holding him to low percentage shots.

Well, I looked through as much of video material on recent Spurs-Pistons games as I could find and it was mostly McDyess who was guarding Duncan, also sometimes Maxiell and Kwame Brown. One of the few isolations for TD that Sheed was guarding, you can find here at the 0:53 mark and you can clearly see that Timmy outplayed him very easily. And btw, Ben Wallace was the main guy guarding TD before he left the Pistons. So I don't really understand how you can say that "[Rasheed] Wallace is extremely good at holding [TD] to low percentage shots."

Also, you can apply the same thing to Rondo and Mo Williams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =rondora01

Look at the stats here and tell me how Rondo is going to shut Mo Williams down. He can't do it when Mo was the second option on the team, I don't see why he'd be any better at it here. If you wanna give Jefferson the advantage, you have to give the point guard matchup to Mo as well.

Mo Williams has had one good game against Rondo and in that game RR sprained his ankle. See here at the 0:30 mark. Rest of the games have been largely sub-par. And I do believe that there's a much bigger chance of me beating you with RJ than you have of beating me with Mo-Will.

[poopdamoop]

Well, I looked through as much of video material on recent Spurs-Pistons games as I could find and it was mostly McDyess who was guarding Duncan, also sometimes Maxiell and Kwame Brown. One of the few isolations for TD that Sheed was guarding, you can find here at the 0:53 mark and you can clearly see that Timmy outplayed him very easily. And btw, Ben Wallace was the main guy guarding TD before he left the Pistons. So I don't really understand how you can say that "[Rasheed] Wallace is extremely good at holding [TD] to low percentage shots."

How can you use one play as an example of Duncan being able to do whatever he wants on Rasheed? I looked at as much as I could find too, and Sheed guarded Duncan quite a bit, especially at the end of games. No one can shut him down, but Sheed has the length, quickness, and defensive smarts to do a solid job. And Ben Wallace was guarding him back in 2005, when he was still the DPOY. Times have changed now. Besides, I have guys like JO, Gortat, and Dalembert to throw at him when Sheed takes a break, and arguably the best help defender in the game (Wade) coming over from the weakside.

Mo Williams has had one good game against Rondo and in that game RR sprained his ankle. See here at the 0:30 mark. Rest of the games have been largely sub-par. And I do believe that there's a much bigger chance of me beating you with RJ than you have of beating me with Mo-Will.

As a Cav (the most important games to look at, Mo's role was much different on the Bucks) Mo has shot over 50% overall, and Rondo is around the low 30s. None of Mo's games were subpar, he just wasn't asked to handle the ball and create as much as Rondo was. Mo shot 8/14 from three point land and held Rondo to terrible percentages. RR is such a bad shooter that your whole game plan will be thrown out of whack if I double off him. And I don't see how Richard Jefferson is a much better player than Mo, I don't think either of them are good enough to carry a team in this league. But none of that matters, as I have the best player in this series, who can't be guarded by anyone on your team, and that's whats gonna get me the win

[-MK-]

How can you use one play as an example of Duncan being able to do whatever he wants on Rasheed? I looked at as much as I could find too, and Sheed guarded Duncan quite a bit, especially at the end of games. No one can shut him down, but Sheed has the length, quickness, and defensive smarts to do a solid job. And Ben Wallace was guarding him back in 2005, when he was still the DPOY. Times have changed now. Besides, I have guys like JO, Gortat, and Dalembert to throw at him when Sheed takes a break, and arguably the best help defender in the game (Wade) coming over from the weakside.

I used that play as an example because I couldn't find anything else on youtube where Sheed guards TD one-on-one on an isolation. And I currently don't have any time to cut/edit videos and upload them to youtube.

Duncan's numbers vs Dalembert http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =dalemsa01
Duncan's numbers vs J.O'neal http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =onealje01

And if you're planning on helping your bigs with Wade, then JJ is gonna drop open jumpers all day as Duncan is an excellent passer out of double teams.

As a Cav (the most important games to look at, Mo's role was much different on the Bucks) Mo has shot over 50% overall, and Rondo is around the low 30s. None of Mo's games were subpar, he just wasn't asked to handle the ball and create as much as Rondo was. Mo shot 8/14 from three point land and held Rondo to terrible percentages. RR is such a bad shooter that your whole game plan will be thrown out of whack if I double off him. And I don't see how Richard Jefferson is a much better player than Mo, I don't think either of them are good enough to carry a team in this league. But none of that matters, as I have the best player in this series, who can't be guarded by anyone on your team, and that's whats gonna get me the win

Well, he averaged about 5 points less vs Rondo than his season average and I'd say an average of 4 TO (If you count out the game where RR had a sprained ankle) for a guy who's not the main ballhandler is pretty poor. Oh, and half of those threes (4/5 .800) were also from that one game. And you can't really say that Mo-Will held Rondo to anything. It was more of the team defense and inside intimidation of the Cavs than Mo. You don't have either in your starting 5. Besides, Rondo won't really need to score to be effective. His main objectives will be defense and creation for others.

If you say that no one on my team can guard Wade, I can just as well say that no one on your team can guard Duncan and that's gonna get me the win.

[poopdamoop]

And if you're planning on helping your bigs with Wade, then JJ is gonna drop open jumpers all day as Duncan is an excellent passer out of double teams.

That's what rotations are for. I'll have one of my other perimeter players rotate over to JJ, leaving Rondo open. He's proven to be a terrible shooter, so I'm not worried about him dropping open jumpers or anything like that. And Duncan's a great passer, yes, but when he's doubled on the move and has the long wingspans of Durant and Wade in his face, he's going to commit a lot of turnovers.

Well, he averaged about 5 points less vs Rondo than his season average and I'd say an average of 4 TO (If you count out the game where RR had a sprained ankle) for a guy who's not the main ballhandler is pretty poor. Oh, and half of those threes (4/5 .800) were also from that one game. And you can't really say that Mo-Will held Rondo to anything. It was more of the team defense and inside intimidation of the Cavs than Mo. You don't have either in your starting 5. Besides, Rondo won't really need to score to be effective. His main objectives will be defense and creation for others.

If you say that no one on my team can guard Wade, I can just as well say that no one on your team can guard Duncan and that's gonna get me the win.

He averaged fewer points because he shot less and played fewer minutes. Rondo constantly let him by and left him open to play passing lanes and double on LeBron, giving Mo wide open looks. Wade will do the same thing. And do the Cavs have inside intimidation? They have Anderson Varajao and Big Z, neither of those guys are great defenders. Besides, Rondo's poor shooting percentages are a direct result of the jumpers he kept bricking. Its not like having Duncan as the passer will magically make him a better shooter.

And my points here, which we've been arguing about, are that:

1. Wade is a better player than Duncan, more able to take over a series, and is the far superior option at the end of games.

2. I do have players capable of matching up with Duncan, whereas you have to rely on Joe Johnson, Rodney Stuckey, and Delonte West to keep up with Wade. None of them have a chance, especially now that Wade is no longer the only scoring option on his team.

[-MK-]

That's what rotations are for. I'll have one of my other perimeter players rotate over to JJ, leaving Rondo open. He's proven to be a terrible shooter, so I'm not worried about him dropping open jumpers or anything like that. And Duncan's a great passer, yes, but when he's doubled on the move and has the long wingspans of Durant and Wade in his face, he's going to commit a lot of turnovers.

Well, If you're gonna rotate off of Rondo then he's just gonna cut to the basket and finish at the rim (which he's proven to be very capable of, shown by his .621 eFG% with 57% of his attempts inside) or draw another defender and get the guy who he was defending an open J. And I can't really see a rise in TOs for TD when he's played against Wade or Durant (more like a drop in TOs).

He averaged fewer points because he shot less and played fewer minutes. Rondo constantly let him by and left him open to play passing lanes and double on LeBron, giving Mo wide open looks. Wade will do the same thing.

So playing about 1,5 min less gets him 5 less points? Btw, Rondo also played less min in those games. Now what about those TOs?

And do the Cavs have inside intimidation? They have Anderson Varajao and Big Z, neither of those guys are great defenders. Besides, Rondo's poor shooting percentages are a direct result of the jumpers he kept bricking. Its not like having Duncan as the passer will magically make him a better shooter.

Well, they're certainly better on defense and more intimidating than the combination of Sheed and Al Jefferson. And Ben Wallace also played quite a bit in those games. (Plus LeBron is more of an inside intimidator than Wade.) But the main thing that kept RR to such low %s was the team defense of the Cavs, which you don't really have.

And my points here, which we've been arguing about, are that:

1. Wade is a better player than Duncan, more able to take over a series, and is the far superior option at the end of games.

2. I do have players capable of matching up with Duncan, whereas you have to rely on Joe Johnson, Rodney Stuckey, and Delonte West to keep up with Wade. None of them have a chance, especially now that Wade is no longer the only scoring option on his team.

I'm not going to argue that Wade isn't better than TD, but JJ (and Rodney Stuckey) can match up with Wade just as well (or just as "poorly", take it as you want) as Sheed (or anyone else on your team) can match up with TD.

[poopdamoop]

Well, If you're gonna rotate off of Rondo then he's just gonna cut to the basket and finish at the rim (which he's proven to be very capable of, shown by his .621 eFG% with 57% of his attempts inside) or draw another defender and get the guy who he was defending an open J. And I can't really see a rise in TOs for TD when he's played against Wade or Durant (more like a drop in TOs).

You'd think he did that more often during his actual career, but its not that easy to just cut to the basket, especially since it'll be so congested in there with both of your starting big guys being primarily low post players. Rondo will be spotting up around 18-20 feet, and he's not gonna get all the way into the lane from out there. We can easily pack the paint and force him to shoot. As for the turnovers, he's never played against both Wade and Durant before, and Wade wasn't used as a help defender in Miami as much as he'll be used here.

So playing about 1,5 min less gets him 5 less points? Btw, Rondo also played less min in those games. Now what about those TOs?

First of all, I don't know where you're getting 5 less points from. Mo averaged 17.8 ppg this season and 16 against Boston in the 4 games they played this season, on better percentages from the field and from three. He also averaged 3 turnovers compared to 2.2. Not a big difference, especially when seeing how much Rondo fell off.

Well, they're certainly better on defense and more intimidating than the combination of Sheed and Al Jefferson. And Ben Wallace also played quite a bit in those games. (Plus LeBron is more of an inside intimidator than Wade.) But the main thing that kept RR to such low %s was the team defense of the Cavs, which you don't really have.

Ben Wallace was pretty much useless as a Cav, his defensive performance can easily be replaced by JO. And Sheed and Al Jefferson, in a vacuum, are probably superior defensively to Big Z and Varajao, but the Cavs system hides their flaws and maximizes their strengths, which consist of solid rotations and the ability to take charges. I'd argue that Wade is just as dominant in terms of inside defense as LeBron, as being one of the best shotblocking guards ever seems to suggest that Jefferson is a decent help defender, and I'm not going to ask him to defend Duncan, I'll leave that to my best defensive players. And I have no idea how you're going to be able to stop both Jefferson and Aldridge when they're playing together, whoever Duncan isn't guarding is going to dominate.

I'm not going to argue that Wade isn't better than TD, but JJ (and Rodney Stuckey) can match up with Wade just as well (or just as "poorly", take it as you want) as Sheed (or anyone else on your team) can match up with TD.

I really don't think they can though. I know Sheed has the tools to at least somewhat slow down Duncan, I've seen him do it before (as have the judges, I assume). But JJ and Stuckey have never matched up with Wade well. Hell, Wade's put up 32/12/5 on the Pistons whenever they've matched up (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =stuckro01)

[Teddy KGB]

nice debate guys. btw anyone know where cellar or the idiot are?

[CellarDoor]

I'm here. Had a weekend vacation here, and I had wanted to give you guys time for potential rebuttals.

By the way, nearly every time (if not every) that RJeff and Durant have been playing each other (which is a whole 4 times btw, nice sample) Durant was playing SG and guarding Vince and most likely being guarded by Vince.

My votes will be coming this am. Who knows with "the idiot"

[CellarDoor]

Looking over Gremz' votes, I will agree and save myself some explanatory time on Mk/Poop and Teddy/Bryant's series.

I generally agree with Gremz' assertions in the other series, but I'm going to think it over while (not) working.

[CellarDoor]

Alright, Ice/Shaq is just a close match-up. Similar to what Gremz said, I think the one pg thing may come back to bite Ice. What happens when CP3 gets caught fouling Deron? With an increased scoring load I see Deron attacking the rim more. If Crawford is your pg for a prolonged stretch, then the team isn't doing well.

SS in 6. Balls in your court Vintage (and i'm exempt from making any real decision here!)

[VintaGe36]

Alright, I'm gonna echo what CellarDoor said. Though Bosh is better than Scola, Scola is no slouch, and when the match-ups are THIS close, something like Crawful as your back-up PG can bite you in the butt.

I have SS in 7 games.