Ricky Rubio, what would your team give up for him

Harry10 · Post #1 » by **Harry10** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:01 pm

i think the Wolves were expecting Evans at #5.

what would your team give up for Rubio?

Killua · Post #2 » by **Killua** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:06 pm

The problem with rubio trades is this his Stock is shot cuz everyone knows he wont be comming over 1 or 2 years from now. Min think they got this huge assist but its not gona net anything close to what min fan thinks he will net them. Why would most teams trade real good assist now for something they gotta wait 2 years for?

Storm Surge · Post #3 » by **Storm Surge** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:10 pm

t-mac/brooks

I am Ra · Post #4 » by **I am Ra** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:11 pm

chandler, lee to another team for a piece and unprotected first in 2012 at most.

Esohny · Post #5 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:12 pm

Storm Surge wrote:t-mac/brooks

Why would the wolves want Brooks when they have Flynn?

shrink · Post #6 » by **shrink** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:13 pm

Killua wrote:The problem with rubio trades is this his Stock is shot cuz everyone knows he wont be comming over 1 or 2 years from now. Min think they got this huge assist but its not gona net anything close to what min fan thinks he will net them. Why would most teams trade real good assist now for something they gotta wait 2 years for?

Your whole way of thinking is messed up.

First, MIN fans aren't looking to see what rubio will "net them." They don't want to trade him at all. the team needs the hope for star-level talent.

Second, no one knows if Rubio will come over this year or not. His statements two hours ago seem to point to not staying in Europe. His frustration had nothing to do with small market (he was willing to go to smaller SAC), but concern about the drafting of Jonny Flynn. Rubio wants minutes. Kahn said that rubio is the starting PG as soon as he comes through the door, whenever that is.

Third, even if Rubio wasn't coming over this year, MIN is the perfect place for that! they weren't going to be competitive this year either way, and its 2010 when they want to make a splash, when they have can use their raw cap space, add Rubio and Pekovic, their young players grow, and they will keep a high lotto pick without sending it to LAC.

Killua · Post #7 » by **Killua** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:22 pm

shrink wrote:
Killua wrote:The problem with rubio trades is this his Stock is shot cuz everyone knows he wont be comming over 1 or 2 years from now. Min think they got this huge assist but its not gona net anything close to what min fan thinks he will net them. Why would most teams trade real good assist now for something they gotta wait 2 years for?

Your whole way of thinking is messed up.

First, MIN fans aren't looking to see what rubio will "net them." They don't want to trade him at all. the team needs the hope for star-level talent.

Second, no one knows if Rubio will come over this year or not. His statements two hours ago seem to point to not staying in Europe. His frustration had nothing to do with small market (he was willing to go to smaller SAC), but concern about the drafting of Jonny Flynn. Rubio wants minutes. Kahn said that rubio is the starting PG as soon as he comes through the door, whenever that is.

Third, even if Rubio wasn't coming over this year, MIN is the perfect place for that! they weren't going to be competitive this year either way, and its 2010 when they want to make a splash, when they have can use their raw cap space, add Rubio and Pekovic, their young players grow, and they will keep a high lotto pick without sending it to LAC.

how is anything you said go vs what i said? What i said is Rickys Value is shot right now. This thread is what would yoiur team give up for him. Maybe your lost and think this is the Ricky thread on the min section its --> that way.

Esohny · Post #8 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:25 pm

Killua wrote:
shrink wrote:
Killua wrote:The problem with rubio trades is this his Stock is shot cuz everyone knows he wont be comming over 1 or 2 years from now. Min think they got this huge assist but its not gona net anything close to what min fan thinks he will net them. Why would most teams trade real good assist now for something they gotta wait 2 years for?

Your whole way of thinking is messed up.

First, MIN fans aren't looking to see what rubio will "net them." They don't want to trade him at all. the team needs the hope for star-level talent.

Second, no one knows if Rubio will come over this year or not. His statements two hours ago seem to point to not staying in Europe. His frustration had nothing to do with small market (he was willing to go to smaller SAC), but concern about the drafting of Jonny Flynn. Rubio wants minutes. Kahn said that rubio is the starting PG as soon as he comes through the door, whenever that is.

Third, even if Rubio wasn't coming over this year, MIN is the perfect place for that! they weren't going to be competitive this year either way, and its 2010 when they want to make a splash, when they have can use their raw cap space, add Rubio and Pekovic, their young players grow, and they will keep a high lotto pick without sending it to LAC.

how is anything you said go vs what i said? What i said is Rickys Value is shot right now. This thread is what would yoiur team give up for him. Maybe your lost and think this is the Ricky thread on the min section its --> that way.

You still have no argument for why Rubio's value is "shot."

I am Ra · Post #9 » by **I am Ra** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:27 pm

kingofkingz wrote:chandler, lee to another team for a piece and unprotected first in 2012 at most.

can't believe i'm quoting myself but min fans is this enough for him in your opinons? i think that way too much but i just wanna see how much it takes in your eyes.

Lost Angel · Post #10 » by **Lost Angel** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:30 pm

his value isn't shot, but Minnesota has no leverage in talks (in my opinion)

they lose out, and whoever Rubio goes to is going to value him a whole lot more than what they gave up for him.

picking Jonny Flynn did that in my opinion. I don't know who they would have picked otherwise, but Minnesota lost all trade leverage.

Killua · Post #11 » by **Killua** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:32 pm

Esohny wrote:
You still have no argument for why Rubio's value is "shot."

A i got a horrid memory or b you cant read cuz last time i checked i did say now that teams know he wont be comming over for a year or 2. Hate to break it to idiot Min fans but that dose hurt peoples value. Why would a team trade a good young prospect like hill to have to wait on Ricky? As fans we would in a heart beat im a Laker fan and we would trade anything not named Kobe Gasol or Bynum for Ricky take on as many bad contracts as you like up to 12 mil worth (Morrison & Fisher(must be bought out) add as many 2nd and up to 2 first rounders to have it happen but we know our front office wouldnt do that.

*quick edit* los isnt that what having a shot value is?

Lost Angel · Post #12 » by **Lost Angel** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:35 pm

oh and to answer the question, I don't think the Lakers have the assets to acquire Rubio (since we wouldn't give up anything Minny would want)

but I would try to get him with Nate Rob, Chandler, and a top 10 protected pick if I was NY.

maybe send back Gomes or something?

andyhop · Post #13 » by **andyhop** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:47 pm

Killua wrote:
Esohny wrote:
You still have no argument for why Rubio's value is "shot."

A i got a horrid memory or b you cant read cuz last time i checked i did say now that teams know he wont be comming over for a year or 2. Hate to break it to idiot Min fans but that dose hurt peoples value. Why would a team trade a good young prospect like hill to have to wait on Ricky? As fans we would in a heart beat im a Laker fan and we would trade anything not named Kobe Gasol or Bynum for Ricky take on as many bad contracts as you like up to 12 mil worth (Morrison & Fisher(must be bought out) add as many 2nd and up to 2 first rounders to have it happen but we know our front office wouldnt do that.

*quick edit* los isnt that what having a shot value is?

Given that Rubio has made statement that he definately won't be over for 1-2 years your point is baseless

andyhop · Post #14 » by **andyhop** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:48 pm

Lost Angel wrote:oh and to answer the question, I don't think the Lakers have the assets to acquire Rubio (since we wouldn't give up anything Minny would want)

but I would try to get him with Nate Rob, Chandler, and a top 10 protected pick if I was NY.

maybe send back Gomes or something?

Does Walsh really want to phone up Kahn to get laughed at?

Guy986 · Post #15 » by **Guy986** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:56 pm

kingofkingz wrote:
kingofkingz wrote:chandler, lee to another team for a piece and unprotected first in 2012 at most.

can't believe i'm quoting myself but min fans is this enough for him in your opinons? i think that way too much but i just wanna see how much it takes in your eyes.

No because nobody cares about Chandler outside of NY. He's an average prospect at best. THe 2012 pick is oh so far away and we dont even know what piece is coming back for Lee.

Gallanari + Jordan Hill is a starting point for any legit Rubio discussion.

Smills91 · Post #16 » by **Smills91** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:00 am

Esohny wrote:
Killua wrote:
shrink wrote:Your whole way of thinking is messed up.

First, MIN fans aren't looking to see what rubio will "net them." They don't want to trade him at all. the team needs the hope for star-level talent.

Second, no one knows if Rubio will come over this year or not. His statements two hours ago seem to point to not staying in Europe. His frustration had nothing to do with small market (he was willing to go to smaller SAC), but concern about the drafting of Jonny Flynn. Rubio wants minutes. Kahn said that rubio is the starting PG as soon as he comes through the door, whenever that is.

Third, even if Rubio wasn't coming over this year, MIN is the perfect place for that! they weren't going to be competitive this year either way, and its 2010 when they want to make a splash, when they have can use their raw cap space, add Rubio and Pekovic, their young players grow, and they will keep a high lotto pick without sending it to LAC.

how is anything you said go vs what i said? What i said is Rickys Value is shot right now. This thread is what would yoiur team give up for him. Maybe your lost and think this is the Ricky thread on the min section its --> that way.

You still have no argument for why Rubio's value is "shot."

His value is down becasue 1) He's an unknown, 2) Many teams just added the PG they were looking for and therefore won't mortgage the farm for him, 3) With him staying in Spain, if the Wolves DO look to trade him, teams know that he's not as interested in playing in Minny.

I still think he has value, but his perceived value and actual value will create a chasm of sorts.

Post #17 » by **el loco** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:46 am

Minny could still trade his rights in next year's draft to a team looking for a pg and get another first round pick in return, so his value isn't down much.

andalusian · Post #18 » by **andalusian** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:47 am

I think that if Portland is interested (and I have no idea what KP's thoughts on it) - something like rights to Rubio + Brewer for Bayless and future pick is all Portland will be willing to give. Of course, Minni could have just kept Foye/Miller to play with Flynn - so there is very little chance they are willing to do it.

I will not be surprised to see Minni playing chicken with Rubio for another year or two before they are willing to trade his rights.

Post #19 » by **el loco** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:49 am

Beasley was rumored to be offered to the Grizzlies for their 2nd pick. I don't know if there is any truth in that rumor or not, but who would they have targeted? If it was Rubio, they might be a potential trade partner with Minny.

Post #20 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:01 am

Mn gave up 2 expiring guards to get Rubio. We hardly paid much. That being said, we have no problem waiting out the contract situation. If Rubio is in europe for 2 years and comes over as a 20 yr old we are cool with it.

THE ONLY WAY RUBIO IS MOVED IS IF WE ARE BLOWN AWAY. WE NEED A FOUNDATIONAL PIECE, NOT SCRAP PARTS.