Crawford may be the missing piece

[tbhawksfan]

I'm confident in the move. We'll see during the season, won't we?

I don't think we've finished our moves yet. A PG's coming.

[nycefnl]

I've been following Crawford since the Bulls....He has the worst luck in the NBA... The teams he's played on has always been in disray personelle wise. He can't get blamed for that...It's not like any team improved when he left. Look at the Knicks who started rolling when he finally had a coach who knew what he was doing.

With Crawford you get a guy that you can ride in the 4th quater. He can spread the floor for you guys because he's a lights out shooter. He's never played with players that demand double teams besides Eddy Curry. Now he'll have three on the Hawks.

His passing is over-looked. he has great vision.

I'll be watching and routing for Crawford and Atlanta next few years with him there. I'm a die hard Crawford fan!!!!

Go Hawks!!!

[JCBIGSIS]

I've been following Crawford since the Bulls....He has the worst luck in the NBA... The teams he's played on has always been in disray personelle wise. He can't get blamed for that...It's not like any team improved when he left. Look at the Knicks who started rolling when he finally had a coach who knew what he was doing.

With Crawford you get a guy that you can ride in the 4th quater. He can spread the floor for you guys because he's a lights out shooter. He's never played with players that demand double teams besides Eddy Curry. Now he'll have three on the Hawks.

His passing is over-looked. he has great vision.

I'll be watching and routing for Crawford and Atlanta next few years with him there. I'm a die hard Crawford fan!!!!

Go Hawks!!!

I've been following Crawford since the Bulls....He has the worst luck in the NBA... The teams he's played on has always been in disray personelle wise. He can't get blamed for that...It's not like any team improved when he left. Look at the Knicks who started rolling when he finally had a coach who knew what he was doing.

With Crawford you get a guy that you can ride in the 4th quater. He can spread the floor for you guys because he's a lights out shooter. He's never played with players that demand double teams besides Eddy Curry. Now he'll have three on the Hawks.

His passing is over-looked. he has great vision.

I'll be watching and routing for Crawford and Atlanta next few years with him there. I'm a die hard Crawford fan!!!!

Go Hawks!!!

OK I DONT KNOW IF I AM COMMENTING in the correct spot, it's been a yr since I have been on here but u r my fav so far I totally agree wit h you and I know all of this to be true and I have bben a Jamal craw supporter since 3-20-1980

[waltoni2010]

wow lori good to see u post i think it dead wrong how knick fans turn on u thats so uncalled for i stuck up for u and general in a few posts and then they all go attack me lol. good to see general and nyce too. jcraw11 got band by knick mods cause all he did was defend craw i bet he be back and go tlots to say tho. now ATL fans gunna be nicer u see. as to craw heck the guy was rollin in new york until isiah went stupid and go and trade for francis and jalen rose and zach i mean what was with that everything was fine when it was craw and marbs running the show but then isiah went nuts on marbs too. so how some1 gunna do well under all that strees? in chi town craw was young so u cant knock him there. in warriors u got (Please Use More Appropriate Word) don nelson with 10 guards on the team and he go and blame craw for that team stinkin well it stunk well before craw got there. now dont get me wrong i mean in nyc craw had to try to be jordan to carry the bad team and he just aint able to do that tho he did try real well. see craw will be real good in ATL cause he can just be himself and help win games and not try to do everything like the knicks tried to make him do. u guys use him rite and it will be good but i already read ur coach dont want to coach him what up with that already? i always say craw would be devistatin on a team where he could be like that role guy that third guy or even six man off the bench for like 30 a night and he would roll. ATL will love him if ur coach use him rite.

[DocZaius]

hahahaha

I am genuinely sorry for all Hawks fans, get ready for Crawford's entourage.

[blueNorange]

hahahaha

I am genuinely sorry for all Hawks fans, get ready for Crawford's entourage.

they already know ... few knick fans and warrior fans told them to be ready for them on the general discussion forum, it's not the constant supporting that's annoying ... it's them defending him to death when he's not playing good or is the main reason why they lost the game.

[_BBIB_]

And we already discuss that, and know that Woodson coaching is big part of the problem.
I also don't think that Crawford can help creating shots for his teammates better than Bibby.

He doesn't have to. Just at the same level or near it. What he lacks for in assist to turnover ratio he can make up for ability to create off the dribble and defend which he will be much better at than Bibby.

This is Crawford's first chance to play on a playoff team is it not? I think he won't ballhog

He seems to have a lot of supporters. If he was complete garbage he wouldn't have this many supporters. Don't think this many people are defending Speedy Claxton who was in that trade right now or Acie Law although I do wish Acie the best.

This is Crawford's true test of what kind of player he is. He isn't young any more and he isn't on a dysfunctional team. If he accepts his role, I think he could really contribute. And again it's not like we gave up anything to get him

[jagstang76]

I took a gander at both Crawford's and Bibby's stats, and I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Crawford isn't as good a PG as Bibby. Yes, their styles are different - Crawford is a scorer while Bibby is a shooter/floor general - yet all their numbers indicate that they both are decent distributors of the ball. I agree with what others have said that Jamal hasn't had the right situation to be in that would truly bring out the best in him. He has had night where he went off for 40 or 50 though, and I've never seen that from Bibby. I've also seen him dish out the assists. Now, he doesn't break double digits in assists as often as Bibby, but he can consistently get between 5-8 a game which is very similar to Bibby.

Again, it also comes down to the system they are playing in. Look, how many times did we see Bibby get to run the pick-n-roll like he did all the time in SAC? More often, he was screening for JJ which is ridiculous. His job was to bring the ball up, initiate the offense, and get into a position to shoot. Jamal can handle that no problem and will probably do it better because he is a huge threat to make it to the rim as well as shoot or pass. I'd rather see Jamal or JJ in a two man game with Marvin. Bibby is not a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd who can make something from nothing. If we wanted that for this team, I'm sure we would be pursuing Rubio much harder.

I think Jamal was a great move. I think we will see him play the best he's ever played in the league. I would love for us to have Bibby or Flip too. At least Flip would give us another similar scoring guard. Right now, I'm more worried about our depth at the 4/5...

[NDaATL]

I took a gander at both Crawford's and Bibby's stats, and I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Crawford isn't as good a PG as Bibby. Yes, their styles are different - Crawford is a scorer while Bibby is a shooter/floor general - yet all their numbers indicate that they both are decent distributors of the ball.

Crawford played on the #1 paced team in the NBA, many more possessions are available to get assists. Meanwhile the Hawks are in the bottom half paced teams of the league.

Crawford's A/TO ratio is 1.8 while Bibby's was 3.1, and most here don't even consider Bibby a true passing PG.

Crawford has never played significant minutes at PG his entire career.

Somehow I doubt it's going to work.

[JoshB914]

I took a gander at both Crawford's and Bibby's stats, and I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Crawford isn't as good a PG as Bibby. Yes, their styles are different - Crawford is a scorer while Bibby is a shooter/floor general - yet all their numbers indicate that they both are decent distributors of the ball.

Crawford played on the #1 paced team in the NBA, many more possessions are available to get assists. Meanwhile the Hawks are in the bottom half paced teams of the league.

Crawford's A/TO ratio is 1.8 while Bibby's was 3.1, and most here don't even consider Bibby a true passing PG.

Crawford has never played significant minutes at PG his entire career.

Somehow I doubt it's going to work.

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[KingofnewAkron]

I took a gander at both Crawford's and Bibby's stats, and I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Crawford isn't as good a PG as Bibby. Yes, their styles are different - Crawford is a scorer while Bibby is a shooter/floor general - yet all their numbers indicate that they both are decent distributors of the ball.

Crawford played on the #1 paced team in the NBA, many more possessions are available to get assists. Meanwhile the Hawks are in the bottom half paced teams of the league.

Crawford's A/TO ratio is 1.8 while Bibby's was 3.1, and most here don't even consider Bibby a true passing PG.

Crawford has never played significant minutes at PG his entire career.

Somehow I doubt it's going to work.

The previous year Crawford averaged 5 assists per game for ny as well and I dont think they were anywhere near the top in pace.

He was slightly behind Bibby that year in a/t ratio but he also had to carry that team offensively along with Zach Randolph.

the 2007 season he played point for ny for most of the year although I dont think hes ever went into a training camp as a point guard since he was with the Bulls .

However I think we need both to be the best team we could be next year .

[waltoni2010]

craw play ton of point in nyc it was marbs who was off the ball craw brought the ball up craw made the moves and dished the ball he was our pg for years even tho he start at sg but even then lots of time he get shifted to pg during subs. craw play way more pg for ny than sg and he was real good at it. hawks coach need to sit down and stop sayin he dont wanna coach craw and need to start him at pg and watch him and joe johnson rape teams.

[D21]

The previous year Crawford averaged 5 assists per game for ny as well and I dont think they were anywhere near the top in pace.

Right, but it was the only time he was at least at 5.0 ast, and he was playing 40min for that.
Bibby has always been at 5.0 or more except one year), and doesn't need 40min but more 34min to do it. And he's certainly a better catch and shoot PG than Crawford is, a thing very important as long as we run the offense with Joe.

That's why we need to keep Bibby, even at the cost of Murray walking away.

[Tommy Udo 6]

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OK I DONT KNOW IF I AM COMMENTING in the correct spot, it's been a yr since I have been on here but u r my fav so far I totally agree wit h you and I know all of this to be true and I have bben a Jamal craw supporter since 3-20-1980

Hawk Fans:

This poster really is Jamal Crawford's Big Sister. If memory serves me, her name is Laurie

I know her from the Bulls Board (and the Knicks Board) and can vouch for her identity.


3/20/1980 is Jamal's birthdate by the way.......

[old rem]

I took a gander at both Crawford's and Bibby's stats, and I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Crawford isn't as good a PG as Bibby. Yes, their styles are different - Crawford is a scorer while Bibby is a shooter/floor general - yet all their numbers indicate that they both are decent distributors of the ball.

Crawford played on the #1 paced team in the NBA, many more possessions are available to get assists. Meanwhile the Hawks are in the bottom half paced teams of the league.

Crawford's A/TO ratio is 1.8 while Bibby's was 3.1, and most here don't even consider Bibby a true passing PG.

Crawford has never played significant minutes at PG his entire career.

Somehow I doubt it's going to work.

GSW spread the assists between Crawford.Ellis.Jackson,Watson and sometimes Bellinnelli. Crawford was often..but not always the PG. He was not a cancer or ballhog..is a bit of a streak shooter but will back off if he's cold. Pretty bad D...plays way too far off his man...trys though. He's okay considering the Hawks didn't give much.