ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[andyhop]

Go look up the publicity on Yi last year to see how people supported the Bucks over him then come back.

Getting nothing for Rubio if he stays in Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting crap for him and having to see him on another team.

If he is traded it will be for a good deal for the Wolves.

that's a great moral victory, but it isn't the smartest business decision. brooklyn gives another great point. waiting out for rubio might be (probably isn't) the best decision for the wolves, but for the league, it's a loss of a marketable athlete that'll bring in the league money. If the NBA has shown us anything, its that they run a great business.

trade him sooner before the situation becomes worse. be real, after saying he'll play in europe for 1-2 years, do wolves fans think he'll say, i'll play for the team now? Flynn's still on the team and that's an immediate problem.

i'm curious to see how much other teams are interested in Rubio and how much they'll give up for him. As far as I can see, I haven't heard much buzz from other teams besides the Knicks.

If he said he wouldn't come and we got a good deal we would consider a trade if we didn't we would wait until we did and move on.It isn't a good business decision to help your competitors at your expense .

As to who wants him if you believe the reports half the teams in the league have spoken to Kahn about him and been told he is unavailable.

[jjjjjjjj]

if fair deal is what you are looking for,

1. Where can he go?
2. What is a fair deal?
3. Would the other team be interested in the deal?

also, i would have to say that you're right, it isn't a good business decision to help your competitors at your expense, but equating this to our current situation, the point that you make would only be true if rubio decides to play for the wolves, and if he does decide to play, then why trade anyway?

the point i'm trying to make, and what you're forgetting in your analysis, is that once rubio declares he will not play for the wolves, his value will go down for your team. he'd be essentially dead weight and bad publicity. Maybe Rubio's agent Dan Fegan and Kahn are keeping this sentiment between themselves so the Wolves can get some of good value for the Wolves, but once Fegan sees Rubio isn't moved, this'll be all over the news.

Get good value for him now before the inevitable happens. Timbs fans are playing with a straight, calling against a flush. Fold before you lose all your chips on this one.

[andyhop]

if fair deal is what you are looking for,

1. Where can he go?
2. What is a fair deal?
3. Would the other team be interested in the deal?

also, i would have to say that you're right, it isn't a good business decision to help your competitors at your expense, but equating this to our current situation, the point that you make would only be true if rubio decides to play for the wolves, and if he does decide to play, then why trade anyway?

the point i'm trying to make, and what you're forgetting in your analysis, is that once rubio declares he will not play for the wolves, his value will go down for your team. he'd be essentially dead weight and bad publicity. Maybe Rubio's agent Dan Fegan and Kahn are keeping this sentiment between themselves so the Wolves can get some of good value for the Wolves, but once Fegan sees Rubio isn't moved, this'll be all over the news.

Get good value for him now before the inevitable happens. Timbs fans are playing with a straight, calling against a flush. Fold before you lose all your chips on this one.

Fegan tried that where did Yi sign again?

If he publically comes out and said he won't play for us we listen to offers and if we believe they make sense for us we would consider them ,but the value we would want back wouldn't be affected by him not wanting to play here.If we get only lowball offers we let him stay in Europe until he changes his mind and wants to come play for us or we get a good offer.


The idea that Rubio holds the better hand is laughable ,he is desperate to play in the NBA now and the only way that happens is with the Wolves or a trade that satisfies us.

At the end of the day if he won't come over we will still be in the NBA with a good selection of young talent to build on and he will be stuck in Europe playing in the Minors.

[KWSN-Men]

Vazquez wanted to play in the NBA. After he was drafted his girlfriend forbid from leaving Spain though. These comments like "playing in the minors" or "playing in the JV league".......

random NBA fan, "why do European fans call us arrogant"?

[Genjuro]

Is there a reason why I was once again threatened with a ban here when I only posted something that was true? I was the one that notified Minny fans here of the Rubio-Real Madrid situation and I was called out, insulted and threatened with a ban for doing so. What is wrong with this forum?

It's funny your conception of the term "true".

Where are the reports on that $17 million offer from Real Madrid that you posted?

We're all waiting for a link.

[tvwolves7]

andyhop -

as much as you are saying you want equal value for Rubio, I think its more likely you get nothing for Rubio in that case. Does a rebuilding team really want the #5 pick to be used for nothing? Even your busts had a chance to play. Rubio won't see the hardwood in the Twin Cities.

minnesota loses plenty by 1. never having rubio play, 2. never getting anything for 5 pick.

I'm not sure how basketball fans will view this situation as it unfolds... but I can imagine more bad publicity for David Kahn than good. Kahn will seem like a goat for trying to hold an asset that will never play for him.

thanks for the opinions from wolves fans. i wanted to get a better feel how some realgm posters felt about this situation and see it just as hopeless as i first viewed it. hopefully the knicks get their man, and minny comes out satisfied with their consolation prize, via knicks or whatever.

The Knicks are not getting Rubio, just forget about it and stop worrying about trying to make us think we should trade a prospect for players we do not want or need.

I would rather Rubio never come over and the Timberwolves stay their ground then have them trade him. I only recall one player that has demanded being traded and succeeding, Steve Francis. There is a reason for that, the teams hold the power and Stern is not going to allow it to be a common occurrence. Things like that make a mockery of the Draft.

[Esohny]

Go look up the publicity on Yi last year to see how people supported the Bucks over him then come back.

Getting nothing for Rubio if he stays in Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting crap for him and having to see him on another team.

If he is traded it will be for a good deal for the Wolves.

that's a great moral victory, but it isn't the smartest business decision. brooklyn gives another great point. waiting out for rubio might be (probably isn't) the best decision for the wolves, but for the league, it's a loss of a marketable athlete that'll bring in the league money. If the NBA has shown us anything, its that they run a great business.

trade him sooner before the situation becomes worse. be real, after saying he'll play in europe for 1-2 years, do wolves fans think he'll say, i'll play for the team now? Flynn's still on the team and that's an immediate problem.

i'm curious to see how much other teams are interested in Rubio and how much they'll give up for him. As far as I can see, I haven't heard much buzz from other teams besides the Knicks.

i'll also take your word that fans supported the bucks over yi. I think the difference here is that Rubio has created the hype and interest from fans all over, something Yi didn't have coming in to the NBA. Rubio's agent made some key mistakes in handling Yi as well. Rubio's not making the same mistakes again. Some fans might feel apathetic and not care that Rubio isn't in the NBA, but I think a sizable amount will not appreciate the fact the Wolves are being so stubborn in this situation, especially since they drafted Flynn.

So we're supposed to trade a player with a chance to be really special for a terrible return like has been rumored to be offered from the knicks because other teams' fan bases will be disappointed that Rubio isn't playing here yet? Wow, stunning argument.
As mentioned, your position that it's Rubio comes here or we get nothing is ridiculous. Assuming that Rubio goes straight to the media and plainly states "I never want to play for the Wolves," which will NEVER happen since it would be a PR disaster for him, the wolves lose SOME leverage in trades. That doesn't mean that we'll need to be "saved" by some team giving us pennies on the dollar for Rubio. Other teams are not going to sit still while a competitor trades trash for Rubio, there will be other bidders. Your argument is lame and doesn't follow logic.

[slaterbug]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks ... Jp2SWzRj&D

Ricky Rubio was reportedly in Minnesota this weekend to meet with Wolves GM David Kahn, whose decision to draft the Spanish guard is looking better by the minute.

Mitch Lawrence in Sunday's Daily News reported that the Wolves turned down a deal with the Houston Rockets that would have resulted in Aaron Brooks and Shane Battier headed to Minnesota for Rubio.

[john2jer]

Vazquez wanted to play in the NBA. After he was drafted his girlfriend forbid from leaving Spain though. These comments like "playing in the minors" or "playing in the JV league".......

random NBA fan, "why do European fans call us arrogant"?

That better be one good looking chick with a mouth like a hoover to stick around because she "forbid" it.

Also, talkbasket, when you run around calling people racist with no basis and obviously any knowledge of the definition of that term, that's how you piss people off and they treat you as the pompous idiot you act like.

Contribute to the conversation, or actually stick to your word and just go away.

[jpatrick]

I posted this in one of the other many Rubio threads but I'll put it here as well. Does this make us think that picking Flynn was a bad move, we took one of the PGs purely as an asset, Rubio is being a pussy or this article is BS?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13119

Misconceptions About Rubio: The Ricky Rubio situation in Minnesota is not pretty, and over the past few days we have heard a lot of voices chime in about Rubio and what his camp is seeking. When the Minnesota Timberwolves selected both Rubio and Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn in back-to-back picks last Thursday, things came unglued for the Wolves and HOOPSWORLD spent a considerable amount of time on this subject this weekend. A lot of what we're hearing on Ricky just simply is not true. Here is what's going on with Rubio:
No Problem With 'Sota: The belief that Ricky Rubio is not interested in playing in Minnesota because of climate is the furthest from the truth. Rubio's camp has made it clear that you don't get to pick your team in the draft, that's what free agency is for. Ricky and those close to him are going to be asked the weather question, but that's not weighing into the decision. The primary issue with Minnesota is the log jam they created at point guard, that's it. The reality is David Kahn did a pretty good job selling an idea to Ricky's camp prior to drafting him, and idea most of Ricky's advisors were on board with – until they drafted Jonny Flynn.

Flynn Isn't Happy Either: This is not a one sided issue. Ricky Rubio's camp has simply been the most vocal in its displeasure, but word is Johnny Flynn and his agent Leon Rose were not happy either. Neither player wants to share time and neither player is buying into the "they'd be great together" notion that David Kahn has tried to sell. Both are pure point guards that need the ball to be effective, neither wants to compete with each other.

Europe Not The Option: These reports of European teams with offers, is more about lighting a fire under the Wolves. The complexities of Rubio's buyout make him almost impossible to sign in Europe unless a team really overpays for him. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but let's be real for a minute. Ricky wants to play in the NBA and his camp is not going to do anything rash.

The Knicks Have No Assets: Rumors of the Knicks landing Rubio is a media pipe dream, the Knicks interest in Ricky is lukewarm at best, add the fact that New York has no attractive assets and a deal with the Knicks would require a third team willing to give Minnesota something it seeks. There are a number of interested teams which is why these European offers make so little sense. The Grizzlies were offered an enormous amount of options by team seeking the chance to grab Rubio, that's where the solution for Rubio's camp lies. The hope is after the free agent period opens and salaries get locked in for the 2009-2010 season real talks involving free agents can take place and a solution can be created.

The Waiting Game: This is a waiting game for all parties. The Wolves hope they can end up with Ricky at some point and have said they will wait out Ricky's contract if necessary. Rubio's camp hopes that the constant media pressure will force an action. The answer hear is either Flynn is traded or Rubio is traded. That's the hold up for the Wolves on this and with Summer League getting underway next week, we'll see how motivated the Wolves are to solve the problem, and Rubio's camp will simply have to wait this out.

[Krapinsky]

Hoopsworld doesn't have much credibility. They're good at taking things from across the internet and compiling a story through implications.

[C.lupus]

We gave up Randy Foye and Mike Miller for a headache, annoying knick fans, and poetic justice.

As much as I've been pining for Rubio the past year, right now I'm wishing SAC would have taken him and we'd be rolling with a Flynn/Evans backcourt. Of course I'll change my mind back when he signs with us, this all settles down, and the poetic justice part takes fuit.

[frangs]

Rubio's agents to meet Joventut today. Sorry the link is in Spanish but they don't say anything new. He arrived today in Barcelona.

http://www.marca.com/2009/06/29/balonce ... 76447.html

I guess this is one of the many meetings they will hold until an agreement is reached.

[Promezclan]

The idea that Minnesota would have no leverage if other teams knew they needed to trade Rubio is kind of silly. When you are selling your old house after you moved into a new one, you don't have to give it away for free because people know you are trying to sell it. The Wolves can take offers over a period of years from up to 29 competing bidders.

[Dewey]

If it were to come to MN trading Flynn or Rubio, I don't think it's a wonder to Kahn who it would be ...
"Rubio will be the starting PG the second he steps foot through my door".

1.) I think they'll both be staying ... 80% chance IMO. Appears to be happening day by day.
2.) IF we trade Flynn, the trade will bring value ... 15% chance of happening.
3.) IF we ever trade Rubio, the trade will bring exceptional value ... 5% chance.

Amazingly we've heard very little about Flynns unhappiness during this process. His actions and words appear seem to be positive from the get-go. Hoopsworld claims he and his agent are not happy, but then again, hoopsworld is a botttom-feeder that likes to rehash rumors and try to make them appear fresh.

The good thing for NY ... if we get Rubio here soon, they can start trying to acquire a player with some value, then maybe pursue him again 3 years or so down the road.

[Esohny]

My favorite post lately was the Knick fan who said that David Lee would have outperformed Jefferson if he had more minutes, and Jefferson was just a hair better. Entertaining in a "driving by a car accident" sort of way.

[Krapinsky]

If we have to trade one, wouldn't the ideal situation be to have Rubio go back to europe for a year?

That way Rubio's stock will improve and in the mean time Flynn will get big minutes, prove he is the balls, and win rookie of the year w/ 16pts/8rbs/2stl getting 32 minutes a game and thus his stock will improve.

[Winter Wonder]

I posted this in one of the other many Rubio threads but I'll put it here as well. Does this make us think that picking Flynn was a bad move, we took one of the PGs purely as an asset, Rubio is being a pussy or this article is BS?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13119

Misconceptions About Rubio: The Ricky Rubio situation in Minnesota is not pretty, and over the past few days we have heard a lot of voices chime in about Rubio and what his camp is seeking. When the Minnesota Timberwolves selected both Rubio and Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn in back-to-back picks last Thursday, things came unglued for the Wolves and HOOPSWORLD spent a considerable amount of time on this subject this weekend. A lot of what we're hearing on Ricky just simply is not true. Here is what's going on with Rubio:
No Problem With 'Sota: The belief that Ricky Rubio is not interested in playing in Minnesota because of climate is the furthest from the truth. Rubio's camp has made it clear that you don't get to pick your team in the draft, that's what free agency is for. Ricky and those close to him are going to be asked the weather question, but that's not weighing into the decision. The primary issue with Minnesota is the log jam they created at point guard, that's it. The reality is David Kahn did a pretty good job selling an idea to Ricky's camp prior to drafting him, and idea most of Ricky's advisors were on board with – until they drafted Jonny Flynn.

Flynn Isn't Happy Either: This is not a one sided issue. Ricky Rubio's camp has simply been the most vocal in its displeasure, but word is Johnny Flynn and his agent Leon Rose were not happy either. Neither player wants to share time and neither player is buying into the "they'd be great together" notion that David Kahn has tried to sell. Both are pure point guards that need the ball to be effective, neither wants to compete with each other.

Europe Not The Option: These reports of European teams with offers, is more about lighting a fire under the Wolves. The complexities of Rubio's buyout make him almost impossible to sign in Europe unless a team really overpays for him. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but let's be real for a minute. Ricky wants to play in the NBA and his camp is not going to do anything rash.

The Knicks Have No Assets: Rumors of the Knicks landing Rubio is a media pipe dream, the Knicks interest in Ricky is lukewarm at best, add the fact that New York has no attractive assets and a deal with the Knicks would require a third team willing to give Minnesota something it seeks. There are a number of interested teams which is why these European offers make so little sense. The Grizzlies were offered an enormous amount of options by team seeking the chance to grab Rubio, that's where the solution for Rubio's camp lies. The hope is after the free agent period opens and salaries get locked in for the 2009-2010 season real talks involving free agents can take place and a solution can be created.

The Waiting Game: This is a waiting game for all parties. The Wolves hope they can end up with Ricky at some point and have said they will wait out Ricky's contract if necessary. Rubio's camp hopes that the constant media pressure will force an action. The answer hear is either Flynn is traded or Rubio is traded. That's the hold up for the Wolves on this and with Summer League getting underway next week, we'll see how motivated the Wolves are to solve the problem, and Rubio's camp will simply have to wait this out.

I actually think the article states a number of things more clearly in regards to the Rubio situation and appreciate the find. I don't think it is nearly as confrontational as they are making things sound though, but it is the media. They tend to do somethings to make articles/publications/websites more "sellable" and/or interesting. Otherwise, it does speel out things more accurately than most other articles I have read and seems generally quite plausible. I like alot of what Flynn has been doing/saying, but he is by far the one I would prefer trading if MN was inclined to do so.

EDIT: Some spelling.

[IcemanMN]

It would be a lot easier to trade Flynn if he wins ROY as a PG. On the other hand, it would be a lot harder to move him to SG after he won ROY. If Rubio stays in Europe for another year, Flynn will surely be traded. Not exactly the outcome we were hoping for with two lottery picks.

[Esohny]

If we have to trade one, wouldn't the ideal situation be to have Rubio go back to europe for a year?

That way Rubio's stock will improve and in the mean time Flynn will get big minutes, prove he is the balls, and win rookie of the year w/ 16pts/8rbs/2stl getting 32 minutes a game and thus his stock will improve.

I'm curious. Show of hands...er, Avatars. Who feels like it would benefit us and/or Rubio to stay one more season in europe?

I'd say 1 season in europe reduces his buyout cost, gives him a year to work on his game and mature physically, and pushes off the beginning of his rookie contract for us. I'm fine with that.

*edit: I'll admit that selfishly I'd like him to be here this year so I can watch him and Flynn play together. Not that it changes the fact that there are benefits the other way.