NJ/UTAH TRADE

[SteveNets15]

I don't want Boozer but for the people who do want him, maybe we should try and trade for him now that he's staying in Utah.Maybe Simmons,Boone and that Gsw pick(if we had to) could get it done.Then we can at least try him out as a 1 year rental to see how he fits before we sign him to a longer contract.Utah isn't going to sign Milsap to come off the bench so i think they're gonna try and move Booz.I'd rather wait for the 2010 FA,i'm just putting this out there for the people who would like Boozer on this team.

NJ recieves: Carlos Boozer

UTAH recieves: Simmons,Boone and that GSW pick(if we had to)

Utah is going to sign Milsap to be there starter at pf and Boozer is going to want to play as a starter in his contract year.I see a problem in UTAH.Jerry Sloan and Dwills can get the best out of Simms and Boone.

[S.I.C. GM]

I would do this.

I didnt want to get Boozer as a FA. Now that he has not opt out. I would do this.

We are basically switching salaries for one year.

The only reason why I wouldnt do this is maybe Simmons gets us something better at the trade deadline.

[Preludepunk27]

I'm gonna say no. Does our team get better? Yes, but I think that's worse in this case. Because he just can walk away after the season, 2 things will happen:

1. We may be able to land him, but we may not

2. Our team's draft position will be around the same it was this year

If we don't resign Boozer then next summer, I think this would be a complete waste of time. I'd rather have the cap space next summer AND a top 3 pick. Then if we want Boozer, we can try to sign him.

The only benefit I see here to doing this trade is it opens up a roster spot to try to sign a veteran wing player to account for losing Simmons.

I just don't think this is the deal we need to make though.

[S.I.C. GM]

I'm gonna say no. Does our team get better? Yes, but I think that's worse in this case. Because he just can walk away after the season, 2 things will happen:

1. We may be able to land him, but we may not

2. Our team's draft position will be around the same it was this year

If we don't resign Boozer then next summer, I think this would be a complete waste of time. I'd rather have the cap space next summer AND a top 3 pick. Then if we want Boozer, we can try to sign him.

The only benefit I see here to doing this trade is it opens up a roster spot to try to sign a veteran wing player to account for losing Simmons.

I just don't think this is the deal we need to make though.

You know what I wasnt thinking about it like that, but you are right.

I changed my mind. I say NO thanks.

I say NO to any pick lower then 7 next year.

[SteveNets15]

^^^^^^Yea thats one of the negatives to this trade.I would still do this trade straight up without the GSW pick.I miss going to playoff games i don't think i can wait another year.I wouldn't even want to sign him after this season ,just use him to get into the playoffs lol it would be good for our young players to get some playoff experience.F the lottery I WANT TO WIN!!!!!!!!

[vincecarter4pres]

That package isn't getting Booze.

He's a 20/10 elite power forward who doesn't even turn 28 until the 2nd month of the season.

I don't know how I would feel about aquiring him either, still that crappy offer isn't getting him.

[Preludepunk27]

That package isn't getting Booze.

He's a 20/10 elite power forward who doesn't even turn 28 until the 2nd month of the season.

I don't know how I would feel about aquiring him either, still that crappy offer isn't getting him.

Some of the articles I was reading today were saying that with Boozer and Okur taking their options, this could totally backfire on Utah. Now they're gonna have to go into the luxury tax if they want to resign Millsap. Also, since both Boozer and Okur will now be unresticteds next summer, teams are not going to offer much at the deadline for either player. Even if they opted out this summer, Utah could have tried to do a s&t with a team to get some value for them. Next year, more teams have cap room so they will likely get nothing. At the deadline, nobody is going to offer more than expirings/2nd rounders for a 3 month rental player.

So I could actually see this happening at the deadline. I don't know why the Nets would do it, but this would be more of what they could get at the deadline.

[SteveNets15]

^^^^I agree.Utah was hoping Boozer would opt out.Now they have a problem and Okur is coming back DAM .Thats the only reason i thought about this trade because like i've said over and over i would not sign Booz to a big contract.But i would use him for a year.Even though it would hurt our lottery position.

[Revolutionistt]

If you like Boozer or not you have to like this trade. I cant grasp why anyone would dislike it. If you try to argue that it will affect our chances of landing anyone in 2010, well youre right it will affect our chances to sign someone in 2010.... IN A POSITIVE WAY! superstar athletes want to win championships first. they have a billion ways to make money. with our current roster we are a 20 win team, not very appealing to someone like lbj, bosh or wade. add boozer to our roster and we possibly make the playoffs. that sounds a little better to someone trying to decide which team to go to. and better yet sign artest as well and we get the entire 2010 free agent market!!

[nets3409]

I don't want Boozer but for the people who do want him, maybe we should try and trade for him now that he's staying in Utah.Maybe Simmons,Boone and that Gsw pick(if we had to) could get it done.Then we can at least try him out as a 1 year rental to see how he fits before we sign him to a longer contract.Utah isn't going to sign Milsap to come off the bench so i think they're gonna try and move Booz.I'd rather wait for the 2010 FA,i'm just putting this out there for the people who would like Boozer on this team.

NJ recieves: Carlos Boozer

UTAH recieves: Simmons,Boone and that GSW pick(if we had to)
r at pf and Boozer is
Utah is going to sign Milsap to be there start going to want to play as a starter in his contract year.I see a problem in UTAH.Jerry Sloan and Dwills can get the best out of Simms and Boone.

WTF i said to trade boone and bobby simmons for tmac either you are copying me or you are copying me.

[Preludepunk27]

If you like Boozer or not you have to like this trade. I cant grasp why anyone would dislike it. If you try to argue that it will affect our chances of landing anyone in 2010, well youre right it will affect our chances to sign someone in 2010.... IN A POSITIVE WAY! superstar athletes want to win championships first. they have a billion ways to make money. with our current roster we are a 20 win team, not very appealing to someone like lbj, bosh or wade. add boozer to our roster and we possibly make the playoffs. that sounds a little better to someone trying to decide which team to go to. and better yet sign artest as well and we get the entire 2010 free agent market!!

I understand your logic, but it's flawed. Yes, adding boozer actually could probably get us in the playoffs if he stays healthy, but he does worse than good for us.

We make the playoffs, we're a 15-18 pick in the draft. We miss the playoffs we're top 3-5 pick but have a solid core.

The main reason I wouldn't do this is because he'd be gone after the season. If he opted out, and we did this move and he signed an extension that left space for at least a tier 2 player in 2010, I'd be fine with this deal, but we have no assurance that he will resign now. Boozer would love coming here for 2 reasons:

1) Be close to his kid's doctors in NY

2) He'd be a major focal point of the offense, likely putting up great stats and getting him a pay day similar to what Bosh will get next summer as long as Boozer stays healthy.

Due to Boozer's past (I feel like a hypocrite saying that because I bitch about people still living in the past on Vince's actions), I won't take his word in any capacity. The Nets will try to convince him to take a longer yet cheaper deal so they can bring in a top FA to come play with him and he'll probably say "If you bring someone in like that, I'll do that for you," but then when he gets a bigger offer and bounce before we can land someone. big to play with him and our young guys.

I'm just saying, getting Boozer here doesn't guarantee anything more than giving us a worse draft pick next year. Getting him doesn't guarantee he'll stay, which won't guarantee us a big time FA to come play either. I'd rather deal with what we got, have a top 5 pick and land a big time FA that is really into our young team. If we don't land the big time FA, I really don't care because we'll have an exciting young core to watch grow and develop.

A lot of people talk about how if Lebron hypothetically came here, he wouldn't be happy because he dealt with that the first few years in Cleveland, but that is the most assinine and ignorant comment I've heard in the Lebron argument. Look at that roster and tell me anyone on that team his rookie year was worth a damn. They have like 2-3 ok guys and then ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. We have a young emerging stars in Devin and Brook, a highly touted draft pick in Terrence Williams and 2nd year player in Courtney Lee, solid role players in Keyon Dooling and CDR and Yi...who if he ever learns to play in the NBA will be the icing on the cake to go along with the incoming FA's expanding marketing strategies. I'm not even going to discuss that I'm ignoring the fact we'll have a top 3 pick most likely as well.

Bottom Line: We are NOT Cleveland. We are a poor man's Portland right now, just with more cap space. We're very appealing to any FA if we show we're a piece or two away from being legit next year. That fact doesn't have to show in the Win/Loss column though. We're fine. We'll be OK.

[Revolutionistt]

WTF i said to trade boone and bobby simmons for tmac either you are copying me or you are copying me.

although it would be nice to get rid of simmons and boone id rather it be for someone of value. best case scenario mcgrady plays 20 games, we start 13-7, mcgrady misses the rest of the season and were in the lottery.

[SteveNets15]

I don't want Boozer but for the people who do want him, maybe we should try and trade for him now that he's staying in Utah.Maybe Simmons,Boone and that Gsw pick(if we had to) could get it done.Then we can at least try him out as a 1 year rental to see how he fits before we sign him to a longer contract.Utah isn't going to sign Milsap to come off the bench so i think they're gonna try and move Booz.I'd rather wait for the 2010 FA,i'm just putting this out there for the people who would like Boozer on this team.

NJ recieves: Carlos Boozer

UTAH recieves: Simmons,Boone and that GSW pick(if we had to)
r at pf and Boozer is
Utah is going to sign Milsap to be there start going to want to play as a starter in his contract year.I see a problem in UTAH.Jerry Sloan and Dwills can get the best out of Simms and Boone.

WTF i said to trade boone and bobby simmons for tmac either you are copying me or you are copying me.

Did you take your Ritalin today?

[Preludepunk27]

I don't want Boozer but for the people who do want him, maybe we should try and trade for him now that he's staying in Utah.Maybe Simmons,Boone and that Gsw pick(if we had to) could get it done.Then we can at least try him out as a 1 year rental to see how he fits before we sign him to a longer contract.Utah isn't going to sign Milsap to come off the bench so i think they're gonna try and move Booz.I'd rather wait for the 2010 FA,i'm just putting this out there for the people who would like Boozer on this team.

NJ recieves: Carlos Boozer

UTAH recieves: Simmons,Boone and that GSW pick(if we had to)
r at pf and Boozer is
Utah is going to sign Milsap to be there start going to want to play as a starter in his contract year.I see a problem in UTAH.Jerry Sloan and Dwills can get the best out of Simms and Boone.

WTF i said to trade boone and bobby simmons for tmac either you are copying me or you are copying me.

I'm gonna say he's not copying you in any way. Simmons is our biggest expiring, so it's common sense he'd be in any deal. Management loves on our young perimeter players, which only leaves SWAT and Boone as the truly expendable guys.

This is just common sense. Chillax man.

[Rockice_8]

NO NO NO. LeBron and Bosh say they want to play together and we can sign two max guys in 2010. I know it's a crazy long shot and very unlikely but I would rather have that outside shot. Getting Boozer does nothing for this team it just puts us back into mediocrity.

[Revolutionistt]

NO NO NO. LeBron and Bosh say they want to play together and we can sign two max guys in 2010. I know it's a crazy long shot and very unlikely but I would rather have that outside shot. Getting Boozer does nothing for this team it just puts us back into mediocrity.

so where would you say we are now???

[vincecarter4pres]

Again, this offer doesn't get Boozer.

The rumor is a writer from Utah's spin on it.

I understand the situation is different then most trade scenarios, but here's the thing.
Utah's entire motivation to dump him would be to take the samllest tax hit possible, therefore they are going to want a draft pick and/or maybe a prospect, but the paramount element will be taking back the least amount of salary aloud by the CBA, that being 75% -125,000, in this deal they are actually taking on salary and for what? To recieve a trashy backup PF, a complete scrub wing paid like a face of franchise and a pick that might be 2 2nd rounders.

What the hell is their motivation to do this?

[Preludepunk27]

NO NO NO. LeBron and Bosh say they want to play together and we can sign two max guys in 2010. I know it's a crazy long shot and very unlikely but I would rather have that outside shot. Getting Boozer does nothing for this team it just puts us back into mediocrity.

so where would you say we are now???

We're rebuilding. That's completely different. Mediocrity, in my opinion, is when we're competitive but nothing better than a 2nd round exit like we were for 3-4 years after our finals seasons.

From here we have no place to go but up, it just takes some teams longer than others (see: Clippers).

[SteveNets15]

Did you just say CLIPPERS!!!!!!

[Preludepunk27]

Did you just say CLIPPERS!!!!!!

haha no thinking about it, they may be the exception to my rule. They're at the bottom and in mediocrity. Bad example thinking about it now, but we're not in mediocrity.