Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

[miller31time]

Didn't he give the pick back to Memphis for Crittenton? Incidentally, I just typed "Crittenton" into google to make sure I had the right spelling, and this came up:

http://www.talk-sports.net/nba/sucks.aspx/Javaris_Crittenton

Perhaps the most unproductive forum ever.

Hey now....that's our title.

(Welcome aboard, by the way)

[Dat2U]

Yes. We were never going to get anything major for him. Teams would be all like "why should we give you a first round pick? He doesn't want to be there!"

That's why Houston is offering Brooks and Battier. Sure, solid players, but nothing that will put a team over the hump. Houston's just trying to trade Brooks after his playoff performances.

There are no mega deals for this guy, and chances are there never will be. Teams are not going to pay a high price for a guy who will only play for like 4 teams. It's ridiculous to even suggest we were gonna get something major.

I mean, New York still offered Wilson Chandler and the 8th pick for the 5th. That's how bad the offers worth, and they STILL offered than even after Minnesota picked Rubio.

Umm, couldn't you say the same thing about the Miller, Foye package we got?

I wouldn't have minded waiting out Rubio b/c I think he's a special talent but even if EG waited to draft night we could have gotten either Miller or the 18th to move down one slot. To me that's my big problem with it. Foye isn't worth the 5th pick in the draft, especially considering he'll be a free agent next year along with Miller.

[Dat2U]

Irregardless I think the guy we'll come to end up regretting we passed on was Steph Curry. It's a gut feeling but if we were going to sell out on having a completely offensive minded team then Curry was the guy to select. Contrary to popular belief Curry was the type of rookie that could come in and contribute immediately in a team's rotation. And the sad thing about the trade was that if EG waited until draft day, he possibly could have had Curry AND Miller or at least Curry and the #18th pick. You can make an argument about Miller being a good fit next to our big three but I'd take Curry over Foye 10 times out of 10 and find it hard to believe that someone can make a legitimate argument the Foye is an ideal fit or anything more than mediocre guard.

dat, if u were to compare the 2, what categories would u say that curry excels over foye?

Good question. I'll try to break it down.

Athleticism - I give the edge to Foye, although knee problems have limited his explosiveness somewhat. Foye should be a bit better in terms of lateral movement

Shooting - I give the edge to Curry. Curry is an elite shooter IMO, Has a lightning quick release and has slick enough handles to create a shot off the dribble.

Slashing - I give the edge to Foye but again his knee issues appear to have made him more hesititant about driving. He depended heavily on his jumper this past season.

Ability to play PG - Again I give it to Curry although I know he hasn't done it yet on an NBA level. Foye has proven to be thoroughly ineffective on the NBA level as a starting PG. I think Curry displayed great court vision and has an innate feel for the game. In time I think Curry will be deadly on the pick & roll.

Defense - Because Curry is a rookie, I'll give the slight edge to Foye although he's nothing special. Foye has the tools to be a solid defender against PGs but didn't display a ton of effort in that area. Curry will get abused some as a rookie but he's smart & heady and will eventually be a fine team defender if not a one-on-one defender.

Basketball IQ - Gotta give it to Curry, along with his shooting skill it's his best attribute. It's clear being from a basketball pedigree has made him wise beyond his year and its why I think he can come in and help a team relatively quickly.

Bottom line, Foye might be a marginally better player this season but in time I think Curry possesses the ability to become a starting PG and excel at it. Plus his versatility to play either off or on the ball would have made him lethal beside Gil.

Another huge aspect to consider is Curry will be on a relatively cheap rookie contract next year. Foye will be looking for a payday following this coming season. That's one reason why I find the notion that the Wizards saved money in acquiring Foye & Miller to be misleading. In the extreme shorterm? Yes. But next year the Wizards will have to pay the piper or risk losing one or more of their free agents.

[Hoopalotta]

Foye will still attack though:

2009 (pretty dinged up for part of the year):
Inside Shooting: 28% of total FGA were inside shots
Inside shotting FG%: .491% (not so hot I admit)
Fouls Drawn: 10%
Assisted on inside shots: 28%

2008: (injured – I think he only played 30 games):
Inside Shooting: 19% of total FGA were inside shots
Inside shotting FG%: .552%
Fouls Drawn: 4% (very bad there)
Assisted on inside shots: 31%

2007:
Inside Shooting: 30% of total FGA were inside shots
Inside shotting FG%: .571%
Fouls Drawn: 9.9%
Assisted on inside shots: 32%

There's no question that you bring up a lot of good points and I am also concerned about his free agency status. One point I would mention though - not really in relation to Curry Vs. Foye, but just in regards to Foye himself - is that the Zards do have a history recently of seeing Perimeter players thrive offensively upon arrival (we can just about throw Jamison in there). Butler's old numbers from the Lakers were not that great from an efficieny standpoint, but he blew up over here.

Foye was asked to be the primary perimeter player on the Wolves which was obviously more than he could handle. Other than Jefferson, that was a horrible offensive team last year with few weapons, so it only makes sense that there are question marks.

But I think Foye is aggressive, athletic and fundamentally sound. In a role that asks less, I think there is good reason to believe that he can give more. Certainly something like Thomas, Pecherov and the 5th for the 6th/Curry and Mike Miller would have been good, but I am cautiously optimistic that Foye can burst out and make his mark.

I have to admit I am now hoping very much that Foye outshines Curry handily.

[doclinkin]

One point I would mention though - not really in relation to Curry Vs. Foye, but just in regards to Foye himself - is that the Zards do have a history recently of seeing Perimeter players thrive offensively upon arrival (we can just about throw Jamison in there). Butler's old numbers from the Lakers were not that great from an efficieny standpoint, but he blew up over here.

One problem with relying on that history though: that effect may be due to the offensive system of the last coach we had here. Granted DSteve certainly fed off Gilbert alone, like an intestinal parasite in a third-world villager. But even without Gil healthy other players in the system found some success; in fact some numbers point to Jamison's perimeter skill as a key factor in guard success, more than Gil. When Tawn is hitting well the defense is stretched. Guards get free. Jordan had him wide and shooting often, said he didn't shoot _enough_ threes when he first got here.

Not sure that Flip will really allow Jamison to float around the perimeter and jack shots quite so freely at the PF spot. Maybe, though. He seemed happy enough with KG, and it's not like Sheed ever stopped gunning from long. The roster actually seems to fit many of Flips preferred sets and strengths, aside from the loss of our only competent pick & screen Big (DSong).

Still, hard to say what effect the change of system may do, can't really rely on recent Wizards history as a guide. All history is new again.

[Kanyewest]

Foye was asked to be the primary perimeter player on the Wolves which was obviously more than he could handle. Other than Jefferson, that was a horrible offensive team last year with few weapons, so it only makes sense that there are question marks.

Agreed.

When Jefferson went out, he was asked to be the primary option; only a top 5 level talent could have made that team competitive. Sure they have solid players like Ryan Gomes, Mike Miller, and Kevin Love but those are below average players in terms of starters especially since Gomes and Love are young players. Sebastian Telfair as a starting backcourt mate spells trouble much like Mike James since he shot below 40% for the year and not that great of a point guard. Reserves like Rashad McCants and Mark Madsen aren't anything to brag about.

Flip Saunders is familiar with what Foye (and Miller) can do because he followed the T-Wolves when he was living in Minnesota with his year off. So is Randy Wittman who was Randy Foye's coach at this time last year. So we'll see if Saunders and Wittman know what they are doing along with EG.

[Hoopalotta]

One problem with relying on that history though: that effect may be due to the offensive system of the last coach we had here. Granted DSteve certainly fed off Gilbert alone, like an intestinal parasite in a third-world villager.

Still, hard to say what effect the change of system may do, can't really rely on recent Wizards history as a guide. All history is new again.

Well.....there's that. Must that mojo go? Et tu shootus?

It's a bit early to say in a 'chicken and egg' way. I am still optimistic that he will meld with our personnel to up the talent level. But if the EJ point is extrapolated even further, it would suggest (maybe) that we wouldn't see the same kind of results out of our established fellers once he was gone. But Jamison did put up a nice offensive season regardless. Not to say that that's any kind of conclusive evidence or anything as it would be very easy to dip into counter points, but it is at least worth mentioning.

And flip does have his lucky coin......

[DCZards]

Flip Saunders is familiar with what Foye (and Miller) can do because he followed the T-Wolves when he was living in Minnesota with his year off. So is Randy Wittman who was Randy Foye's coach at this time last year. So we'll see if Saunders and Wittman know what they are doing along with EG.

The fact that Flip and Wittman were down with this trade says a lot. Flip and Randy know both Miller and Foye--their personalities, their work ethic, what they'll contribute both on and off the court.

EG doesn't pull the trigger on the trade without getting that bright green light from Flip and Wittman.

[Kanyewest]

Here's a Randy Foye mix that I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST-Jd5hPhSI

[andyhop]

As a Minny fan I think that Foye has every quality except defensive ability you could want in a combo guard, he can score and be a playmaker unfortunately he can't do either consistently or at the same time.

He is frustrating to watch because at his best he is very good but that is maybe one game in 7 or 8 along with a few ok games and a few bad games.

He is probably best suited to a 6th man role where you see how he is going when he comes on and adjust his minutes depending on how well he is playing that day.

If you find a way to improve his consistency you will have a very nice pick up.

[verbal8]

He is frustrating to watch because at his best he is very good but that is maybe one game in 7 or 8 along with a few ok games and a few bad games.

That sounds like a description of Haywood a few years ago.

[queridiculo]

That sounds like a description of Haywood a few years ago.

Sounds like the description of just about any 2/3 year player in this league.

[80sballboy]

With Rubio staying overseas for two more seasons, this trade made more sense than ever, especially for a team that couldn't afford to wait.

[Ji]

I bet Rubio would of stayed with us

or....we still could of traded the pick after Rubio fell to us..and got Minnesota 18th pick. I am thinking we had the chance for the 18th pick but Abe didnt want to pay that salary

[Wizardspride]

I bet Rubio would of stayed with us

or....we still could of traded the pick after Rubio fell to us..and got Minnesota 18th pick. I am thinking we had the chance for the 18th pick but Abe didnt want to pay that salary

It was reported in the Washington Post or Times that the Wiz tried to get the 18th from Minnesota but they refused.

[Hoopalotta]

The Rubio experience seems more like having an 18 year old girlfriend rather than an 18 year old point guard.

Or they going to play basketball or 'what am I thinking'?

[Rafael122]

I bet Rubio would of stayed with us

or....we still could of traded the pick after Rubio fell to us..and got Minnesota 18th pick. I am thinking we had the chance for the 18th pick but Abe didnt want to pay that salary

Rubio didn't want to come here. Get over it.

Our salary is about the same as it was before the trade. I'm tired of hearing about this "Abe is cheap" argument. Look at the friggin salaries on this team and come back and tell me if we're being cheap. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league.

[yungal07]

I bet Rubio would of stayed with us

or....we still could of traded the pick after Rubio fell to us..and got Minnesota 18th pick. I am thinking we had the chance for the 18th pick but Abe didnt want to pay that salary

Rubio didn't want to come here. Get over it.

Our salary is about the same as it was before the trade. I'm tired of hearing about this "Abe is cheap" argument. Look at the friggin salaries on this team and come back and tell me if we're being cheap. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league.

I seriously wonder if Ji says stuff just to get a rile out of people...

[Kanyewest]

Rubio Staying With DKV Joventut
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _joventut/

[JWizmentality]

Rubio Staying With DKV Joventut
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _joventut/

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