OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit

CelticFaninLBC · Post #21 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:41 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:I was going under the premise of Hamilton to Dallas. Hamilton to the Clippers will stunt the growth of E. Gordon. Besides, Hamilton and B. Davis in the back court is a pricey tandem.

Was thinking they'd put him @ sf..

BillessuR6 · Post #22 » by **BillessuR6** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:45 pm

Ray for Prince and RIP makes sense for both teams. It allows DET to be a major player in free agency again next season and we get quality players in return...

Post #23 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:50 pm

Broussard mentions even boston has contacted Villaneuvas people.

TheOGJabroni · Post #24 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:56 pm

thebirdman wrote:Ray for Prince and RIP makes sense for both teams. It allows DET to be a major player in free agency again next season and we get quality players in return...

Even so, I still feel there is no way Detroit does this if they turned down our offer that included Rondo for Stuck. Unless Detroit is seriously that high on Stuckey.

Tayshaun backing up Paul and Rip does sound nice though. Just not likely whatsoever.

Rocky5000 · Post #25 » by **Rocky5000** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:59 pm

General board says that Gordon to DET is official, 5 years 50 million.

Post #26 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:02 pm

Yikes. From Chicago to detroit. Nice rivalry there.

Post #27 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:15 pm

Gboard is also speculating a Boozer for Rip Hamilton deal. Det could be scary next year.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #28 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:22 pm

thebirdman wrote:Ray for Prince and RIP makes sense for both teams. It allows DET to be a major player in free agency again next season and we get quality players in return...

That would leave the Pistons with no 3 at all. Ray is far too small to play the 3

s1ickd · Post #29 » by **s1ickd** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 7:54 pm

No way on earth Rip stays... unless the Pistons think Gordon is cool with being a 6th man... which they would be totaly wrong on. Yes, Gordon was a sixth man during his rookie year. He is also a MUCH improved player since then and is still getting better.

It may be wise to turn Rip into some younger, taller front court depth in the starting lineup though. Maxiell, Villanueva, and McDeyes aren't going to cut it.

campybatman · Post #30 » by **campybatman** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 7:57 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
bonsaiflipflops wrote:I was going under the premise of Hamilton to Dallas. Hamilton to the Clippers will stunt the growth of E. Gordon. Besides, Hamilton and B. Davis in the back court is a pricey tandem.

Was thinking they'd put him @ sf..

Did you forget about Thornton? He'd averaged thirty-plus minutes for them this season.

Post #31 » by **Darth Celtic** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 8:00 pm

well, bulls get worse = helps us
cavs dont get cv = helsp us
pistons already blew up team that can give us fits = helps us

i think bulls will still make playoffs, but with kg, wallace and others im' sure, they wont go 7 with us, not even 5 maybe.

TheOGJabroni · Post #32 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 8:25 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:well, bulls get worse = helps us
cavs dont get cv = helsp us
pistons already blew up team that can give us fits = helps us

i think bulls will still make playoffs, but with kg, wallace and others im' sure, they wont go 7 with us, not even 5 maybe.

If the Pistons turned Rip into Boozer and have a solid defending center (some may feel that is Kwame), they may not be half bad.

Kwame / Maxiell
Boozer / Charlie V
Prince / Charlie V
Gordon / Afflalo
Stuck / Bynum

They'd be getting a lot younger and still pretty good IMO.

chakdaddy · Post #33 » by **chakdaddy** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:16 pm

Boy, this is not what they had in mind when they were clearing that cap room. They're going to be awful.

Worst thing for them was Boozer staying. They should save the cap space for next year.

m23uza1hem36 · Post #34 » by **m23uza1hem36** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:34 am

bosFcelts wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:well, bulls get worse = helps us
cavs dont get cv = helsp us
pistons already blew up team that can give us fits = helps us

i think bulls will still make playoffs, but with kg, wallace and others im' sure, they wont go 7 with us, not even 5 maybe.

If the Pistons turned Rip into Boozer and have a solid defending center (some may feel that is Kwame), they may not be half bad.

Kwame / Maxiell
Boozer / Charlie V
Prince / Charlie V
Gordon / Afflalo
Stuck / Bynum

They'd be getting a lot younger and still pretty good IMO.

Daye would most likely be the back up small forward...

jfs1000d · Post #35 » by **jfs1000d** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:46 am

Gordon to the point? Or off the bench?

Or perhaps Dumars wants to recreate the Isiah-Dumars backcourt,which was essentially 2 players with PG and shooting skills dividing time as the PGwith Gordon-Stuckey.

Can't see how Rip is on this team.Tough call on a Boston trade for Ray Allen. I would probably stay with ray.

greenbeans · Post #36 » by **greenbeans** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:57 am

Thinking about Rip as a great 6th man here, wonder if Detroit would have any interest in a S&T with Big Baby and expirings attached? Or Perk and get something else back..

GreenGrizz · Post #37 » by **GreenGrizz** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:03 am

Detriot is done. Those signings don't make any sense. They look awfully weaker.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #38 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:07 am

You can sort of justify the Gordon signing, he's young and a different sort of scorer than Hamilton, who becomes expendable just before he might break down (sort of like the original Stackhouse-Hamilton trade)- but Villanueva? He scored some points on a bad team in a contract year, still not much of a defender or rebounder. Dumars is supposed to be a good GM, but he's putting a lot on Stuckey and whatever he might get for Rip/Tayshaun in a trade.

Post #39 » by **Spin Move** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 4:44 am

I like these moves for us, but not for detriot, they just added 2 bad defensive players and Charlie V really has not impressed me that much, Ben Gorden for big bucks really, I mean he is a good scorer, but he is a limited player not a great passer and a liability against bigger 2's.

7r5ur · Post #40 » by **7r5ur** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 6:14 am

Spin Move wrote:I like these moves for us, but not for detriot, they just added 2 bad defensive players and Charlie V really has not impressed me that much, Ben Gorden for big bucks really, I mean he is a good scorer, but he is a limited player not a great passer and a liability against bigger 2's.

You may end up right, but the idea is to have Stuckey guard 2's given that he's 6-5 205lbs. We'll see how it works out, but he was easily our best defender against Lebron in the playoffs. It's the small quick PGs that give him more trouble. So, that could work out.

But yea, unless we get rid of Rip (I can't imagine not), it makes zero sense.