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Post#241 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:37 pm

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Gordon, Villanueva visit Pistons
Free agents Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva flew into Detroit today for a meeting with Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars and could be approaching deals to bring their talents to Motown.

Both are unrestricted free agents and their acquisitions would be significant as Dumars could then concentrate on upgrading the talent along the frontcourt. The Pistons are the clear favorite to sign Gordon and a deal could be reached as early as this afternoon as the Bulls have salary-cap issues that may make their interest in retaining Gordon moot.It's expected he will command a salary in the range of $9 to $10 million per year.

Gordon, 26, a five-year veteran with the Chicago Bulls, is a scoring whiz who is a great shooter and adept at running the pick-and-roll. He stands 6-foot-3 and carries a career 18.5 scoring average. Villaneuva, 24, is a 6-10 forward with a budding inside-outside game. He is coming off career highs in scoring (16.2) and rebounding (6.7). He is a four-year veteran. The Pistons have an estimated $18-20 million in salary cap room for this free agency period which began at 12:01 a.m. this morning. And while the free agency period began last night, teams can't officially sign players until next Wednesday. On the coaching front, the Pistons have contacted former Mavericks coach Avery Johnson, former Pistons coach Doug Collins and former Pistons assistant John Kuester as possible replacements for Michael Curry, who was fired Tuesday after one season.

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Post#242 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:40 pm

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Inmates Running the Asylum
Michael Curry has been fired by Joe Dumars.That headline barely hit the the news when the rumors started circulating as to who could possibly become the Piston's new coach. However, this story began last season with the controversy over the trading of Chauncey Billups to Denver for Allen Iverson.When that story broke it wasn't long after that when we heard about how upset Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince was over losing Chauncey. I thought that they would eventually prove to be consummate professionals and greet their new teammate with open arms.

As soon as AI was named as a Piston his Detroit Jersey sales skyrocketed.The media sought out AI for interviews.It wasn't long before it became apparent that the Piston's cohesiveness and comraderie was being affected. I distinctly recall a particular game early in the season when AI drove through the lane and Tayshaun,Rip and Sheed were all out on the perimeter in stationary positions.Three opposing players collapsed on AI and he ended up turning the ball over.Not one of those three players budged from their original spots. I thought then that something out of the ordinary was happening on this team. In light of what has subsequently been released as far as all the drama that ensued on the team I have come to one conclusion.Rip Hamilton was the true cause of the drama. The main reason for the drama was pure and simple jealousy.Rip saw his little status being effected by the acquisition of AI and also saw him as the reason why his friend Chauncey was no longer there.

This is not a story about Rip or Tayshaun or even Curry. This is a story which actually spans several seasons. What this story is really about is the fact that the Piston's upper management has not empowered the coaches that they have had. The inmates have been allowed to run the asylum.The firing of Michael Curry has more to do with Rip Hamilton and his ego than it has to do with dissatisfaction with Curry's coaching ability. Rip has proven to be a player who is more interested in feeding his ego than he is in winning.Anytime you have someone who is a proven lockerroom cancer you need to get rid of it. Avery Johnson is on his way to Detroit to speak to Dumars about the coaching vacancy. Doug Collins has also been mentioned (this would be a huge mistake)he was already the head coach of Detroit from 1995-97 during that time period the Piston's won a whopping 2 playoff games. I can't for the life of me understand why the Piston's would not hire Laimbeer as coach.He would be my number one choice given his Piston's pedigree.However I am not Joe Dumars. I see him taking Avery Johnson.I hope he knows how to pucker up and let the patients run the asylum.

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Post#243 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:41 pm

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will we lose RASHEED?
is he going to ORLANDO?do you think that we will get HEDO?

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Post#244 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:44 pm

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Who's gonna Coach the team
I was shocked when Curry got canned yesterday.
I'm baffled with the moves we have made but, Joe is the man so,I'm gonna trust his judgement & pray @ the same time. B-Ball gods bless my Pistons n '09-10 season

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Post#245 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:46 pm

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David Lee Anybody
Guess we're going to try and get Charlie V. I would rather have David Lee from the Knicks. Lee averaged like 16pts. and 11.7rebs. for the season. Charlie averaged about 16pts. and 6rebs. Stats don't lie, I'm sick of us trying to get popular players that aren't good.

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Post#246 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:53 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,174064

This is Detroit's haul?
I like and respect the games of Ben Gordon(notes) and Charlie Villanueva(notes). I think both players -- while shot-happy, mercurial, and crummy on defense - have been unfairly maligned throughout their careers. What I just can't imagine, knowing throughout 2008-09 that the Pistons would have heaps of cap space to work with this summer, that this is how fans of the team assumed things would work out.Carlos Boozer's(notes) staying in Utah, I understand that option is off the table. By mid-season, last year, it became more and more likely that Boozer wouldn't want to walk away from guaranteed money in 2009-10. Not in this climate, not with his 2008-09 play. And beyond that, the free agent pickings are somewhat slim. But Gordon and CV? This soon? Woj is reporting that both will be in Detroit today, and likely to sign with the Pistons. And that their new contracts will take up most of Detroit's $20 million in cap space.So, that's your team. Those are your Pistons. That's the payoff of the rebuilding process. Yikes.

We know why Villanueva is available. The Bucks didn't want to extend a qualifying offer to their once-restricted free agent forward, and for good reason. The team is trying to figure its future out, and adding new salary for a very good-but-not-great player while confusion reigns is never a good idea. Even if all of CV's offers fell by the wayside and he had to sign for the QO, nah. Just not worth it, even if his play and contributions are worth much more than the QO. Gordon? The Bulls prepared to do this for years. Team owner Jerry Reinsdorf is easily the cheapest in the NBA, taking in quite a bit of profit while refusing to pay the luxury tax, or retain players that he's not entirely comfortable with. You've been able to see the writing on the wall for years with this move. It's why the team makes all sorts of moves to approach the tax (like spending guaranteed money on two draft picks who aren't even likely to be in next year's rotation) just to leave itself the excuse to not pay Gordon, a huge scoring threat for a team that sometimes struggles to top 80 points in a game. Chicago will toss out John Salmons'(notes) name, of course, because most of their fans won't remember that Salmons will turn 30 later this year, and will be about to enter the down side of his career. The Bulls always leave you a carrot, always refusing to smartly spend money in the proper areas while distracting you with the luck of the Derrick Rose(notes) lottery selection, or a seven game series loss to a team missing its best player. And Detroit? I just thought they could do better. I understand that you have to wrap up talent and assets (because talent is an asset) early in the free agent game, before someone comes along with a newer, bluer, offer. And I understand that, supposedly, you don't want to rake the players who you're trusting to turn your team around over the coals, letting them twist for too long while you explore other options.

But ... no. Explore other options. Almost $20 million in cap space means you can trade for great players, give up nothing but draft picks or also-rans, and absorb the salary hit under the cap. It means you have flexibility. It means you can do better than Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. Again, I like both players, and am sorry to come across like I'm denigrating them, but you have to look around longer.And if you do explore, and there's nothing to find? Hurt feelings have a tendency to float away once you hand nearly $20 million over to two players. By next season, they'll forget that you agreed to terms on August 19th, instead of July 1st. For now, though, this is it for the Pistons. They'll try to trade Rip Hamilton, but the only team that would take on an above-average player (at this stage, this is what Hamilton is) with a superstar contract would be a team making a massive mistake. And do you want a team that makes massive mistakes' players? Rodney Stuckey(notes), Gordon, Hamilton, CV, Tayshaun Prince(notes), Jason Maxiell(notes), Aaron Afflalo. Maybe Austin Daye(notes). That's a rotation worth singing about? The Pistons figure to have a small amount of cap space next summer, even if Hamilton stays on board and with the new contracts, but not nearly enough to try and seduce Chris Bosh(notes), Dwyane Wade(notes), or LeBron James(notes). The only hope is that the team can finagle a deal with Bosh using its remaining cap space. But that would also mean giving up an asset, and most indications are that Bosh wants to go where James goes (or, likely, stays) anyway. It seems like a fun team. Gordon and CV are certainly far cheerier than Allen Iverson(notes) and Rasheed Wallace(notes). I'm just not sure it's a knockout team. And I'm not sure that rotation is worth spending nearly $60 million on, which is what the Pistons would be doing next year if Ben and Charlie come on board.

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Post#247 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:57 pm

http://pistonpost.com/2009/07/01/dear-j ... en-gordon/

Dear Joe Dumars, Please Don’t Sign Ben Gordon.
If I was cool enough to be able to reach Joe Dumars, I would write him a letter.
I like to keep things brief, so the letter would look something like this:

Mr. Dumars,
I am a loyal Pistons fan. Look, I even have a Pistons blog. But knowing Ben Gordon is at the Palace right now makes me a bit queezy.
Remember how Allen Iverson did with Detroit? Imagine having a player who takes double as many shots, only half of them were ill-advised threes from five feet beyond the arc. Sounds bad, huh? Well, that’s what you’ll be watching if you sign Ben Gordon.
Did I mention the word “defense” isn’t in his vocabulary?
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Post#248 » by nasty daddy » Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:59 pm

http://www.freep.com/article/20090701/S ... ith+Gordon

Pistons agree to deal with Gordon, Villanueva
The Pistons have a new shooting guard: Ben Gordon. And a new forward: Charlie Villanueva.

Gordon, a free-agent from the Chicago Bulls, and Villanueva, a free-agent from the Milwaukee Bucks, agreed in principle Wednesday to join the Pistons, the Free Press has learned.Teams cannot officially announce deals until July 8. Gordon's deal is believed to be worth $55 million over five years. Villanueva's deal is $35 million over five years.

Gordon has led the Bulls in scoring in each of the last four years and was the Pistons' top free-agent target this offseason. Gordon and Villanueva visited the Pistons' practice facility Wednesday, the first day of NBA free agency.

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Post#249 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:03 am

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Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva visit Pistons
Ben Gordon and free agent Charlie Villanueva both showed up at the Pistons practice facility Wednesday and met with president Joe Dumars. Negotiations with Villanueva were ongoing. Gordon and Villanueva, teammates on the 2003-2004 U-Conn Huskies team, have been the Pistons top free agent targets for a couple of weeks.

Gordon, 26, averaged 20.7 points for the Bulls last season, and was brilliant averaging 24 points in the seven-game playoff series against the Celtics. The Pistons were believe to be offering a deal that would pay Gordon roughly $50 million over five years. Villanueva, 24, is 6-11 and coming off the best year of his career, averaging 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds for the Bucks. Though Cleveland and Toronto have expressed interest, the Pistons are expected to be able to offer him more money, perhaps starting him out between $6.5 million and $7 million.

The Pistons also would like to find a way to re-sign Antonio McDyess, who is an unrestricted free agent. McDyess' agent said Wednesday that the Pistons remain on his short list. "He's digesting it all right now," said Andy Miller. "The bulk of teams that have called understand the criteria we've outlined. We have our group and now it's up to Antonio to survey the situation and try to put them in some kind of order." The Pistons, Houston, Cleveland, San Antonio and Boston are believed to be among McDyess' suitors. McDyess, 35, is expected to get an offer starting around the mid-level exception ($5.6 million). When asked if the firing of Michael Curry helped put the Pistons back on McDyess' radar, Miller said, "I think he would have considered them anyway, regardless, but that certainly didn't hurt."

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Post#250 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:04 am

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Dumars did speak to Avery Johnson on Tuesday night about the coaching vacancy. He has not, as of Wednesday, reached out to Doug Collins , another on Dumars' short list. Dumars wants the coach in place before the Pistons begin summer league in Las Vegas July 7.

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Post#251 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:05 am

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The Pistons, as expected, waived forward Fabricio Oberto , whom they acquired in the trade for Amir Johnson last week. The move gives them another $1.8 million in cap space.

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Post#252 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:08 am

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Gordon, Villanueva meet with Pistons
Sharp-shooting guard Ben Gordon and fellow UConn alumnus Charlie Villanueva were in Michigan on Wednesday on a shared free-agent visit with the Detroit Pistons.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reported earlier Wednesday that Gordon and Villanueva could both receive contract offers from the Pistons on the first day of free agency, with Detroit apparently intent on splitting its projected $19 million in salary-cap space on the two former Huskies.

Villanueva is also believed to be high on the wish list of the Cleveland Cavaliers, who embarrassed the Pistons by sweeping them in the opening round of the playoffs. But the Cavaliers' best offer to Villanueva can start at no higher than $5.6 million, which is the NBA's projected mid-level exception for next season.

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Post#253 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:16 am

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/ ... iston.html

Ben Gordon will be a Detroit Piston
The Detroit Pistons didn't waste any time during free agency as they secured a commitment from Ben Gordon on the first day of free agency. The 6-foot-3 guard is expected to receive a five-year deal that will average out to more than $10 million per season.

Gordon, 26, is coming off a season in which he averaged a career-high 20.2 points per game. He was even better in the playoffs. Gordon led the Chicago Bulls with a 24.3 points per game average which helped push the Boston Celtics to the brink of playoff elimination before Boston put the series away with a 109-99 Game 7 win. In the Game 7 loss, Gordon poured in 33 points.Throughout the Celtics series, Gordon cemented his reputation for late-game heroics by drilling one last-second shot after another.

Detroit knows a thing or two about Gordon's late-game heroics. On February 10 in Chicago, Gordon converted a 4-point play with 16.7 seconds remaining to give the Bulls a lead they would not relinquish. Gordon's strength as a player has always been his ability to score, evident by him averaging at least 15 points per game since coming into the NBA despite spending his first couple years primarily as a reserve.

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Post#254 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:27 am

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Detroit Pistons and Ben Gordon agree on contract
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that Ben Gordon and the Detroit Pistons a verbal agreement on a contract.

The Detroit Pistons have reached agreement with free-agent guard Ben Gordon on a five-year contract worth around $55 million, a source with knowledge of the talks told Yahoo! Sports Wednesday evening.

The Pistons are continuing to negotiate with forward Charlie Villanueva. A 5-year $55 million dollar contract is what Ben Gordon was reported to be looking for, and the starting salary for that deal would by just under $9.5 million. The Pistons have been reported to have $20 million in cap space, so will still have around $10.5 million to spend on other free agents. If Charlie Villanueva agree to a contract starting at around the $7 million dollar range, Dumars will have a little cap space left over to initiate a salary cap trade or to sign a lower level free agent. Stay tuned...

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Post#255 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:29 am

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Piston get their men, agree to deals with Gordon and Villanueva
Newsday and CBS Sports are both reporting that both Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva have agreed to become Pistons next season.

A person with the knowledge of the negotiations says the Detroit Pistons have agreed in principle to contracts with free agents Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva...Villanueva, the seventh overall pick by Toronto in 2006 who has played all three of his NBA season with the Milwaukee Bucks, also agreed to a five-year deal. His contract is worth at least $35 million.

If the deal for Villanueva is a 5 year $35 million dollar contract, than that is a starting salary of almost $6.1 million dollars. That would be a very good deal for the Pistons. If Gordon's contract is the 5 year $55 million dollar deal that starts out at less than $9.5 million, that means that Joe Dumars will still have around $4.4 million dollars in cap space to spend on another free agent or to facilitate a salary cap trade to bring in another big man. Stay tuned...

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Post#256 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:33 am

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The Genius of the Allen Iverson Trade: Gone
When Allen Iverson was traded to the Pistons, I wrote a post about how smart the Pistons were. The trade positioned them to be major players in free agency in their choice of years -- 2009 or 2010. With (then) a winning tradition, a big fanbase, a talented roster and a general manager with a stellar reputation, the Pistons looked to be in position to add some extraordinary pieces.

At the time, I threw around names like LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Now they are a team with a fired coach, several key veterans with one foot out the door, and good players who don't appear to fit well together. Today the talk is that the Pistons have their sights set on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. Both players are good, of course. But nothing like Chris Bosh and LeBron James, you know?

I find the Gordon story particularly perplexing. He needs the ball and playing time to do what he does, which is also true of Rip Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey. I can't imagine how this is the first step in rebuilding a champion. If that's what that cap space turns into ... I take it all back. I'd like to officially recant my assertion that the Billups trade was a stroke of genius. Thank you.

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Post#257 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:35 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

Pistons strike deal with Gordon
The Detroit Pistons have reached agreement with free-agent guard Ben Gordon(notes) and forward Charlie Villanueva(notes), a source with knowledge of the talks told Yahoo! Sports Wednesday evening.

Gordon will receive a five-year contract worth around $55 million while Villanueva’s five-year deal is expected to be worth about $35 million.

July 8 is the first day free agents can officially sign contracts. Gordon and Villanueva, who played together for a year at UConn, traveled to Detroit on Wednesday morning to meet with Detroit president Joe Dumars.

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Post#258 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:39 am

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Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)
The Detroit Pistons struck first Wednesday, getting commitments from their top two free-agent targets, Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. Gordon agreed to a five-year, $55 million deal, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. Villanueva also agreed to a five-year deal in the $35 million range -- or slightly above the anticipated mid-level exception of $5.6 million per year -- a person involved in those discussions said. The exact figures won't be known until the deals are signed on July 8, after the league and players association agree on the salary cap and luxury tax for the 2009-10 season.

After firing coach Michael Curry Tuesday, Pistons president Joe Dumars acted swiftly in targeting Gordon and Villanueva with the salary-cap space produced by the controversial decision to trade Chauncey Billups to the Nuggets for Allen Iverson and his $22 million expiring contract last November. But the signings posed two potential problems: 1) There isn't enough room in the same backcourt for Gordon, Richard Hamilton, and Rodney Stuckey; and 2) The Pistons will no longer be major players in the much better free-agent summer of 2010. Not able to afford another miserable season for the mere chance that a big-ticket free agent would come to Detroit in '10, Dumars decided to strike now. The Pistons were among only a handful of teams with significant cap space this summer, and thus could dictate which players they pursued. Next summer, they might've ended up on the periphery of the excitement when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and others were looking for not only money, but also a championship-ready roster to join.

The Pistons don't have a championship roster, but they did have money. As a buyer in a seller's market, Dumars obviously felt the time to act was this summer, not next. The backcourt logjam lends credence to the idea that Dumars isn't finished shuffling the deck this summer. Some league executives have speculated that once Dumars landed Gordon, a prolific scorer who doesn't do much else, he would begin exploring trade possibilities for Hamilton. That's somewhat ironic, given that Hamilton's contentious relationship with Curry led, in part, to the coach being fired after only one season. Hamilton has four years and nearly $50 million left on the extension he signed shortly before Billups was shipped to Denver and the demolition of the Pistons began. Moving Hamilton would give Dumars a Gordon-Stuckey backcourt, which presumably either Doug Collins or Avery Johnson -- the two front-runners to succeed Curry -- would find intriguing.

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Post#259 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:43 am

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Sources: Gordon, Villanueva to Pistons
The Detroit Pistons made the biggest early splash in free agency on Wednesday, agreeing to terms with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

Former Bulls guard Gordon will receive a five-year, $55 million deal, while former Bucks forward Villanueva gets a five-year deal for $40 million, sources told ESPN.com's Chris Broussard. Gordon rejected deals from Chicago in excess of $50 million each of the past two seasons. Milwaukee elected to let the 24-year-old Villanueva become an unrestricted free agent earlier this week, after the Bucks determined that matching any restricted free-agent offers would move the team closer to the luxury tax threshold and limit changing the roster. The Associated Press first reported the Villanueva signing. Free agents can't officially sign with new teams until July 8.

Gordon, who was taken third in the 2004 draft by Chicago, led the Bulls in scoring each of the past four seasons. He averaged 20.4 points per game on 45.5 percent shooting last year. For his career, he has a 21.3 points per game average. Villanueva, the seventh overall pick by Toronto in 2006 who has played the past three seasons with the Bucks, averaged 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds per game last season. The Pistons now turn their attention to re-signing forward Antonio McDyess, but they'll have competition from the Cavaliers, Celtics and Spurs.

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Post#260 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:45 am

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baske ... ility.html

* - On the David Lee front: Walsh said he was in touch with Lee's agent, Mark Bartelstein, earlier this morning to begin negotiations. Lee has been in Indonesia for an NBA-sponsored function and is expected to be back in the U.S. this weekend.

There have been some unconfirmed rumors about Memphis preparing a big offer for Lee, but from what I understand the Grizzlies are under the usual budget constraints and, therefore, likely are not in the position to shovel $8M to $10M at David Lee. Again, we keep hearing OKC is targeting Paul Millsap. And Charlie Villanueva seems to be the target in Detroit. David's options, at least on the open market, may be dwindling.

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