Josh Childress to visit the Milwaukee Bucks

[HMFFL]

And forward Josh Childress, who started the trend of NBA players going overseas last season by signing with Greek power Olympiacos for three years and $20 million, will visit the Milwaukee Bucks on Thursday, according to his agent, Jim Tanner. Childress can return to the NBA, but his rights would still be owned by the Atlanta Hawks, who drafted him in 2004, as a restricted free agent -- meaning the Hawks could match any offer from other teams for Childress. But Childress has not yet decided whether to stay in Greece for a second season or come back to the NBA.

Childress does not want to return to the Hawks, however. Link

[niffoc4]

As tight as they are with money right now, could they be looking to do an S&T? Since we're already out for 2010 FA's, would we agree to take back 2010 money (like Gadzuric?) if the sweetener was right?

[raleigh]

^^^BYC issues.

[WiscoKing13]

this blew up in the bucks forum

I would do something like
Sessions(MLE) and Bell
for childress(MLE) and a second

[WiscoKing13]

As tight as they are with money right now, could they be looking to do an S&T? Since we're already out for 2010 FA's, would we agree to take back 2010 money (like Gadzuric?) if the sweetener was right?

sessions(mle) and gadz
for josh

done

[raleigh]

Sekou says the Hawks will match the MLE for Childress.

And that a number of other teams are interested, too. (LAL, LAC, CLE, etc.).

[WiscoKing13]

Sekou says the Hawks will match the MLE for Childress.

And that a number of other teams are interested, too. (LAL, LAC, CLE, etc.).

when did you owner/gm(whoever that is) say that?
No other team is going to work with you to get you a starting PG

[raleigh]

Wisco, Josh Childress will require around the MLE to sign. That will make him BYC, which means a S&T with the Hawks is not likely (They don't have enough movable parts on their roster to get around the BYC).

So, if the Bucks want Childress, they need to offer him a multi-year deal at the MLE and wait 7 days.

[WiscoKing13]

does the BYC apply since the bucks are under the cap(if bowen is waived)

[raleigh]

They'd have to be far enough under the cap to absorb the first year salary. IOW, at least $5M under the cap.

[WiscoKing13]

now a complete hypothetical

Theirs a long standing redd trade agreed on upon between bucks fans and dallas fans for redd

Since then we would be under the more than 5 mil

what contract would you eat for sessions, charlie(you add a second) or Gadz?

[raleigh]

Sessions would also be BYC. Double S&T's are about as likely as planets colliding.

[WiscoKing13]

any chance on a Ridnour for Childress trade?

you need pg depth

[evildallas]

Sessions would also be BYC. Double S&T's are about as likely as planets colliding.

The dinosaurs were actually wiped out by a double S&T.

My understanding of BYC is based on our position with respect to the cap, not Milwaukee. If he really doesn't want to come back to Atlanta (which I don't really want him anyway), he won't sign an offer sheet. The offer sheet, if not outrageous, could be matched. He then could be traded anywhere, but Milwaukee. Based on Childress's last year here we can receive up to $4,539,311 back in salary without adding players to the deal to make BYC. Milwaukee would have to be able to accommodate the net increase in salary under the cap.

Here's a thought, Kurt Thomas and 1st round pick with reasonable protection (lottery protected at least for year 1) for Childress. Kurt Thomas gives a veteran big who can play D and rebound 15 minutes a night. He makes 3.8M for 1 year. We don't have a long term commitment. Charlie Bell fits the salary, but is signed for multiple years which I don't like the idea of. Gadzuric's contract is horrible. Amir Johnson fits the bill, but I is Josh Smith-lite and I assume they wanted him as more than an expiring deal.

It's not a wow deal for a lot of our fans like getting Sessions, but it fills a need and gives us a future asset (the pick) without going too far toward luxury tax. I'm not sure of the Milwaukee cap hold situation.

[raleigh]

Based on Childress's last year here we can receive up to $4,539,311 back in salary without adding players to the deal to make BYC.

No, the way it works is this:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73

Here is an example of a BYC calculation: A player earned $2 million in 2004-05, after which he became a free agent. He then signs a new contract (re-signing with his previous team, which is over the salary cap) starting at $9 million. This player qualifies for BYC, so his trade value is the greater of his previous salary ($2 million) or 50% of his new salary ($4.5 million), or $4.5 million. So this player, who actually earns $9 million, is worth $4.5 million for trading purposes.

When comparing salaries for trade, teams use their own player's BYC value and the other player's full salary, even if the other player is also BYC. Here is a simple example -- two $5 million players, both of whom are re-signed (by teams over the cap) for $10 million. Both players become base year players whose base year amount is $5 million (50% of the new salary). If the teams want to trade these players for each other they compare their player's base year amount to the other player's full salary. So each team can take back a maximum of 125% plus $100,000 of their player's $5 million base year amount, or $6.35 million. They compare $6.35 million to the other player's full $10 million. $10 million is way too high, so this trade can't be done, even though the players' actual salaries match exactly.

[WiscoKing13]

thanks for the help man i'm still learning all the fine lines in byc and other provisions in trades.

So that would leave Kurt thomas at 4 mil or charlie bell at 3.5

[raleigh]

BYC makes no freakin' sense.

But, it's supposed to be difficult to deter teams from signing a guy and them turning around and trading him.

[WiscoKing13]

so would you have any interest in a guy like thomas or charlie bell?

[evildallas]

Based on Childress's last year here we can receive up to $4,539,311 back in salary without adding players to the deal to make BYC.

No, the way it works is this:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73

Here is an example of a BYC calculation: A player earned $2 million in 2004-05, after which he became a free agent. He then signs a new contract (re-signing with his previous team, which is over the salary cap) starting at $9 million. This player qualifies for BYC, so his trade value is the greater of his previous salary ($2 million) or 50% of his new salary ($4.5 million), or $4.5 million. So this player, who actually earns $9 million, is worth $4.5 million for trading purposes.

When comparing salaries for trade, teams use their own player's BYC value and the other player's full salary, even if the other player is also BYC. Here is a simple example -- two $5 million players, both of whom are re-signed (by teams over the cap) for $10 million. Both players become base year players whose base year amount is $5 million (50% of the new salary). If the teams want to trade these players for each other they compare their player's base year amount to the other player's full salary. So each team can take back a maximum of 125% plus $100,000 of their player's $5 million base year amount, or $6.35 million. They compare $6.35 million to the other player's full $10 million. $10 million is way too high, so this trade can't be done, even though the players' actual salaries match exactly.

I read the doc first. Either 50% of his new salary (unknown at this time) or his previous pre-BYC salary which was 3.63M is used in calculating the trade figures. The trade eligibility for a team over the cap is 125% + 100K. I was taking Milwaukee as been under the cap in the situation. If they are also over the cap you have to include other players. 4.53M is Josh Childress salary from 2007-2008 x 1.25. The player I suggested is well within that so as long as Milwaukee is under the cap it should work.

[evildallas]

I like Kurt Thomas for what he brings to the table in limited minutes, but I don't know how other Hawks fans feel. No interest in Charlie Bell on my part. I'd rather resign Flip than acquire Bell's contract.