Charlie V not given a qualifying offer.

DWCP2 · Post #1 » by **DWCP2** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:32 pm

This is a shock to me. Could be worth a good deal of the MLE if not all. Would think they can't perform a S&T because they let him go.

Post #2 » by **PR07** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:54 pm

They're probably limited their focus to resigning Sessions then.

I'd like to have Villanueva. While he likes to score from the perimeter, he has a pretty good inside game, and would be a nice fit on the team.

basketballwacko2 · Post #3 » by **basketballwacko2** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:02 pm

DWCP2 wrote:This is a shock to me. Could be worth a good deal of the MLE if not all. Would think they can't perform a S&T because they let him go.

Someone correct me if this is wrong but not extending a QC doesn't effect their ability to resign him unless they renounce his rights. Which I don't think they did. If they wanted to do a S&T for Foster and Tinsley we could say give Charlie V. 3yr $16 million and take a charlie bell or Gadz. But my bet is they won't want JT since they picked Jennings, and are extending the QC to Sessions.

fj20 · Post #4 » by **fj20** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:03 pm

S&T would be awesome...but just dont see it happenin

Dunthreevy · Post #5 » by **Dunthreevy** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:44 pm

My buddy (IndySports) and I had this convo via text message earlier while I was at work. I'd LOVE to have Charlie V on the team but he deserves to be a starter and that would mean we would have to move Murphy since they play the same position, and command about the same amount of minutes. As much as I love T-Murda, I personally think that Villanueva would be as good and a little better in our system than Murphy because he's younger and more athletic and basically has at least equal offensive skills and better defense.

rhcpjf4 · Post #6 » by **rhcpjf4** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:49 am

He would be a huge help for the Pacers. They need to clean out the bigs and keep only Hansbrough, Hibbert, and Foster or Murphy. If they could get Villanaeuva and someone like Hedo that would be huge.

cdash · Post #7 » by **cdash** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:11 am

Betcha Bird dislikes his blase attitude and the fact that his motor seems to sputter quite a bit.

Dunthreevy · Post #8 » by **Dunthreevy** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:21 am

Looks like Cleveland has their eyes on him so that could be an issue if we do want to sign him. Something about playing on a team that might make the Finals every year sounds a lot better than signing with a team that you don't quite know about, nor are you promised a starting spot.

Post #9 » by **PR07** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:44 am

If Cleveland is smart, they'd sign Sheed instead. He actually is a presence defensively, and gives them another guy to guard Garnett, Dwight, and Gasol.

cdash · Post #10 » by **cdash** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:56 am

PR07 wrote:If Cleveland is smart, they'd sign Sheed instead. He actually is a presence defensively, and gives them another guy to guard Garnett, Dwight, and Gasol.

He seems to match up better with Lewis too..

OnFire · Post #11 » by **OnFire** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:45 am

Would love to have Charlie V. in Indy. I think his game fits what we're trying to put together here. Same with Channing Frye who was not tendered an offer by POR. Bring on them bigs!

On a side note, story of the non-offer to Charlie V. did carry a sub-plot on the Bucks 1st Rd. Pick, Brandon Jennings.

Man, hope this isn't a sign of things to come from the youngster.

Read on:

Hammond said he did not want to elaborate on the reasons behind the free agent decisions. But he did address another issue facing the team this week: Jennings' involvement in a profanity-laced and provocative video clip that was posted on the Web site YouTube.

"We are aware of the story," Hammond said. "This is a team matter, and we've been in contact with Brandon regarding it."

The clip, which showed rapper Joe Budden having a speakerphone conversation with someone identified as Jennings, had been removed as of Monday afternoon.

But according to a partial transcript of the clip posted on sportingnews.com, Jennings said he was confident that Sessions would not return to the team, boasted that he would beat out Luke Ridnour for the Bucks' starting point guard job and made a profane comment about the New York Knicks for not drafting him.

"He did not know he was being taped and it's already been addressed to Brandon by the Milwaukee Bucks as well as Bill Duffy and BDA Sports," said Ilana Nunn, spokeswoman for Jennings' agency. "When you're not told your being taped, you don't know what's going on."

Jennings previously had mentioned his friendship with Budden on his Twitter account, which had been taken down as of Monday afternoon.

The incident could raise questions about the maturity of Jennings, who decided to play professionally in Italy instead of going to college.

Boneman2 · Post #12 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:15 am

Big deal. He said a few bad words about the Knicks to a guy nobody here knows, he wasn't doing it on prime-time television. Maybe behind the scenes DW got his hopes up and then he fealt that piercing feeling of being stabbed in the back and reacted by confiding in a snake. Who knows. There is nothing wrong with the other comments about Sessions or Luke.

chatard5 · Post #13 » by **chatard5** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:34 am

I say stay away from him. I do like the S&T just because we get rid of Tinsley. I love Foster, but with Hansbrough we have to trade him. Not just for us, but for him. He deserves a better environment and we have the young version of him. I just wish we traded for another pick and got Hansbrough later on. Or even Hansbrough at 13 and get Maynor with pick #2. I wouldn't mind getting Acie Law, I think he can be had pretty cheap right now. I kept saying we should try and get the #5. I wonder if we tried. Rubio would've been grrrrreeeeeaaaaat!

granger05 · Post #14 » by **granger05** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:55 pm

This didn't seem worth its own thread so I'll stick it here. Is anyone else thrilled that Detroit is apparently going to put all of their money into Charlie V, and Ben Gordon? I hope the deals are big, and long. I think that the days of Joe Dumars being a genius are in the rear-view mirror. I like the idea of Detroit locking themselves into mediocrity.

fienX420 · Post #15 » by **fienX420** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:08 pm

Agreed - let him go to Detroit - please. Not great value at all. Not a great player. Looking forward to watching Detroit suck at building a team. They really screwed up. We wouldn't need Charlie anyway, we are set with bigs... Hibbert and the Four Pale Horsemen - they are gonna rock it.

Dunthreevy · Post #16 » by **Dunthreevy** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:12 am

Charlie V to Detroit for 5 years and at least $35 Million has been agreed to in principle. Seems a bit too much, but if Detroit wants to throw away their cap space for 2 guys that aren't going to do much to make them any better than they already were, be my guest. Personally, I just don't see Gordon playing the same way he did to get this contract, now that he has it. He's proven to be all about the money.

fienX420 · Post #17 » by **fienX420** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:36 am

Whoa. Gordon 5 years, $55 mil and Charlie 5 years, $40 mil? Detroit is going to suck for a long time. I mean, they'll be OK, but that is not what I would call great use of cap space. Still not sure where their back-court is going - seems like it would be hard to trade Rip in this economy.

Dunthreevy · Post #18 » by **Dunthreevy** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:30 am

fienX420 wrote:Whoa. Gordon 5 years, $55 mil and Charlie 5 years, $40 mil? Detroit is going to suck for a long time. I mean, they'll be OK, but that is not what I would call great use of cap space. Still not sure where their back-court is going - seems like it would be hard to trade Rip in this economy.

Exactly what I was thinking. Gordon/Stuckey and Prince/Villanueva are like interchangeable parts (other than Gordon having slightly more range on his shot than Stuckey). I don't really see the purpose behind their signings for Detroit at all. They were so thrilled about having all of this cap space once Iverson was off the books and THAT is the best they could do with it? I'd be upset if I was a Pistons fan.

8305 · Post #19 » by **8305** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:26 am

Dunthreevy wrote:
fienX420 wrote:Whoa. Gordon 5 years, $55 mil and Charlie 5 years, $40 mil? Detroit is going to suck for a long time. I mean, they'll be OK, but that is not what I would call great use of cap space. Still not sure where their back-court is going - seems like it would be hard to trade Rip in this economy.

Exactly what I was thinking. Gordon/Stuckey and Prince/Villanueva are like interchangeable parts (other than Gordon having slightly more range on his shot than Stuckey). I don't really see the purpose behind their signings for Detroit at all. They were so thrilled about having all of this cap space once Iverson was off the books and THAT is the best they could do with it? I'd be upset if I was a Pistons fan.

Agree. Hard to figure out what Dumars is thinking this kind of money to these two guys. I figured he would use this opportunity to rebuild their frontcourt.