Josh Childress to visit the Milwaukee Bucks

[raleigh]

I've no desire to go over there.

Then consider our discussion over. I'm not going to rehash what I already know.

[killbuckner]

Mrhonline- thats not at all true. The only 2 things that need to take place is that Milwaukee cannot be over the cap once the trade goes through and Atlanta has to take back less than 4.6 million dollars in salary. Say that Milwaukee is 3 million under the cap. (They are not close to being under the cap.... this is purely hypothetical to illustrate BYC issues) They could trade Amir Johnson who makes 3.66 million this season for Childress being started out at 6.5 million dollars. From Milwaukee's side they would still be under the cap even after attaining Childress so there is no problem there. From Atlanta's side Johnson fits within the 125% + 100k of Childress's old salary so there is no problem at all.

[parson]

Since this has become a SNT primer (and I, for one, am grateful for the info being shared here), let me ask another question. If we added Mike Bibby at the same time to these hypothetical SNTs, would that make trading Childress easier? Does anybody know the $$$ Bibby is looking for?

[killbuckner]

Adding Bibby makes it MUCH easier. Every team has to look at the trade only from their own perspective. BYC means that when the Hawks are calculating their outgoing salaries You count Childress as only 3.63 million dollars. The Hawks can only take back 125% + 100k of that. Say Bibby's contract started out at 6 million. A S&T of Bibby and Childress means that the hawks could take back in 12.1 million dollars. (9.63 * 1.25 + 100k) The team receiving Childress (also assuming Childress started out at 6 million) would have to send out at least 9.6 million in salary. Thats 2.5 million of space there.

Lets look at an example of the Bucks who are over the cap if Childress is not combined. If Childress weren't combined with any other players then the Hawks then the Most salary the Hawks could take back would be 4.63 million dollars. Amir Johnson and Salim (ha) combine to make 4.55 million next season so Childress could be S&T'd for those guys straightup. And the max Childress could be paid is 4.55 * 1.25 + 100k or a starting salary of 5.78 million. If the Hawks didn't want Salim back then the trade could still go through but childress could only get a contract starting at 4.68 million dollars. Thats why adding more players helps- it makes the "range" of 125% larger.

I thought using examples would make it easier but maybe not. Hope that helps.

[JoshB914]

Sorry guys but you aren't going to get JA or Mbah a Moute as a throw in. If we are interested enough we will just sign Childress to a MLE type deal and force you to either match it or let him walk. If you match it though I think it would hinder your ability to sign Marvin/Bibby/Zaza. Not too familiar with your cap situation but I can't imagine you would put yourself up against the lux to sign Childress for the bench. Mo Evans plays his role well now.

We could possibly work on something like Ridnour, Elson, Thomas, but not our young assets.

Just a question for you and Bucks fans: how highly do you value Alexander? I agree I wouldn't trade him for Chilldress in this situation, I'm just curious as to what kind of value you feel he has and what his ceiling might be?

[paulpressey25]

[Just a question for you and Bucks fans: how highly do you value Alexander? I agree I wouldn't trade him for Chilldress in this situation, I'm just curious as to what kind of value you feel he has and what his ceiling might be?

I think most of us on the Milwaukee board are accepting that he was a bust his first year and may very well be a bust for his career. Last year he didn't show any unique skillset that you could project out to a successful NBA career. He's got fantastic straight-line speed and ridiculous hops. But he's a bit like "Bam-Bam" from the Flintstones in that he can't control that athleticism in a basketball way.

That said, given that his trade value is low now, some of us really don't want to part with him, in the chance that he figures it out. One big positive is that he does indeed live the gym and has been doing so the past three months. We've already blown the 8th pick in a deep draft on him, so we might as well let it play out. But that is just one Bucks fans opinion. If he was needed to be part of a good deal, I think our GM would trade him.

[BrewCityBBQ]

From a Bucks fan, and this is strictly my own opinion. I would not trade Alexander straight up for Childress. Thats not saying I value Alexander that much right now cause I don't. But I think the argument starts and ends with the Bucks giving up Ridnour or Bowen for Childress if we had to do a sign and trade. Theres no way the Bucks front office should or would give up anything of remote value for a guy like Childress. We could sign him to an offer sheet of the MLE and if the Hawks match so be it.

Not trying to be a troll or be a jerk on the subject. I'm just stating how most Bucks fans feel or should feel on this subject.

[JoshB914]

From a Bucks fan, and this is strictly my own opinion. I would not trade Alexander straight up for Childress. Thats not saying I value Alexander that much right now cause I don't. But I think the argument starts and ends with the Bucks giving up Ridnour or Bowen for Childress if we had to do a sign and trade. Theres no way the Bucks front office should or would give up anything of remote value for a guy like Childress. We could sign him to an offer sheet of the MLE and if the Hawks match so be it.

Not trying to be a troll or be a jerk on the subject. I'm just stating how most Bucks fans feel or should feel on this subject.

You aren't being a jerk at all, just interesting discussion. The thing with Milwaukee offering MLE to Josh (as some of the more knowledgeable hawks posters have indicated in this thread) is that the Hawks could indeed match, and Chill does not want to come back to Atlanta. That means that signing an offer sheet would be very risky for him as he could easily be a Hawk again if we match the offer sheet. Due to that I think an S&T might be the more likely course of action.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Frankly, most of the S&Ts that would actually work and that don't involve more than one player being S&T'd don't to me seem like deals that both teams would have interest in as opposed to the process of the Bucks signing Childress to an offer sheet and the Hawks matching or not matching.

I'm assuming that the Hawks, like the Bucks, have some limits to their budget and cannot just spend whatever the hell they feel like. If that is the case, the Hawks could be better served with just not matching an offer sheet, rather than just take back whatever they can get in a S&T. Then you could allocate those financial resources for purposes more vital to you.

But, as far as S&T's go, perhaps Joe Alexander & Malik Allen for Josh Childress S&T'd to a contract with a 1st year salary up to $4.9542 mil.

Malik Allen is pretty worthless, but the one thing he can do is hit that Joe Smith-esque jumper (although to clarify, Joe Smith seemingly increased the range he takes his after he rejoined the Cavs, so I'm talking about Joe Smith prior to that). He is very good with that jumper. Of course, everything else Joe Smith does well Malik Allen doesn't do. He literally cannot do anything else well. ALthough I guess he is good for 6 fouls against the opposing PF or center. So there's that

Joe Alexander still has a chance to blossom into a good player, especially offensively. He has shown very limited offensive flashes already. Very, very, very limited. He was/is very raw and has less basketball experience than most players his age. It seems more likely that he'll be almost a total bust, but you never know. It would be a fairly cheap roll of the dice.

Clearly I'm being forthcoming with you here and not trying to sugar coat anything

Does that interest anyone? And more importantly, do you think it would interest Rick Sund?

[TradeMachine]

Would you guys be okay with a Blake/Outlaw (total about $8.5 mil expiring in '10) for Childress S&T?

Not sure if this is anything close to what you guys are looking for, and I'm just trying to gauge your interest, so please don't take offense if this offer is too low.

[lunarblues]

idk if that trade would work because of chill's BYC, and the hawks already have 4 guards making pretty good money. unless they want to turn teague into acie law IV part 2 i doubt we would have a use for blake. outlaw would actually be a good player on the hawks though. i would put childress and outlaw on the same level though. you might want to just keep outlaw. i think that a outlaw for chill deal would work without including blake.

[HoopsGuru25]

Two of the biggest reasons the Hawks won 10 more games this year with no major roster changes and even more injuries than the previous years were three point shooting(went from 27th to 8th)and defense(went from 18th in points per possession to 11th). I think Childress leaving had a big impact on both of those numbers.

I would love a Blake/Outlaw for Chil swap...but you could probably just sign him to an offersheet and the Hawks wouldn't match anyway.

[TradeMachine]

Two of the biggest reasons the Hawks won 10 more games this year with no major roster changes and even more injuries than the previous years were three point shooting(went from 27th to 8th)and defense(went from 18th in points per possession to 11th). I think Childress leaving had a big impact on both of those numbers.

I would love a Blake/Outlaw for Chil swap...but you could probably just sign him to an offersheet and the Hawks wouldn't match anyway.

Sweet. How much of your success this past season do you attribute to growth and familiarity (especially with Bibby)? Childress is a decent starting 3, right? He couldn't have been all that bad.

[rak1974]

Two of the biggest reasons the Hawks won 10 more games this year with no major roster changes and even more injuries than the previous years were three point shooting(went from 27th to 8th)and defense(went from 18th in points per possession to 11th). I think Childress leaving had a big impact on both of those numbers.

I would love a Blake/Outlaw for Chil swap...but you could probably just sign him to an offersheet and the Hawks wouldn't match anyway.

Sweet. How much of your success this past season do you attribute to growth and familiarity (especially with Bibby)? Childress is a decent starting 3, right? He couldn't have been all that bad.

What Childress does well his crash the boards getting rebounds from the SF position getting your key guys second chance shots. He will get to the rim and he finishes pretty well. He get most of his points off of put backs, but he seems to always be in position to get offivsive rebounds. His Basketball IQ is high. And he affects the game with out the ball. You would like him. His release of his shot is ugly though that is the only thing about his game I don't like, but he makes more shots than he misses. He just doesn't shot that often.

[RamonSessions]