Pistons shoot their wad for Gordon, Villanueva

Post #1 » by **mizzoupacers** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:31 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111

What do you guys think?

Personally, I'm kind of relieved. I think the Pistons could have done a lot more with their cap room. Maybe Dumars' pact with the devil really DID expire last year.

My opinion: Gordon is good, but not good enough to be worth that kind of money. And Villanueva just isn't that good.

If no more major moves are made, then I think the Pistons have a pretty ordinary team. They don't have a frontcourt player who is good enough to put them over the top, and how exactly are Hamilton and Gordon going to coexist? Neither one of those guys is going to be happy coming off the bench.

If Dumars manages to trade Hamilton for the frontcourt guy they still need, then that could change things. At that point I'd figure the ink is still drying on a fresh Dumars/Satan contract.

Post #2 » by **Gremz** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:18 pm

Just saw the update on ESPN. Apparently the Pistons believe both Hamilton and Gordon will play a vital part for them. If that's the case, and with their current big man rotation, I too will have to agree that they not exactly an ECF team, nor will they be for a while.

rhcpjf4 · Post #3 » by **rhcpjf4** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:23 pm

Are you serious??? Ben Gordon is defintely worth that money and Charlie Villanueva is really good and underated. He average 16 and 7 in 26 min. He is 6'11 230 and can play 3/4. He is a very skilled forward. Ben showed again why he is worth the money during the playoffs. He is just a tad undersized but he is close to the best scorer in the league. He agreed to come off the bench in Detroit by the way. If the Pistons can add a big man they will be in contention bc i dont think there is a team that can cover the likes of Gordon, Rip, Stuckey, Prince and Villanueva.

Post #4 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:36 pm

I don't see that Detroit team in contention.

They were built on defense, and that's how they succeeded. They now have a defensive leader at SF, and a decent to solid team defender at SG in Rip Hamilton, but they now have one of the biggest black holes in the NBA at PF in Villanueva. Sure, he can put up 20 a night, but he'll give up 30 to his guy.

cdash · Post #5 » by **cdash** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:50 pm

As a Pacers fan, I love these signings. I love the fact they are wooing Avery Johnson to coach these guys too. Two offensive minded guys (who aren't exactly adept passers either--Gordon especially is a black hole when he gets the ball) who have blase defensive attitudes. A control freak coach possibly coming in to coach these guys, and oh yeah, they still have Hamilton on board. Are they going to trade him, or did they really just fork over $11 million per year to have Gordon be a sixth man? At best, this is a 4-6 seed in the East, and not one that is going to scare anyone.

Dunthreevy · Post #6 » by **Dunthreevy** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:54 pm

rhcpjf4 wrote:Are you serious??? Ben Gordon is defintely worth that money and Charlie Villanueva is really good and underated. He average 16 and 7 in 26 min. He is 6'11 230 and can play 3/4. He is a very skilled forward. Ben showed again why he is worth the money during the playoffs. He is just a tad undersized but he is close to the best scorer in the league. He agreed to come off the bench in Detroit by the way. If the Pistons can add a big man they will be in contention bc i dont think there is a team that can cover the likes of Gordon, Rip, Stuckey, Prince and Villanueva.

Credibility fail

Indy4Life · Post #7 » by **Indy4Life** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 4:00 pm

one dimensional players...Solid players, but all they can do is score.

Gordon was great in the playoffs, and Villianueva can score in bunches but they aren't team players. How will they gel with Prince and Rip? I'll belivve they are a good team when I see it...at this point I don't like the fit.

notque · Post #8 » by **notque** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 5:26 pm

I don't know about the deals but Villianueva beat us single handedly in a game last year.

Post #9 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:00 pm

Good for the Pistons. That's all I have to say about that.

^^A lot of people beat us single-handedly (that sounds dirty) including Caron Butler, Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Eric Gordon almost, and some more not-all-stars. Dropping 30 to 40 against the Pacers was not an achievement this past season, it was an inevitability sometimes.

cdash · Post #10 » by **cdash** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:10 pm

Miller4ever wrote:Good for the Pistons. That's all I have to say about that.

^^A lot of people beat us single-handedly (that sounds dirty) including Caron Butler, Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Eric Gordon almost, and some more not-all-stars. Dropping 30 to 40 against the Pacers was not an achievement this past season, it was an inevitability sometimes.

Especially when Troy Murphy was guarding them.

Post #11 » by **PR07** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:11 pm

It might've been a good idea to add one of these guys, but I think the fact that the Pistons added two of these guys in the same offseason is a bad move. Does anyone play defense on that Pistons' team anymore besides Prince? Gordon and Villanueva are both lackluster defenders.

Dunthreevy · Post #12 » by **Dunthreevy** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:19 pm

Gordon will not produce for the Pistons the same way he did for the Bulls in the playoffs. He was playing for a contract. It's been widely known for 2 seasons now that money is priority 1 for him and he was just waiting to get a big payday. I'm predicting that by this time next year, he will be considered one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

fienX420 · Post #13 » by **fienX420** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 6:21 pm

I'm not a big fan of these signings. I just don't think this makes them elite. Adding a big-timer like Chris Bosh or somebody next season would've been a lot scarier. Now, I think they are locked into a team that won't be all that great. We'll see. Looking forward to playing them.

Post #14 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 8:05 pm

The Pistons MIGHT be able to salvage something out of Villanueva, but the Gordon signing just looks stupid, especially after getting another undersized scorer in Iverson who sucked for them. This team's new coach is going to have his work cut out for him. I think with the new faces on the Pistons and the adjustment time they require, I think that we have a shot at the 3rd spot in the Central division.

MillerTime101 · Post #15 » by **MillerTime101** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 9:45 pm

I dont get these signings at all, are you really telling me Detroit is going to compete for a championship with Charlie V and Ben Gordon as two of your top 3 scoring options? These guys are inconsistent and dont play a lick of defense.

They could have used that money to do a sign and trade and land a Boozer type player or at least a Tyson Chandler. Now they have overpaid role players who put up inflated numbers last year and cemented themselves into the middle of the pack for the foreseeable future, I love it.

chatard5 · Post #16 » by **chatard5** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 10:34 pm

I love the signings for the Pacers. Gordon is overpaid and not that great. CV is decent, but nothing to put them towards to the top of the Eastern Conference, in my opinion.

If Artest goes to the Cavs they are a damn good team. Shaq would keep him in line. Obviously wherever Lebron is that team is a contender for the next 12 years. Boston will be good this year and Sheed would be a good 6th man (at least I would make him the 6th man). But they are older and won't be good for too much longer.

IndyMac · Post #17 » by **IndyMac** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:55 pm

I just can't understand why Detroit is paying Rip and Gordon both over $50mil to play the same position.

rhcpjf4 · Post #18 » by **rhcpjf4** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:26 pm

Rip can play the 3, he is 6'7. They still are open to trading him by the way.

Dunthreevy, Ben Gordon is one of the best scorers in the league. There is no other way to put it, you just have to deal with it. He would be ridiculous for the Pacers if they got him, but they didnt. I will take that bet about the worst contract, he is going to produce for the Pistons, he has produced every single year he has been in the league.

Post #19 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:32 pm

He'll put up 20 points a night, but he'll never meaningfully contribute to a team in any way other than getting his stats and a contract. He does have the killer instinct offensively, but he doesn't help a team in any other way, and is a liability in many other ways.

And as for Rip, yeah, he may be 6'7", but he's a pure SG. Nothing SF about him.

8305 · Post #20 » by **8305** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:03 pm

Right now I think we are better than Detroit.