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Post#461 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:07 am

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Pistons Release Fabricio Oberto
The Pistons waived Fabricio Oberto this afternoon, returning the former Spurs big man to the free agent pool.

Traded last week in the deal that brought Richard Jefferson from Milwaukee, and then promptly shipped to Detroit, Oberto would have to wait a league-mandated 20 days to re-sign with the Spurs.

It remains to be seen how hard the Spurs will pursue him. Much will depend on what kind of other free-agent bigs the Spurs are able to lure during free agency, as well as on how rookie DeJuan Blair pans out over the summer.

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Post#462 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:17 am

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Oberto on the market
The Pistons waived Fabricio Oberto this afternoon, returning the former Spurs big man to the free agent pool.

Traded last week in the deal that brought Richard Jefferson from Milwaukee, and then promptly shipped to Detroit, Oberto would have to wait a league-mandated 20 days to re-sign with the Spurs.

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Post#463 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 9:34 pm

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Chicago writer's view on free-agent moves involving Wings, Pistons
Once the dust settled on Wednesday, former Red Wing Marian Hossa was a Blackhawk and former Bulls guard Ben Gordon was a Piston.

Under the headline “Chicago trades Ben Gordon to Detroit for Marian Hossa,” Stu Courtney of the Chicago Sun Times blogs on what effect a busy day of free agent maneuvers could have on the Bulls and Blackhawks.

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Post#464 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:04 pm

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Rodney Stuckey on WDFN: Pistons players weren't pushing for ouster of Michael Curry
The Detroit Pistons dismissed Michael Curry as head coach after one year, but Rodney Stuckey doesn't think it's as much a reflection of Curry's ability as a coach as much as a shift toward a more youthful team. The Pistons guard told WDFN-AM's Matt Shepard that Curry was put in a tough situation in which to succeed after team president Joe Dumars dealt veteran guard Chauncey Billups. "Michael Curry's a great guy," Stuckey said, "and I thought he did pretty good with the situation he was put in. Just being a first-year coach, it's kinda hard to just come in and take something over and try to get back to the Eastern Conference finals, where we were at. That's kind of hard to do."

But contrary to some reports, the Pistons players weren't unhappy with Curry. "Oh no, not at all. Not at all. Nobody knew this was going to happen. If you heard Joe Dumars' interview, this was just something that needed to happen for the organization and the direction this is going to be."He just thought that we needed an experienced coach to guide us to where we need to be."

Listen to the whole interview to hear talk about the Pistons' draft picks and comment on the potential of having Avery Johnson hired to replace Curry as coach:

Rodney Stuckey interview in te link above^.
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Post#465 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:10 pm

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Doug Collins enjoys being wanted more than coaching
A year after letting himself be courted by the Bulls before withdrawing from consideration (and months after manufacturing controversy by contradicting himself within hours regarding his candidacy for the 76ers’ job), Collins is once again making headlines for announcing that he’s not interested in a job.

From ESPN’s Marc Stein: Collins told ESPN.com on Wednesday night that he called Joe Dumars to thank the Pistons president for considering him and to inform him of his preference to stay in television. That would appear to leave an unobstructed path to the job for ex-Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson, who just completed his first season in TV as an analyst for ESPN. Sources close to the situation told ESPN that Johnson had his first substantive discussion with Dumars about the position earlier Wednesday.

Whether it’s Johnson or someone else, expect the Pistons to act swiftly; Dumars told Eli Zaret earlier this week that he hopes to have a new coach in place by this coming Tuesday, when the Pistons touch down in Las Vegas and hold their first summer league practice.

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Post#466 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:22 pm

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Sam Smith: 'Pistons are destined ... to be around .500 for many years'
Sam Smith is the Chicago Bulls blogger for their official site at Bulls.com. He's also the author of "The Jordan Rules" book that caused much controversy within the Chicago Bulls organization. His views on the Bulls losing Ben Gordon to the Detroit Pistons might have a certain bias, but they are being used by some as a template for National reaction.

NBA insiders were scratching their heads over the huge deals after the Pistons off loaded two much bigger talents, Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace, to make a splash in free agency. I find it hard to believe that 'NBA insiders' are scratching their heads in the manner described by Mr. Smith. When Joe traded Chauncey Billups he knew the kind of talent Chauncey had, along with his leadership skills. It was a tough trade for Dumars to make, but Billups will be 33 years old in September and the Pistons made the decision to remake the team. As for Rasheed Wallace, there is no denying his talent, but his penchant for self destructing during the worse possible time was getting old fast in Detroit. Wallace, who will turn 35 in September, was also showing his age last season and seemed unable to make up for his outburst anymore. Whether trading Chauncey was a mistake or not won't be known until Dumars finishes remaking the Pistons and they prove him right or wrong. Smith then goes on about how Gordon is now overpaid and how it would have handcuffed the Bulls in their pursuit of beg name free agents in 2010 if they had decided to match Detroit's contract. Then he predicts the fate of both Gordon and the Pistons....Ben was out of options. If he didn't get a deal from the Pistons, he probably didn't have one and would have had to sign a short term deal and probably go back in free agency again next summer. How many years can you challenge fate and win? Ben won. He got paid. A lot. Good for him. He's done being a winner on the court. The Pistons are now locked in with long term deals for multiple players without having one star. It doesn't work in the NBA. The Pistons are destined to fight to be around .500 for many years.

Smith would know about a team 'destined to fight to be around .500 for many years', having covered the Bulls the past 11 seasons. Actually .500 has been an anomaly for the Bulls the past 11 years, since only twice have they finished over .500 in that span. In the past 11 seasons the Bulls have made the playoffs only four times and advanced beyond the first round once. So maybe he's right about the Pistons being destined a .500 team 'for many years', he's seen that team first hand for over a decade. Or maybe he's just trying to make the Bulls look better for not signing their leading scorer the past 4 seasons and is a bit bitter that the Pistons signed him away. We will find out one way or the other soon enough.

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Post#467 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:27 pm

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Ben Gordon says Bulls never made offer
A day after jumping to Detroit, Ben Gordon told a Chicago radio station today that the Bulls never made a contract offer even though general manager Gar Forman claimed re-signing him was their No. 1 priority. “I mean they didn’t pursue me at all. They didn’t even make an offer so it was pretty much a one-man race,” Gordon told ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago. Gordon agreed to a five-year deal worth $50-plus million with the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday after leading the Bulls in scoring the past four seasons. Under league rules, that deal can’t be announced until next week. The Detroit Free Press reported the five-year deal is worth $55 million. Gordon and the Bulls had tried to negotiate long-term deals the past two years. He wound up accepting a one-year tender offer last year and enjoyed one of his best seasons, averaging 20.7 points, and tied a career-high by shooting 45.5 percent while leading the Bulls to the playoffs.

Once he hit the open market as an unrestricted free agent, the Pistons quickly jumped. The Bulls? “I just told you there was no offer made,” Gordon said in the interview. “So you guys can put it together. I’m happy about my new situation now. I’m looking forward to it.” Forman declined comment today. He said when he was promoted to GM in May that the Bulls wanted to keep Gordon, but that would have probably meant paying the luxury tax and sacrificing cap space they could have next summer. It also would have meant a crowd in the backcourt. The Bulls are near the projected $69-million luxury tax threshold, meaning they would pay a dollar-for-dollar penalty if they exceed that. They would also forfeit the approximately $3.5 million rebate for teams under the threshold. They also have about $25 million in expiring contracts, so they could be major players in free agency or near the trade deadline, if they don’t make a deal sooner.

Of course, the big trade the Bulls made last winter and now a commitment to defense also made the sharp-shooting Gordon expendable. The arrival of John Salmons with Brad Miller in the trade with Sacramento gave the Bulls another scorer and more height in the backcourt while sparking the playoff run. The Bulls also said in recent weeks that they were committing to defense — a hint that they were ready to let Gordon go rather than sign him and trade Kirk Hinrich. “I’m happy about the situation I’m going to,” Gordon said. “I think (Pistons president for basketball operations) Joe Dumars is really focused on winning, and his priority is winning a championship so that’s definitely my main goal as a pro player. So I’m happy about that.” The Pistons hope to have a replacement for the fired Michael Curry in place next week. Gordon gave a lukewarm evaluation of Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro, saying he “has a lot of room for improvement” after just one season on a bench. “He seemed like he had a willingness to learn and try and get better,” Gordon said. “I never had any problems with him or disliked him.”

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Post#468 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:33 pm

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Doug Collins won't return to coach Pistons
Multiple media outlets are reporting that longtime NBA and former Pistons coach Doug Collins has pulled his name from consideration for the vacant Pistons head coaching job. Collins told ESPN.com late Wednesday night that he thanked Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars for the consideration, but would remain an analyst for TNT.

That would appear to establish former Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson as the frontrunner to replace Michael Curry, who was fired Tuesday on the eve of the NBA’s free agency period. Dumars has said he wants an experienced coach.

Johnson has talked with Dumars about the opening. Dumars said in video on the Pistons’ Web site that he wants a coach in place by the time the team leaves for Las Vegas summer league next week.

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Post#469 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:37 pm

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Joe Dumars and Maligned Guards
Remember when the Pistons were the toast of the town? In 2003-2004, they added Larry Brown and Rasheed Wallace and won the title. But the seeds of that team were really planted when the Pistons acquired some players with shaky reputations around the league. By signing Ben Gordon to big dollars, Joe Dumars has run the same play again. But there's a difference this time around. In 2000, the team got Ben Wallace as a throw-in, after Grant Hill agreed to sign with the Magic, and the Pistons participated in one of those lop-sided "you got us" trades instead of losing the player for nothing. The summer of 2002 is when GM Joe Dumars really earned his money. That's when he drafted Tayshaun Prince 23rd overall, and acquired Richard Hamilton and Chauncey Billups -- neither of whom was seen, then, as likely to contribute to a title team.

Of course, the pieces fit together tremendously well. Later, working on a story for a magazine, I asked Dumars why he had decided those were the two guards who would make the most sense for his team. Dumars' answer was very clear, and represented a real philosophy: Those were two guards who could help the team without needing possession of the ball. The Pistons were going to be a team of ball movement and they were not ball-stoppers. Hamilton could run around a thousand screens and force the defense to chase, hedge, and help all over the place. Such movement has the potential to get easy buckets for any and all Pistons, from the guy setting the pick to the guy spotting up behind the 3-point line. Billups, meanwhile, is a good enough shooter to keep a defender near. The team could run its offense with Billups at the top of of the circle. Now and again the ball would be kicked out to him, and he had the skill and mentality to drain the shot if it was open, or swing the ball to the opposite side if he wasn't.

It worked. Ben Gordon represents a different approach. I have never seen good statistics determining which players are the most opposite of what Dumars described. As in, players who can't do jack for you unless they have the ball. But by reputation, Ben Gordon would be on that list. So, does this mean Joe Dumars has changed his tune? That he is desperate? Maybe none of the above. Perhaps it just means that the Pistons have a different roster now, with different needs. And more likely, it could be a story about hand-checking. The rule changed in 2001, but the following strategic shift is still unfolding. The ball-stopper, time-consuming thing Gordon does -- creating scoring opportunities for himself off the dribble -- may well be more valuable than it was. That's because such play now comes with frequent trips to the free-throw line, which is the home of the easiest and most efficient points in the NBA.

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Post#470 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:38 pm

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Villanueva or Gordon
Last night at about 9:53 i was listenin to the sports radio and right before i was gonna fall asleep they were talkin about Villanueva and Ben Gordon coming to the Pistons. That is a pretty good possibility except Villanueva might have the potential to be another Iverson of the Pistons, but thats just me i havent really payed much attention to Charlie. Gordon would be excellent though.

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Post#471 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:40 pm

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Great Addition Joe Dumars
adding Gordon and charlie ought to be just the ticket for this upcoming season.

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Post#472 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:42 pm

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Happy Days for the Pistons and the Fans
When I woke up today, I wondered what the Pistons did at start of Free Agency. When I went to NBA.com, the headlines said, Pistons Grab Gordon and Villanueva. I was so excited I kept jumping up and down. I knew the Pistons were going in a right direction. With the editon of our 3 rookies, the Pistons seem like the team to beat this season. I would want to see them bring back championship glory back to Mo-Town. I would want to see if there will be more believers in Pistons Basketball. I want to see if all the time hoping something good would happen this year will be worth it.

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Post#473 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:43 pm

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The Three Phases of Joe Dumars
It is tough to re-build an NBA team but what Joe Dumars is doing will impact the present as well as the future of the franchise.His plan is to put together a team which is playoff ready now and of championship quality within the foreseeable future.It really helped the Piston's to be 20 million under the cap. What we have seen up to this point are phase1 and phase2 of the team's overhaul.Phase1 being the draft and phase2 the acquisition of Gordon and Villanueva.Through trades the Piston's plan to further add additional cap space which is currently down to five million.I have a feeling that several players on the roster will be sent packing.It is a certainty that Rip will be gone because no team is going to have a guy making 50 million dollars sitting on the bench.That brings us to phase3.In phase3 the Pistons will put together sign and trade deals. Yhe Pistons are currently having talks with New Orleans regarding the possibility of acquiring Tyson Chandler.If this deal is made it most certainly would include Kwame Brown and one other player.The Piston's plan to retain Antonio McDyse.There is a distinct possibility that both Rip and Tayshuan could be traded for a quality player..so hold on to your hats phase3 is underway.Avery Johnson seems to be the front runner for the Piston's coaching job..

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Post#474 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:44 pm

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Ben Gordan and Charlie V.
Great Job on landing Ben and Charlie. Now we should consider going after Zaza Pachulia to add some depth to our front line.

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Post#475 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:47 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,174375

Updated odds to win 2010 championship following Draft, trades
Odds to win 2010 NBA Championship:
Cleveland Cavaliers (9/4)
Los Angeles Lakers (9/4)
Boston Celtics (5/1)
Orlando Magic (6/1)
San Antonio Spurs (11/1)
Denver Nuggets (13/1)
Houston Rockets (15/1)
Portland Trail Blazers (18/1)
Utah Jazz (20/1)
Dallas Mavericks (40/1)
New Orleans Hornets (40/1)
Detroit Pistons (45/1)
Atlanta Hawks (50/1)
Chicago Bulls (50/1)
Miami Heat (50/1)
Phoenix Suns (50/1)
Philadelphia 76ers (60/1)
New Jersey Nets (75/1)
New York Knicks (75/1)
Washington Wizards (75/1)
Charlotte Bobcats (100/1)
Golden State Warriors (100/1)
Indiana Pacers (100/1)
Los Angeles Clippers (100/1)
Oklahoma City Thunder (100/1)
Sacramento Kings (100/1)
Toronto Raptors (100/1)
Milwaukee Bucks (125/1)
Minnesota Timberwolves (125/1)
Memphis Grizzlies (150/1)

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Post#476 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:50 pm

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'Net reaction: Pistons land Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva
Straight Bangin': "Really, Joe? Really? You just committed your cap space to Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva? You turned Rasheed's expiring contract and Chauncey Billups(notes) into an embarrassing first-round flameout, a streaky and undersized sixth-man, and a mercurial forward who gets hurt fairly often? You took a team that as recently as two years ago was a decent rebounder and another guard away from the Finals and turned it into one that probably can't hope to be any better than seventh in the East? Your second-highest-paid player plays the same position as your highest? The same highest-paid guy who shouldn't have such an onerous deal in the first place? [...] Sorry to say it, Joey, but you need to update your resume, because you played yourself worse than Jay on 'DOA.'"

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Post#477 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:51 pm

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Empty The Bench: "Something’s gotta give in Detroit, and that something is one of the last remaining pieces of Detroit’s 2004 NBA Championship team leaving town: Richard Hamilton(notes), who will soon be traded. I think. He has to be, right? Despite reports that GM Joe Dumars has stated he has no intentions of trading Hamilton, it doesn’t make much sense to have two All-Star caliber shooting guards capable of playing 34-36 minutes a night (and getting paid like it) at the same position. Both were their respective team’s leading scorers last season (Gordon 20.7 for Chicago, Hamilton 18.3 for Detroit), both revel in the role of being the go-to guy on the floor, both have a well-documented history of not happily accepting a sixth-man role off the bench. Though Gordon is a much higher-character guy than Allen Iverson(notes), the last thing Dumars and the Pistons need is another backcourt controversy: as you recall, it was first Hamilton, then Iverson, who publicly bemoaned their demotions to the bench in favor of the other. I can’t imagine that Gordon made the move to Detroit to be a backup, nor can I see Hamilton suddenly having a change of heart and stepping aside to make room for Gordon in the starting lineup. Something’s gotta give."

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Post#478 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:51 pm

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Detroit Bad Boys: "Villanueva’s arrival will come with mixed reviews, in part because of shaky defense and a reputation for being 'soft,' but objectively speaking, he’s a better shooter, passer and rebounder than Rasheed Wallace(notes), the man he’s essentially replacing. No, he’s not a complete package — Wallace was an exceptional defender, at least when he was up for the challenge — but for the price and potential for improvement, I have no quibbles with the move. He alone won’t put the Pistons over the top, but this roster is a couple of years away from worrying about the 'missing piece.'"

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Post#479 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:53 pm

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The Baseline: "Villanueva was a smart move, and while Gordon may hardly have filled an obvious need, he's not going to hurt the team, and Detroit can always use additional offense. Does this immediately make them contenders? No, but could you see any of the 2010 free agents stepping right in and stabilizing a team that, if you'd forgotten, just fired its coach to cap off a lost season? The Pistons haven't ever depended on a single superstar, anyway, which makes the 2010 model that much more unlikely. Instead, you can see Dumars hiring a coach who gets the Pistons culture, and will then indoctrinate Villanueva and Gordon. What's more, while these signings are in some ways a function of the Pistons organization, they also might be taken as an endorsement for teams looking to this summer for a more cost-effective future. If Dumars does it, you know other GMs are going to at least weigh the option."

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Post#480 » by nasty daddy » Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:53 pm

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David Aldridge, NBA.com: "Gordon's agent, Ray Brothers, said that 17 teams contacted him Wednesday about Gordon, but most were looking to sign Gordon to the mid-level exception or looking to do a sign-and-trade with Chicago. And after the last two summers of trying to negotiate deals with Chicago, Gordon was leery of yet more delay in trying to work something out down the road when Detroit came through so quickly with a tangible offer."

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