FFDL [draft starts this Saturday!]

[Stanford]

First question is can a FFDL team hold rights to a player not on an NBA roster?

Saying yes would add a whole other dynamic to the league. It's clear that the answer as of right now is no.

If the answer is no, and Rubio is not an NBA roster at the time of our draft, then he cannot be drafted and we wait until he comesto the NBA. If he comes back in the off season, then his availability will be in our rookie/fa draft in September. If he enters the NBafter our draft or during the season, then it's like Krstic last season and whoever has top wavier priority picks him up off Yahoo.

That seems fine to me, although I don't like the idea of a player with the value of a rubio just randomly hitting the wire after the draft. In a perfect world, he comes back in the offseason two years from now, and then we just shove him into that years draft, which is what happened with Rudy. The difference with Rudy is that he was so under the radar, he wouldn't even have been put in yahoo!s system. Rubio will likely be there, listed under NA.

My opinion is that you can (1) keep the rights of a player on your roster that leaves the NBA, (2) draft the rigths only during our rookie/FA draft in September, and (3) you can trade for a player whose rigths are held by another FFDL team. Otherwise, a player's rights cannot be picked up.

I mean that's venturing into a whole new area that we haven't explored. I would be ok trying it. But do we add a new, special roster spot for that kind of thing? In the NBA, you can hold the rights to as many players as you want.

As for maintaining the rights, I think that player would have to occupy a roster spot, but can be placed on the IL after five games into the season. In other words, he is treated as if he is an injured player, but if he is dropped anytime by the team holding his rights, he can only picked up off waivers if he is on an NBA team (through Yahoo during the season) or drafted in the offseason

That sounds fine to me. That way theres risk involved in taking a guy who may not play in the NBA right away as he'll occupy an IL spot.

[Stanford]

So the 'Ricky Rubio rules' would be: (?)

1) All players who's rights are held by NBA teams may be drafted in the FFDL draft.
2) The only way to acquire a player not on an NBA roster is through the draft or through trade.
3) If a player on an FFDL roster leaves the nba, the manager who holds his rights is still eligible to keep him.
4) A 'Ricky Rubio' occupies a roster spot and acts as a normal NBA player and is therefore eligible to be placed in the IL after 5 missed games.

I think that could work and may make the league a little more fun. We'd need the whole league to vote on it.

[bww78]

Chris, did you get my last email?

[Young_Star11]

Interesting debate. I think because Rubio was actually drafted, he can be taken in the FFDL draft.

You cannot draft a player who is draft-ineligible.

You will retain the rights to a Ricky Rubio, but they would count as one of your 15 players you keep before the start of the next season (if you decide to keep him).

During the season, they would act as if they were an injured player.

Would like to know your thoughts on NBA players who leave for Europe though. e.g. I had Childress before he left.

[Stanford]

You cannot draft a player who is draft-ineligible.

1) All players who's rights are held by NBA teams may be drafted in the FFDL draft.

You will retain the rights to a Ricky Rubio, but they would count as one of your 15 players you keep before the start of the next season (if you decide to keep him).

During the season, they would act as if they were an injured player.

4) A 'Ricky Rubio' occupies a roster spot and acts as a normal NBA player and is therefore eligible to be placed in the IL after 5 missed games.

Would like to know your thoughts on NBA players who leave for Europe though. e.g. I had Childress before he left.

3) If a player on an FFDL roster leaves the nba, the manager who holds his rights is still eligible to keep him.

They sound like good rules to me.

[Young_Star11]

I'm happy with those rule changes.

The rights to Childress could come in really handy for me, but Rubio's defection does not.

Jannero Pargo is another one looking to come back to the NBA and I'm sure someone had him on their roster.

[hamncheese]

To maintain 'rights', I think you would have to keep a roster spot (unlike in the NBA) for the sake of being fair. Otherwise, we could see managers draft a few players who aren't in the NBA just to hold rights without losing a roster spot.

For Childress (and Krstic), it would've been nice if we had discussed this prior to last season, then you could've kep a roster spot (to hold his rights) for Childress, but given that we didn't have rules, Childress' rights were 'waived' because a roster spot wasn't kept for him and he should be a FA that can be drafted this season. (Note that I lost Krstic for similar reasons. I didn't keep a roster spot for him and when he returned last season, he was waiver wire fodder for whoever had the top priority.)

With Pargo, I don't think his rights are held by the Hornets anymore, so until he signs with a team, he's not draftable. Childress, Krstic, and Delfino were restricted free agents at the end of 2008, so ATL, NJ , and TOR still had their rights. Another Euro player who is 'draftable' is Juan Carlos Navarro. I thnk Memphis still has his rights, but I don't see him returning to the NBA.

[writersblock]

I agree with Ham. You have to have a roster spot for the guy after the season is over (you can keep him on IL during the season).

Also...Memphis, does, indeed still own rights to Juan Carlos Navarro.

[Young_Star11]

Ok, so the rights to Childress will be a part of the draft.

[Stanford]

That is indeed what that would mean.

I'm going to come right out and say it, I'm excited to see where Rubio goes.

[Young_Star11]

He might not get past #3 where I am. Suck a couple more years, get high picks, then try compete.

Flipside, I could move #3 to try and be competitive this year - I hate being in the cellar.

[Stanford]

I'd be interested in 3, probably...

[writersblock]

Jordan, sent you an email offer for #3...

[Stanford]

Jordan, sent you an email offer for #3...

That makes more sense actually.

[east]

I like the rule changes and agree with Stanford and Ham's posts.

YS, I'm interested in the 3rd pick and your 1st pick. Lets work something out!

[Young_Star11]

Replied to all your emails guys.

Thinking things over.

More likely to move the #3, and I am looking for some good value now.

Call me crazy, but with Griffin most likely coming aboard, and the prospect of further improvements, I could compete again.

[Stanford]

Call me crazy, but with Griffin most likely coming aboard, and the prospect of further improvements, I could compete again.

You're crazy!

You could compete again, but if you trade your third pick to someone who plans on taking rubio, that leaves some pretty decent players (Curry, Hill, Flynn - assuming Harden goes 2) for two of your top competitors (Carl and I) to choose from. Where as if you take a rookie who will play this year, Carl or I will probably take Rubio and lose out on that rookie production.

[Young_Star11]

By 'compete' I was talking about being competitive, mid-table to playoff bubble, and certainly not last place again.

Thing is, I'd probably take Rubio at #3.

[Stanford]

I'm trying here. I want the guy, if it's not clear.

[Young_Star11]

For the sake of the league, we couldn't have you getting Rubio surely. You could still win the 'chip without him, yikes.

If you're willing to shoot an offer, go ahead.