Anyone else worried?

BillessuR6 · Post #1 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:28 am

I have a bad feeling about this offseason. I can see summer of 2008 repeating itself again.

While other contenders are trading for or signing great players we haven`t done anything. If Sheed wanted to play here the deal would have already be agreed upon. Now, he is going to ORL and SA. I see nothing good coming out of this.

We lost Posey last season because we didn` want to give him the 4th year. Will it happen again with Wallace? I also don`t see us getting Grant Hill because it looks like other teams are willing to pay him much more than we are.

Marbury is on the way out! Did Danny seriously expect him to sign for the vet minimum? He isn`t anything special at his age but who is better than him on the FA market? I know that there is a difference in cap hit between a vet contract and if we offer him 2,5 mio but if we aren`t willing to pay that much then I don`t even know what to say. Well, I guess, welcome Tyrone Lue!

I am really starting to get worried. Waiting until end of the summer to make something happen won`t cut it. I don`t see any good guys wanting to come here at a discount price. We need to add some quality players, August leftovers won`t make this team better.

We have a 2 year window like Danny said. So, it is time to stop worrying about financial flexibility in 3 years and overpay if necessary! The waiting game should stop. The time is now!

cisco · Post #2 » by **cisco** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:30 am

Agreed. I'm sick of all this low-balling players, while other teams load up. I know they don't want to overpay, but if all it takes is adding another year, they should just do it. Get the deals done!

bceltic55 · Post #3 » by **bceltic55** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:36 am

How are we lowballing players? We have offered Sheed the full MLE and DA plus half the team is pushing him to sign. What more can the Celtics do? Yoy can't force a person to sign a contract. Hopefully we will get it done over the weekend, if we don't I agree we may be in trouble.

cisco · Post #4 » by **cisco** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:38 am

bceltic55 wrote:How are we lowballing players? We have offered Sheed the full MLE and DA plus half the team is pushing him to sign. What more can the Celtics do? Yoy can't force a person to sign a contract. Hopefully we will get it done over the weekend, if we don't I agree we may be in trouble.

They can offer 3 years, which is what he asked for.

cloverleaf · Post #5 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:48 am

I've got to agree. I'm getting the sense it's either Sheed or a fourth-tier big now, and that he's shopping for deals puts us at risk of having to settle for a decidedly lesser option. I'd rather have a slightly less talented, but still hungry and rising younger guy than Sheed anyway, but those guys are all gonna be sewn up elsewhere.

greenmachine_2849 · Post #6 » by **greenmachine_2849** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:51 am

bceltic55 wrote:How are we lowballing players? We have offered Sheed the full MLE and DA plus half the team is pushing him to sign. What more can the Celtics do? Yoy can't force a person to sign a contract. Hopefully we will get it done over the weekend, if we don't I agree we may be in trouble.

We are lowballing because we are only offering a two year deal, whereas we could be offering as much as a five year deal. If you had told me at the end of last season that we wanted to make a push for Rasheed Wallace in free agency, I would have said it would probably take almost whatever we could offer, the full MLE for at least four years. And it looks like Wallace wants at least three years, and there will probably be at least one other contender that feels that he is worth three years as well. So the Celtics offering less than what other contenders in similar positions are offering is lowballing, imo.

greenmachine_2849 · Post #7 » by **greenmachine_2849** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:00 pm

I hate to admit it, but I am starting to take the cynic's view of Celtics management/ownership. I'm not even sure they really want to sign any big name free agents this season, they just want to give the illusion that they want to. They seem to be making contract offers that they know the player probably won't accept because there are much better offers out there (like with Posey last year), just so they can go back to their fans and say "Oh well, we did our best". I hope I'm wrong, but that is certainly what it feels like.

bceltic55 · Post #8 » by **bceltic55** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:02 pm

Sheed is 37 years old, how many years do you feel he can be productive? DA will not sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal, no one will.

greenmachine_2849 · Post #9 » by **greenmachine_2849** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:05 pm

bceltic55 wrote:Sheed is 37 years old, how many years do you feel he can be productive? DA will not sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal, no one will.

34 years old, I believe.

Post #10 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:26 pm

I'm all for giving sheed the 3rd year.

forever35 · Post #11 » by **forever35** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:32 pm

Until a player gets to boston you never hear anyone dying to play in boston... once their here they love the fans, the celtic tradition and the organization... In another post I asked if anybody can name some big time fa's that was knockin on ouir door to wear the celtic jersey... (I mean big fa's, posey and house were good role players but not really top level fa's) ...the names that people threw out were dominique, x-man, bill walton and sherman douglas (sherm came via trade though)... The most recent of those guys were mid 90's...

KG came here cause of PP and the ray ray trade... We don't have that much cap space but come on, we have to send our big 3, owner and gm to try to get sheeed here... what more can we do... I see him goin to SA where he is probably gonna start...

Some say I'm makin a lame excuse but seriously who the hell is knockin on our door??? FA' s should be dyin to play in boston with the lineup we got...

On another note... why didn't we give the kid morris almond a look on our SL roster... he played with our d league affiliate and he tore it up even with bill and j.r. on his team (24pts per) I know its the d league but you still gotta play hard... he's a 6'6'' sg/sf with a lot of potential... the knicks just picked him up for their SL team...

I don't like the road we're takin right now... 2 yrs ago it was perfect but we seemed to have veered off it...

cloverleaf · Post #12 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:36 pm

35 before the season starts. The C's or any other team would be crazy to offer 4-5. But 3? I guess that's the question. The C's could use a staff gerontologist as it is...

Post #13 » by **canman1971** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:54 pm

Well, if anyone wasn't worried enough. Check out this little quote from Ainge,

Indeed, Ainge spoke highly of a minimum contract signing earlier this week when he said, “sometimes those are the players who work out the best.”

So, looks like he is at least getting prepared to have another offseason like last year.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketba ... position=1

Red2 · Post #14 » by **Red2** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:24 pm

I'm worried and agree re the low balling etc. It's last year all over. wyc talks about going for it but when it comes time to open the wallet he cheaps out. let's be real here: sheed is on the downside- even if we get him it may not be enough. the lakers IMO with artest are a solid favorite to win it again. artest would have been perfect for us but I supose we had no shot. He has more in the tank that wallace. Now marbury leaves. we need too many things to fall into place and I'm just not feeling it.

BillessuR6 · Post #15 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:25 pm

Sure, let`s bring back Mikki Moore! We don`t need anyone else!

Post #16 » by **sunshinekids99** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:28 pm

cisco wrote:
bceltic55 wrote:How are we lowballing players? We have offered Sheed the full MLE and DA plus half the team is pushing him to sign. What more can the Celtics do? Yoy can't force a person to sign a contract. Hopefully we will get it done over the weekend, if we don't I agree we may be in trouble.

They can offer 3 years, which is what he asked for.

You want to give a 35 year old guy 3 years? I don't blame the C's for not giving it to him. I'd only give him two as well.

Lewis35 · Post #17 » by **Lewis35** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:36 pm

canman1971 wrote:Well, if anyone wasn't worried enough. Check out this little quote from Ainge,

Indeed, Ainge spoke highly of a minimum contract signing earlier this week when he said, “sometimes those are the players who work out the best.”

So, looks like he is at least getting prepared to have another offseason like last year.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketba ... position=1

Like everybody else has been saying the magic, spurs, cavs, wizards and lakers are all much better than they were last year. I have major concerns about the Celtics bench. They are losing Baby, Marbury and Powe who were in the rotation.

Who the hell do the Celtics have coming off the bench? Right now it is House and Veal. Sad. You just know that Ainge is going to sign Swift. He has had a hard one for that dude since 2004.

This is not turning into a good off season because the top teams are getting better and the celtics appear to be getting worse.

I am having major concerns that the celtics simply will not be able to sign a decent player to come off the bench this year.

Zin5 · Post #18 » by **Zin5** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:48 pm

We've had more worthless contracts on this team (Scal, Lafrentz, Ratliff, Baker, etc) than a player who would be in only the third year of his contract at age 37 who could still possibly help then and would provide a lot of support the first two years with an approximate six million dollar expiring at that point.

Similarly, I was upset at not giving Posey his four years. At the very worst we use him as an expiring at some point. It's not like we've ever made a tremendous splash in free agency where we needed the cap room.

greenmachine_2849 · Post #19 » by **greenmachine_2849** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:38 pm

canman1971 wrote:Well, if anyone wasn't worried enough. Check out this little quote from Ainge,

Indeed, Ainge spoke highly of a minimum contract signing earlier this week when he said, “sometimes those are the players who work out the best.”

So, looks like he is at least getting prepared to have another offseason like last year.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketba ... position=1

Eh, I think you're taking the quote a little out of context. I think it was more in the context of "Once we use the mid-level exception, we will have only the veteran minimum to fill our roster out. But sometimes those signings are the ones that work out best." That quote doesn't really bother me in and of itself, although, taken along with their apparent reluctance to use the MLE, I could see where it would raise a few eyebrows.

Celtics>Breathing · Post #20 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:48 pm

Did anyone hear the interview with Ainge on the 3rd I think when he was talking about Mike Sweetney? Danny was pretty much gushing all about him and his tireless work to get back to the NBA, and making excuses for him saying he had personal problems. There's your replacement for BBD when he signs somewhere else and we don't match it. I hope Danny knows what he's doing. I guess if he low-balled Sheed too much and he signs with SAS or Orl we'll just snatch up big Robert Swift to fill Sheed's shoe's.

This is getting SCARY!!!