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IHG says Amare to the Warriors still possible 

Post#1 » by MaryvalesFinest » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:08 pm

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as of this morning, the talks between the suns and warriors have started again..wtf?

this could only mean that the suns are content with not getting curry or randolph, considering the fact that the deals in place with both of those did not come to fruition.


Hopefully the Suns would be getting back a first rounder or something anyway...
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Post#2 » by ruiner » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:13 pm

Even though this might get locked or deleted, Kerr better not give in w/o Randolph (since Nellie jerking it over Curry)
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Post#3 » by TASTIC » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:15 pm

There's no chance we get Randolph or Curry, so it'll be something lame like Biedrins, Wright and Belli


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Post#4 » by funlle » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:26 pm

It is my strong opinion that the SUNS front office CANNOT do a deal without Curry or Randolph for Amare. I would think that Sarver/Kerr realize that our fan base would not tolerate a sub par trade for Golden State's Biedreins (decent center) and the parts they have offered. By trading Amare, Nash will want out and we won't make the playoffs. As we all know, we have no lottery pick. We don't make the playoffs with the pieces from GS and Nash (and I don't think he would want to be here).

I think signing Amare is the only real option. We are no longer a free agent destination. We have zero chance landing any of the quality 2010 free agents.

It is critical that Sarver and Kerr take a deep breath. I think most of us feel that Kerr caved on the Shaq trade by not getting Cleveland's first rounder this year or next year. If we did a GS trade without Curry or Randolph, Sarver and Kerr would lose the last of any remaining confidence that Suns fan have........If Golden State somehow gets the rights to their first round pick back (a somewhat protected pick that New Jersey controls), I would NOT take that as part of a trade. If Golden State gets Amare, Golden State will make the playoffs and it will be a less meaningful pick for the Suns. Should the Suns make a poor deal with GS, it will be a clear sign that the Suns are not trying to build a competitive team.

I still have confidence that they won't cave on a poor trade with Golden State.
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Post#5 » by carey » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:27 pm

Ugh, no need for extra traffic over there please. Remove the link if you don't mind.
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Post#6 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:36 pm

funlle wrote:It is my strong opinion that the SUNS front office CANNOT do a deal without Curry or Randolph for Amare.


That's been the bottom line all along. We're just hoping our FO doesn't cave in for a lesser deal. The entire PHX fan base, even the casual fans, are going to judge Kerr based on what he does with Amare. If we take a lesser deal (meaning no Curry or Randolph) then not only are they going to lose fans, but attendance is going to go down the drain as well. Even though we may not be contender with just Amare and Nash, taking Amare away means that not only are we not winning, we're not even exciting.

What I've been confused with is why we would trade with a division rival. Trading with the Lakers is the LAST thing we should ever do and that should be the same with the W's.
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Post#7 » by tigerblood » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:39 pm

carey wrote:Ugh, no need for extra traffic over there please. Remove the link if you don't mind.

Funny guy. Some of us already read .net
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Post#8 » by carey » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:44 pm

Well grats to you mate, but they don't have the bandwith money realGM has so it'd be cool if all of realGM suns forum wasn't over there.
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Re: IHG says Amare to the Warriors still possible 

Post#9 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:49 pm

This is a lose/lose situation for the Suns. GS already doublecrossed us. We need to just walk away. It makes Kerr look even weaker then he is to the rest of the NBA knowing GS went back on our deal, yet Kerr still excepted it and made a deal with them. We dont get the players that we originally wanted (either Curry or Randolph) and are willing to take next years draft pick (if they do get it back from NJ) while taking back scrubs. Last i heard GS was offering Azabuike to NJ to get their pick back. So we would get Beans/Wright/Bellinelli and a 2010 draft pick (we have no idea where it will be as Kerr will probably take it as a top 10 protected pick and how good will it be when they have Amare/Ellis/Curry.). So we might get a #14 pick out of it. Yea for us!

Now to the players we would be getting.

Bellineli just sucks. reading the Hollinger report on him makes me laugh.

Hollinger wrote:The "Did They Really Say That?" award for 2007 goes to the Warriors brass who speculated Belinelli might beat out Monta Ellis for a starting job. Puh-leeze -- this guy might not be able to start in the D-League.

Belinelli did exactly what his Euroleague translations predicted: he had a decent scoring rate with a bad shooting percentage, a low rate of assists, and truly horrid rebounding. Though he's 6-6, Belinelli grabbed only 3.1 percent of missed shots when he played; had he met the 500-minute cutoff that would have been the worst rebound rate in basketball (for comparison Earl Boykins, who is 13 inches shorter and in his 30s, had a rebound rate of 3.4).

The rebound rate is a fairly strong indicator that Belinelli simply isn't athletic enough to compete at this level; other red flags screaming out this information are that he didn't block a shot all season, and that he earned only nine free throws in 242 minutes.

At a bare minimum, he needs to shoot a whole lot better. He came in advertised as a shooter but hit only 38.7 percent from the floor. The one positive was his 39.0 percent mark on 3-pointers, and if he wants to survive in the league he should specialize more in this shot and shoot fewer long 2s off the dribble.

Scouting report: A left-hander with a sweet, high-arcing delivery, Belinelli certainly isn't somebody you'd want to leave open on the perimeter. However, he's had surprisingly poor shooting percentages throughout his career -- both in Europe and in Golden State -- and one wonders if his shot selection needs work.

Defensively, he was hopeless in his rookie season, but he's not the first player in history to struggle with that transition. At 6-6 he could become a competent wing defender in time, but given his slow feet and lack of hops it's going to be an uphill battle.

2008-09 outlook: Save for one brilliant summer league game, there's nothing in Belinelli's track record to suggest he's an NBA rotation player, so I certainly wouldn't place much faith in his ability to produce this year. The Warriors will probably give him a few chances to earn a rotation spot, since they invested a first-round pick in him, but given his other glaring weaknesses he'll need to hit 45 percent or so on 3s in order to keep it.


Sounds like the perfect player for a rebuilding Suns team huh?

Wright might be OK, but i dont see the upside that GS has been spewing out. Randolph is obviously the young PF with potential and Wright is just a young PF.

Beans is what he is. Last year he was an 11/11 player. once again i turn to the Hollinger report.

Hollinger wrote:Scouting report: Biedrins is an unorthodox player who shoots an extremely high percentage despite the fact he's a terrible shooter. Obviously, shot selection plays an important role -- he will never, ever attempt a shot more than five feet from the basket -- but he's also a long, active force in the paint who is an expert finisher from close range. Though he's improved his bizarre lefty line-drive push shot from the free-throw line, he still shoots a lot of free throws that never get 10 feet high.

Defensively, Biedrins' thin frame doesn't do him any favors in post defense, as he can be overpowered by bigger centers or even physical power forwards. He does a better job against players with his body type, but he's prone to picking up fouls leaning on opposing bigs. He's a good shot-blocker and takes care of the boards, but he'd be a lot better off paired with a physical, take-no-prisoners power forward who did the dirty work and allowed him to roam off the ball and make plays.

2008-09 outlook: The one positive of Nelson's chronic underuse of his big man is that nobody seems to have caught on to quite how good he is. This guy could easily end up in an All-Star game in the next couple of years, yet the Warriors were able to retain him with a six-year deal worth only $54 million in guaranteed money. Given what far lesser centers have made in recent seasons this was a screaming bargain, though that may not become obvious until Nelly has retreated to Maui.

For now, don't expect any big upticks in Biedrins' minutes, even though he seems a mortal lock to lead the league in shooting percentage again. But take note of those stellar per-minute stats, which may only rise given that he's improved his numbers every season.

Most similar at age: Eddy Curry


Eddy Curry!?!? Really???? He might be an All-Star in the next 2 years, but we are giving up an All-Star that has been an All-Star for the past 5 years!


Basically my point is the Suns need to teach GS a lesson and just walk away. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me.

Kerr is a fool and going through with this trade will show the entire NBA what we already know.
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Re: IHG says Amare to the Warriors still possible 

Post#10 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:55 pm

I understand why you guys feel strongly about getting Curry or Randolph in an amare deal. If I were a Suns fan I'd want that as well. But from a Warrior standpoint maybe i can make you guys feel better about the 3 guys rumored in the deal.

Most of you are aware of Biedrins. At around 10 million per he's a good bargain for one of the top young centers in the league. He alone will rebound the ball better than Amare. Far less scoring, but great in the pick and roll. Always makes the smart play and always bringing energy and high effort. Nash will love him.

Brandan Wright is a far from finished product who'd be entering into his senior year if he stayed at UNC. The guy is always in the right spots when playing. He's excellant around the basket on offense and his hook shot is un blockable. He's got a high Bball IQ as they say. The knock on him is his weight. He's thin and needs to grow, but considering the guy should still be in College, I'd think that his body will come around. And when it does so will his rebounding. The guys an elite shot blocker due to his crazy wingspan. Nash will love him.

As for Bellinelli, Nash and Belli will love playing together. Once Belli started D-ing up last year he made a huge difference. He's a legit 6'5" and has unlimited range on his jumper. He has PG vision and is always moving without the ball. The defense and creativeness with Nash will have people around the league wondering why Nellie didn't play him more. Nash will really love him.

The bottom line from my standpoint is that Nash is in Kerr's ear and has told him that this team needs to get back to guys who play the game the way Nash thinks it should be played. All 3 Warrior guys fit that Nash philosophy of movement and smart Bball IQ. None of them are Prima Donnas and won't let their egos get in the way. They're all young and it would be a very smart move for your future. Cap wise and talent wise.

Having said all of this, I'm really hoping the deal doesn't happen. Not because I think amare isn't a good player. Far from it. He's absolutely the top player in the discussion hands down. But for our future I'd rather stick with affordable high upside players who play the right way.

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Post#11 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:55 pm

Good take Kerrsed
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Post#12 » by Coxy » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:55 pm

TASTIC wrote:There's no chance we get Randolph or Curry, so it'll be something lame like Biedrins, Wright and Belli


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+1.

Randolph aint going anywhere. thats for sure. The deal will either involve Curry, or won't.

I think a deal of Amare for Andris, Wright and 1 of either Azubukie or Belinelli has been done.

Nellies put his foot down, the fat controller wont budge.
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Post#13 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:09 am

Hypathetically would GS fans take Randolph over Amare?
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Post#14 » by J-Rich- » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:15 am

DirtyDez wrote:Hypathetically would GS fans take Randolph over Amare?



considering everything(age, salary, potential, injury history, etc.) HELL YES!! I and most gs fans would refuse to trade amare for randolph alone if it were possible
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Post#15 » by chefsunsfan7 » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:17 am

I'd take Buki over Belli. Morrow is a good shooter, but Im not sure what else he could contribute. I wish these rumors would go away though to be honest. We wont be getting what we want. Not either Curry or Randolph, so forget it. I dont have any faith in the other players GS wants to send us, except for Biedrens who is an above average 5 imo.
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Post#16 » by Risensun » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:18 am

Coxy wrote:

Nellies put his foot down, the fat controller wont budge.


Well if Nellie's put his foot Down and keeps pestering he can expect us to put our foot UP his A$$...
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Post#17 » by J-Rich- » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:19 am

Andris has improved every year and nellie has literally been holding andris' true potential back. I'm not saying this because i like andris, im saying it because nellie really has been screwing andris' development
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Post#18 » by TASTIC » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:21 am

JRich. why are we paying you so much...

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Post#19 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:23 am

Amare aint signing and extension w/ GS anyway so what's the point?
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Post#20 » by ruiner » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:26 am

I love how the Warriors fans are always trying to justify why it's a fair deal w/o Randolph (screw Curry, I don't even like him as a prospect). Of course you think so. But it's not a fair deal and there's nothing to be said that can change that. I know it's unrealistic to get equal value, but for giving up Amare, we need to get someone back with ACTUAL potential. Biedrins is only a pretty good player and his potential isn't much higher. Wright, Beli or AZ don't have anywhere near the potential to make it half way to what Amare is.

Kerr needs to take a stand. It's not like GS has another deal like this out there, or player of his calibur or better in FA lining up to come there anywhere soon. Good luck with getting Bosh (or anyone like it) for this type of package.

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