revprodeji wrote:Marc wrote:I am not trying to convince anyone that Rubio wont come over. I really hope that Ricky eventually comes over.
Most likely he will come over if Kahn doesn't trade his right but i don't think it is a "100%" sold thing. It is more like 90 i believe.
With Bird and Robinson you knew for sure that they would come over.
http://www.marca.com/2009/07/02/balonce ... 38106.htmlRubio Esteve was happy with the choice of Ricky with the number 5 of the draft with the Wolves: "The number 5 and Minnesota is the best thing that could have happened to Ricky. I could spend two years without going to the NBA. Would leave before ido to be safe and have to talk to banks to pay the clause, and should be playing two years for free. "
"The clause that is not feasible to go to the NBA," he said.
I do not know how much clear you can be. MN=fine, buyout=bad. No mention of the big crap hole in NY.
Hi everybody, that translation isn't very accurate. As a Spaniard I'll give you a better translation and my point of view.
Full article translated (kind of literal, sorry if you don't understand everything):
He doesn't rule out anything about the future of his son.
Ricky Rubio's father: "Ricky is nervous"
- They need to negotiate Ricky's buyout in order to be able to go to the NBA. . They don't find a solution with "la Penya" (DKV Joventud).
Esteve Rubio, Ricky Rubio's father, took over the mics of Onda Madrid to talk about his son’s uncertain future.
The father of the "prodigy boy" of Spanish basketball wanted to clarify some of the controversy surrounding his son and DKV Joventud. "It has been made a big deal of something that isn't that serious".
We didn't expect Joventud to react like this. Every worker has his rights, and Ricky has the right to know if his contract is correct or not. He only asks for that”, Esteve explained about the settlement lawsuit that they presented to lower the buy out (6 million Euros) [8,405,397 USD]
“We are trying to stay in the sidelines as much as we can, but Ricky is nervous. This was only a settlement lawsuit, but it has been turned into an excessive controversy”, he stated about the lawsuit with Joventud.
Esteve Rubio talked about Ricky Rubio's preferences on his future destination, and he was clear: "For the moment, Ricky only wants to play for Joventud, now we have to see if Joventud wants him to play for them."
He was much more evasive when he was asked about Real Madrid’s interest on him. “Lots of rumors come to us from many places and there are conversations with many people...but nothing has to be ruled out”, he said.
Esteve Rubio was delighted with his son becoming the 5th overall pick by the Wolves: “5th pick and Minnesota is the best thing that could have happened to Ricky. He might stay two years without going to the NBA. If he had been picked higher [1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th] he would have to go [to the NBA] definitely, so we would have to speak with banks to pay the buyout, and he would have to play for two years for free”.
“With the actual buyout clause his departure to the NBA is not feasible”, he sentenced.
Now let's play "True or False" about all this Ricky story:
- Ricky wants to play for Joventud. False.
- Rubio is overrated. True.
- Ricky is a picky, cocky, cry baby, immature...[insert your pejorative adjective here] kid. False.
- Rubio is doing what any other person would do if were him. True.
- Ricky would be one of the best 10 PG in the NBA next season. False.
- Ricky is better than the average PG and deserves a long, more or less successful, career in the NBA. True
- Ricky wants to play in the NBA, as soon as possible. True.
- Minnesota is not among Ricky's favorite teams. True.
- Ricky thought he would be picked by the Kings. True.
- In that case he would have played the next season for the Kings. True.
- New York is not among Ricky's favorite teams. False.
- Rubio doesn't want to play for the Timberwolves. False.
- Rubio prefers to play for the Knicks. True.
- If Rubio had not the buyout issue he would be a Wolf now. True.
- Ricky didn't like that the Wolves took another young promising PG after him. True.
- If Khan wouldn't have picked Flynn, Ricky would be a Wolf now. False.
- Good weather is important for Ricky. True.
- Ricky will only live in a city with a good climate. False.
- Ricky's image has been deteriorated, and he deserves it. False.
- You can blame Fegan, agents, and the people who advise him for that. True.
Also we have some key factors:
- Ricky hates Joventud GM because he verbally promised him to negotiate the buyout in case he was going to the NBA. Joventud GM has been completely inflexible and he even offered Ricky's contract as a guarantee to the Spanish IRS.
- Joventud fans hate Ricky and want him to go to the NBA so they haters can see how the "fu**ing cocky kid" is another overrated Euro-bust destroyed by the best players in the world.
- Ricky has preferences, like everyone else, but the only thing that separates him from the Wolves is the buyout. He would not ask for a trade, comparisons with Francis are not fair.
- Joventud GM doesn't want a guy who has "disrespected" his team that way and who is hated by the fans, but he really needs the money.
- If Joventud keeps Ricky in the team, they have a cheap star. If they sign any other star, he would make much more money than Ricky. Also, they earn more money in endorsements if Ricky is in the team.
- Ricky salary is completely out of proportion if you compare it to his buyout clause. Joventud GM wants him to withdraw the settlement lawsuit because he knows it may result (there are precedents) in a drastic reduction of the buyout. Rubio is supposedly going to withdraw the lawsuit as that's the first exigence by Joventud GM to start talking about lowering the buyout and pacifying the situation.
Then, these would be the possible solutions for each party:
- Joventud.
a)They sell Ricky to any rich European team --> Why not likely? Too much money for a guy who wants to play in the NBA in 1 or 2 years. Also Ricky would decline any offer from any other European team, since that would help Joventud and Joventud haven't helped him.
b) Ricky decides to pay the buyout (or most of it) --> Why not likely? Nobody would do that. Losing money makes no sense.
c) Endorsements pay the buyout (or most of it) --> Why not likely? If that was a possibility it would have been made before. If Ricky is traded to a big market (New York) this would be supposedly possible. As Minnesota will not do that soon, another ruled out solution.
d) Timberwolves owner, through anyone else, pays the buyout (or most of it) --> Why not likely? Too risky, you don't want to lose so many 1st round picks for only one player. Wolves already learned the lesson.
e) Joventud gives up and lowers the buyout to a logical amount.
- Ricky.
a) Joventud lowers the buyout and he goes to the NBA. --> Logical option for everybody, except for some fans/haters and Joventud "Mr.I Need Cash" GM, so far.
b) He says he wants to play for Joventud and stays in the team for a short time until he gets a) so he can go to the NBA next season.
c) Ricky plays for Joventud next season and then he gets a) --> Why not likely? He sued the team. It seems difficult to sort out the problems between the different parties
d) Ricky stays in Spain for two years until his contract concludes so he can go to the NBA. --> Why not likely? Joventud wouldn't get a single cent for the more valuable asset they ever got, and after all that controversy.
- Minnesota.
a) They wait until Ricky is free to come to the NBA and sign with them.
b) They receive a good offer and trade him --> Why not likely? David Khan trusts Ricky. He wouldn't be able to see him being successful at any other team, not at least until Ricky came to be a disappointment while playing for the Wolves.
c) They get fed up of waiting for Ricky and trade his rights for anything worse than a 5th pick admitting their mistake --> Why not likely? Unless Ricky has a career ending injury, he would be playing in the NBA in 2 years, in the worst possible scenario, and Wolves are willing to wait for two years.
The impertinent questions:
- Eeeeehhmm, there is something I can't understand...why did Rubio sign that contract if it was so obviously disproportionate?
Mmm, that's the big question here. With his actual salary he would have to work for 40 years to pay his buyout. You can blame his parents, as they signed it for him (he was a minor). You can blame his agent too. And perhaps you can blame Rubio for not forcing a renegotiation before (it's being rumored that Rubio had the chance to renegotiate his NBA buyout last year in exchange of increasing his European buyout but he declined). Maybe they thought it was a lot of money for a kid...maybe they thought that at 21 would be the ideal age to go to the NBA...or maybe they simply thought that given the case, Joventud GM would be reasonable and would make things easy for a kid who joined the club when he was 12, and has been underpayed for 4 years now, playing for a professional basketball club since he was 14, earning a laughable amount of money if you compare it with his teammates salary, minutes an performance.
But even with all that, they trusted Joventud's word too much, and they signed a contract that should be reported (as it has been) and result into a 1 or 2 million dollars buyout. They should have never accepted that buyout clause, but they did, and now they pay the consequences.
There is a big debate about this, but the only conclusion you can come to is that the kid has been given really bad advices.
-Hey dude...if Ricky knew all the buyout probable consequences...why the hell did he entered in the NBA Draft?
Well, this was a supposedly really weak draft, he had all that Olympics hype, he had his American agent Dan Fegan telling him to do it...and Ricky is a prodigy kid whose thirst for getting better seems unstoppable. So playing the sooner the better with the best players was the most attractive option to him, despite the drawbacks. Also he had to take the most of his prestige in America now, before he could have an important injury or a stop in his, until now, meteoric progression as a player (haters think he already came to a standstill last season). Fegan assured him he would be a top 5 pick, and you can't let that chance go. Now he knows he will have a good salary and minutes whenever he goes to the NBA.
- OK fu**ing Spaniard who asks questions to himself and writes to much sh*t, so what the hell is gonna happen with the overhyped, Pistol Pete look-alike, problematic kid? Why doesn't he keep the settlement lawsuit, gets his buyout reduced to 1 or 2 millions and that's it?
Yes, that might seem the best choice right now...but it may be much more complicated. It could be a really long process and it might result in a not as good sentence as the 1 or 2 millions one. Then, after all, Ricky doesn't want to damage his beloved club. He'd like to be in good terms with the club, even to play there if he had to come back to Europe after playing in the NBA. So that's why a friendly solution seems so much more suitable.
Therefore, this is what's gonna happen (in my humble, modest, useless, likely wrong opinion/prediction): Rubio will withdraw the lawsuit. Rubio and Joventud GM will negotiate. Joventud will want to send him to another European team. Rubio will decline. Rubio might be threatened to not to play a single minute in two seasons if he declines. Negotiations will take a long time, who knows how long. At some point, they will reach an agreement and Rubio will play for the Wolves this season, unless they trade him before.
You can't keep in your team a player who doesn't want to be in your team, who is thinking of the NBA, hated by the fans, and whose relations with the team executives are really deteriorated. And you shouldn't do that - even more reasonably - when you need so much money as Joventud needs and keeping the player means reducing the value of your best asset.
That's it guys. Sorry for my poor English and sorry for my long analysis/brick. I respect any different opinion, I just wanted to share mine with you. Hopefully, at least the translation was helpful. Peace.
PS. Don't believe any rumor, wait until Ricky or his agents say something firm on his future.
