Lakers' pay roll at 83 million and counting...

lakeshow248 · Post #1 » by **lakeshow248** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:16 am

With out Lamar and Shannon in the fold yet, that is not something that is worrying me a little bit. Is Mitch trying to shake Sasha, Morrison, Farmar in order to make room; I hope so. They got Bynum to essentially take over in the starting lineup for Lamar. He gets like a 9 million dollar raise this year, hard not to see him get more minutes. So where does that leave Lamar ? Not sure if Lakers' will go over the cap 8 million w/ Lamar and then pay double that for the lux tax. It would be nice but seems like a non Jerry Buss move. I hope I'm wrong because w/ Lamar and Shannon on board they will challenge 70 wins IMO.

Hopefully, Mitch can make another great move to keep Lamar and Shannon. Hopefully Lamar don't get a big offer and he stays for 8 million. Fish's contract will be up along w/ Morrison's next year so they kinda save a year later his money. Only thing is that they will need a new point guard.

I kind of think the limit is at 90 and they have to fit two guys into that. So, the easiest move is trade Farmar and resign Lamar for 8 and Shannon for 2m. The catch is, is Sun Yue ready to play pg if their is any injuries; that is where Jordan comes in very handy being a proven reserve.

If would be nice to trade Morrison but they don't want his money on the books at all, and nobody is taking him for futures. Hopefully, Buss bites the bullet and waits till next year when he can save 10 million on Morrison and Fish. By then we will know if Bynum is for real and then maybe move Lamar for a point guard to replace Fish.

Other wise the Lakers' would have to trade Sasha and Farmar say to a team that is under the cap and only take back a portion of the salaries. Say a sign and trade w/ the Raptors for Anthony Parker. They give Parker 4 million a year and the Raps take essentially 7 million back their way.

daddyfivestar · Post #2 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:55 am

Fisher 5.05
Farmar 1.95
Kobe 23.03
Sasha 5.0
Luke 4.84
Artest 5.6
Ammo 5.26
Pau 16.45
Powell 0.96
Mbenga 0.96
Bynum 12.5
= 81.6

Odom 9.0 (?) - Portland can offer 9m, and that is if they renounce Freeland and Koponen
Brown 1.6 (?) - doubles his salary, now that he's seen that Mitch doesn't play games
=92.6

I think it's do-able and maybe LA looks to unload some salary closer to October.

Next summer, Fisher+Ammo $$ gone. Vujacic is a 5m expiring. Saves 15.3 mil, use an MLE on a PG and add a couple rookies.

Jaykoolzboy · Post #3 » by **Jaykoolzboy** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:03 am

Hey this is L.A, we can afford those kinda of payroll, however I just dun see Lamar back to LAL next season, you can't pay Lamar 18 mil to be a sixth man.

jamisont · Post #4 » by **jamisont** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:12 am

Jaykoolzboy wrote:Hey this is L.A, we can afford those kinda of payroll, however I just dun see Lamar back to LAL next season, you can't pay Lamar 18 mil to be a sixth man.

18mil? he's looking for 9~10mil figure.. Lakers had about 15mil budget to sign both Odom and Ariza, and they used 5.8 on artest so they have about 9.2mil to resign Odom.

daddyfivestar · Post #5 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:23 am

^ pretty sure he was including the tax double.

Yes you can pay him that if it means another title run 12-13 extra home games in the post-season.

I will prefer to look at it like this:

Kobe for 46 mil!! The other Lakers make up the rest.

Tommy Trojan · Post #6 » by **Tommy Trojan** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:23 am

DAMN BOY Ammo and Artest make this same money!!! That is just sick mang

iamworthy · Post #7 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:26 am

Tommy Trojan wrote:DAMN BOY Ammo and Artest make this same money!!! That is just sick mang

So you know we got a good deal on Artest.

jamisont · Post #8 » by **jamisont** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:31 am

buss said he might go over 100mil payroll for a year, so i think thats what he'll do. we're not over 100mil payroll yet.
so that means we are not going to trade fisher or ammo cuz we do need their expiring contract for next season.

we dont have draft pick next season, so with those 2 's expiring contract, we'll be around 95mil payroll, so that mean we wont use full MLE to get a point guard next season i think, unless mitch makes some move on farmar/sasha.

Magic Mamba · Post #9 » by **Magic Mamba** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:04 am

We are like the yankees of the NBA... except we win!

Mamba Venom · Post #10 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:20 am

What (who) is killing the Lakers are the contracts of

AMMO
SASHA
LUKE

Those guys are grossly overpaid.

The Lakers would be better off w/o those guys and some young rookies instead.

Depth is great but tell me you wouldn't trade those guys for a 15 mil a year stud on top of

Kobe
Gasol
Odom
Artest
Bynum
Fish
Brown
Farmar
Powell
MBenga

Can you imagine a 15 mil a year PG on the Lakers too???!!!???

Mamba Venom · Post #11 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:20 am

Dam AMMOSASHALUKEAVIC!!!

Jajwanda · Post #12 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:33 am

You might see something interesting soon to add a cheap long-term PG solution while dropping current salary like a Morrison deal for Charlie Bell. That'll save just about enough this year to make the Odom deal happen along with Brown. Following that we'll trade off Farmar as well for a pick and trade exception putting us well within where we want to be. Yue might be retained to have depth and since he has a pretty cheap salary it's a possibility.

PG- Fisher, Bell, Brown
SG- Bryant, Vujajic (until we can get rid of him or he regains his shot the dumbass)
SF- Artest, Walton, Yue
PF- Gasol, Odom (man oh man I hope he's back along with Brown), Powell
C- Bynum, Mbenga,

Tommy Trojan · Post #13 » by **Tommy Trojan** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:42 am

enlightenment wrote:What (who) is killing the Lakers are the contracts of

AMMO
SASHA
LUKE

Those guys are grossly overpaid.

The Lakers would be better off w/o those guys and some young rookies instead.

Depth is great but tell me you wouldn't trade those guys for a 15 mil a year stud on top of

Kobe
Gasol
Odom
Artest
Bynum
Fish
Brown
Farmar
Powell
MBenga

Can you imagine a 15 mil a year PG on the Lakers too???!!!???

Add Bynum to that list. No way she should be getting almost 13 when Artest is not even making half that

KingLakers · Post #14 » by **KingLakers** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 6:08 am

First, Where did all this talk about Bell come from we still have Farmar.
Second Luke isn't going no where he's a favorite of Phils.
Third, the best way for the Lakers to cut salary is probably to trade Morrison I think the Lakers want to give Sasha one more year. My personal hope is that the Lakers can trade both Sasha and Morrison and resign Brown but have him play SG and to fill the final roster spot the Lakers should sign either Rush or Green I hope Green personally.
4th I think Nate is out of the picture now with Artest in LA people might have overlooked the fact that right now the Lakers have 3 players that very recently were leading their old teams in scoring adding Nate could cause problems with how many shots certain players get. Don't forget about Bynum either.

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #15 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 6:11 am

Wow, we need to dump sasha and ammo anyway we can. Talk about worthless.

Trifecta7 · Post #16 » by **Trifecta7** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:56 pm

It all comes down to that question: Is Buss willing to pay an extra $20 million dollars for being over the luxury tax threshold?

Salary Cap: $58.68 million
Luxury Tax: $71.15 million

If yes, we will continue to be a juggernaut in the NBA, which is awesome. If not, it'll be like an exchange of Lamar and Ariza for Artest and Powell in terms of playing time. I'll be disappointed at that.

Ammo's contract looks so out of place... He's going to be playing behind Artest and Luke, so it's really not worth it. I hope Mitch will be able to do something with it.

If Shannon comes back along with LO, Sun Yue could be the odd man out with the Lakers hip deep in luxury tax. That and Mitch did say they would like to limit the roster to 13 players.

LO wants $10 million and it seems Portland is the only team right now that can offer him that with Turk committing a Booz. They seem to be looking for a SF, so hopefully they don't try to give LO what they tried to give Turk and complicate matters.

Contracts as of now (source):

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  Player             Salary
Kobe Bryant      $23,034,375
Pau Gasol        $16,452,000 
Andrew Bynum     $12,500,000
Adam Morrison    $ 5,257,229
Derek Fisher     $ 5,048,000
Sasha Vujacic    $ 5,000,000 
Luke Walton      $ 4,840,000
Jordan Farmar    $ 1,947,240
DJ Mbenga        $   959,111
Josh Powell      $   959,111
Sun Yue          $   736,420

Total            $76,733,486

Notes:

Sun Yue: 2009-10 is not guaranteed if waived before 8/1/09, partially guaranteed for $100,000 if waived between 8/2/09 and opening day, fully guaranteed after that.

Pending:

Ron Artest: $5.6 million

Free Agents:

Lamar - L.A. Times last reported he's asking for $10 million.
Shannon - ? Last said to have talked with the Pacers.

DubaLakers · Post #17 » by **DubaLakers** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 1:25 pm

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... odom_back/

The bank is already busted and the bailout money is yet to come for Odom...

This is why I said are you guys so sure Odom is still in the plans now that we have Artest?
No one seemed to think Odom wouldn't be in the plans, but again he's likely not going to start and he wants 10M a year, the Lakers prolly offer 8-9, he's good coming off the bench again? Would the Lakers just change direction and go after a stud PG in a trade or FA pickup like Ramon Sessions instead and get a guy "like" a Kurt Thomas to help the PF/C down low?

lakersfanatic · Post #18 » by **lakersfanatic** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 4:54 pm

i think ultimately... if Buss wants another championship run.. he'll have to fork out that extra dough and stop losing it on his poker games lol jk.

We're already losing ariza so losing LO would be that main blow that will probably take us out of contention. Kobe didn't opt out because he was probably told they will keep the team intact. We got a good deal with artest plus artest is much better other than his attitude.

do it mitch.. keep lo and shannon hehe

Tekkenlaw · Post #19 » by **Tekkenlaw** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:23 pm

Farmar for Livingston saves like 300k. We could probably get the thunder to throw in a 2nd rounder too.

Also, the Bucks would do Bell for Morrison straight up I'm sure. That saves about a million. Would Bell start over Fisher? I honestly have never seen him play.

I'm not sure what they could deal Sasha for. He's my least favorite Laker by far but it might make sense to hold onto him and see if he can raise up his value next season. Dump him before the deadline like Radmanavic.

supaflash · Post #20 » by **supaflash** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:48 pm

I find it hard to believe that the FO won't keep LO. Not overpaying Ariza and picking up Artest just screams that they were intending to keep Lamar all along. I'm pretty sure they'll come to some sort of agreement for 8-9 ish eventually. Ultimately each side is trying to get the best deal they can and thats just business but I believe they both want the same thing and it will happen. We know LO wants to stay in LA and we know LA wants to keep him so its just negotiations at this point. I'm sure the FO is also trying to make some more moves and there is no sense making an offer before all the options are explored. I wouldn't doubt that they are shopping Ammo extensively for a taker.

NO one will take Walton's contract, won't happen. And even though its a little overpaid, its not rediculously bad. I thought he really matured in the playoffs and played pretty nice aside from all the fouls. He made some pretty important buckets and plays against the Rox and Nugs. He's the perfect bench role player for this team even though some people hate on him. I think he keeps getting better now that he's more healthy.

Sasha, probably can't move him either, maaayybe but despite the uber suck this year he puts forth effort every night and I think he'll really push himself to redeem himself next year. I think he'll bounce back with a summer off to refocus on his shot and whatnot. With Artest able to shift to SG at times we won't really even need him that much especially if we can keep Brown somehow.

best Idea I can come up with is:
Ammo + Farmar + future pick for S&T Nate Robinson at 6mil. Save a couple mil (nearly 4 with luxury) and solve our quick PG problem. NY gets even more cap relief for a Bosh/Bron and fillers deal next year and a cheap and potentially great PG for D'Antoni's system.

Win Win IMO.

PG Fish/Nate
SG Kobe/Sasha
SF Artest/Luke
PF Pau/LO/Powell
C Bynum/Mbenga

Monstrous...