Bynum Must Go?

[milesfides]

What's sad is that still, after so many years, we can't have a discussion without directly or indirectly attacking posters.

True, this discussion was obviously a touchy issue, as it is with any player of any value on our team. I do feel I wasted an terrible amount of time researching, presenting, and trying to have an objective discussion. I fear I haven't really influenced too many people to have an open mind about this, which is quite understandable.

But i will end with this, something that I've certainly been guilty of in the past, present, and will be in the future. I find it helps guide the way I have discussions and conversations.

Many times, the ideas that are most offensive to us are the ones we are most insecure about.

[El Hardee]

Butter... watch it too. You just can't attack posters... it's fine to say "that concept" or "your idea" is stupid.... calling the poster stupid isn't ok.

Thx DD for keepin it fair, and not being a Thread Nazi..........El HardeeX (thats my new name...hahahah)

[LLcoleJ]

Butter... watch it too. You just can't attack posters... it's fine to say "that concept" or "your idea" is stupid.... calling the poster stupid isn't ok.

Thx DD for keepin it fair, and not being a Thread Nazi..........El HardeeX (thats my new name...hahahah)

keep laughin..

[Chubby Chaser]

Worst... Idea...... E V E R

[organix]

wow, how soon people forget how much of a beast bynum is because he tried to come back in the playoffs this year

[Lord Thaliontil]

I´ve never liked Bynum and i should never defend him.I´m sorry,but I would rather choose Ariza and Odom instead of AB17,first,he is not a good defender,in fact I think he is worst than the Gasol we saw in the last finals.On the low block he is a beast,a selfish beast,he just can´t pass,everytime he receives the ball he tries to attack the rim,no matter how many defenders are on his way to the basket,low IQ,faul troubles,two major injuries and a long-term contract.

If we trade him,perhaps we get some money and decent players on return,i´d do it in a heartbeat.Would you prefer the possibility of 6 rings if he becomes a beast like Shaq or Olajuwon,o the garanty of having 3 rings if we keep our core and some solid players?

Go La!

[Anklebreaker702]

I´ve never liked Bynum and i should never defend him.I´m sorry,but I would rather choose Ariza and Odom instead of AB17,first,he is not a good defender,in fact I think he is worst than the Gasol we saw in the last finals.On the low block he is a beast,a selfish beast,he just can´t pass,everytime he receives the ball he tries to attack the rim,no matter how many defenders are on his way to the basket,low IQ,faul troubles,two major injuries and a long-term contract.

If we trade him,perhaps we get some money and decent players on return,i´d do it in a heartbeat.Would you prefer the possibility of 6 rings if he becomes a beast like Shaq or Olajuwon,o the garanty of having 3 rings if we keep our core and some solid players?

Go La!

That is what the main problem is here. You don't like him so therefore can not be objective. I'm not going to make another long post about his upside, No he didn't live up to some expectations this Finals but it looks bad on you to say someone has a low IQ then proceed to spell foul wrong.

[butter17]

I´ve never liked Bynum and i should never defend him.I´m sorry,but I would rather choose Ariza and Odom instead of AB17,first,he is not a good defender,in fact I think he is worst than the Gasol we saw in the last finals.On the low block he is a beast,a selfish beast,he just can´t pass,everytime he receives the ball he tries to attack the rim,no matter how many defenders are on his way to the basket,low IQ,faul troubles,two major injuries and a long-term contract.

If we trade him,perhaps we get some money and decent players on return,i´d do it in a heartbeat.Would you prefer the possibility of 6 rings if he becomes a beast like Shaq or Olajuwon,o the garanty of having 3 rings if we keep our core and some solid players?

Go La!

I don't agree with you at all... once again the man was a beast in the middle before he got hurt. Why is everybody forgetting that.

[Kreuk]

the lakers will keep bynum if for no other reason - so that they dont become like the post-jordan bulls when kobe retires... by the time kobe retires, bynum will be coming into his own and then we can potentially build the team around him...

having a roster of amazing players is no guarantee for the championship... and who's to say that if we traded bynum for a couple of "amazing" players that we'd have any better of a chance?

[Slava]

^^ Am I the only one sensing sarcasm in that post?

[Mamba Venom]

Bynum is the key to winning it all this year.

If he develops into the player he was in Jan the Lakers will win 4 more titles!!!

If you did want to trade Bynum the time would be in Jan when a superstar gets unhappy and can be had for cheap.

Who is a better a center in the West?
Duncan and Amare are pf
Who is hands down better than Bynum? Dwight, Shaq, Yao and thats it.... so he seems overpaid but really he isnt. He just isnt underpaid like Artest.

[Sedale Threatt]

I do feel I wasted an terrible amount of time researching, presenting, and trying to have an objective discussion.

I actually thought those were some of the best posts in this thread. Objectivity requires keeping an open mind about everything, and that means taking a fair and honest look at Andrew's history with injuries.

People can talk about the last two injuries being flukes as much as they want -- and I've been one of them -- but when you have trained specialists saying that Andrew's individual physiology might have contributed to them, that must be recognized and respected.

Doesn't mean they're right, or that Andrew won't go the next decade without missing more than a handful of games per season. At this point, we simply don't know. But when looking at the entire picture regarding his future as a Laker, to ignore such a crucial factor is foolish.

With all that said, I still wouldn't seriously consider giving up on Bynum unless it was an absolute no-brainer. We have invested way, way too much in his development to cut him loose now, even with all the questions that still need to be answered.

To me, it all comes back to having a young, gifted 7-footer who for all his setbacks and question marks still oozes with potential. There simply aren't many of them around, and in my opinion you have to give them as many opportunities as possible, until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they aren't up to the task.

[microfib4thewin]

What's sad is that still, after so many years, we can't have a discussion without directly or indirectly attacking posters.

True, this discussion was obviously a touchy issue, as it is with any player of any value on our team. I do feel I wasted an terrible amount of time researching, presenting, and trying to have an objective discussion. I fear I haven't really influenced too many people to have an open mind about this, which is quite understandable.

But i will end with this, something that I've certainly been guilty of in the past, present, and will be in the future. I find it helps guide the way I have discussions and conversations.

Many times, the ideas that are most offensive to us are the ones we are most insecure about.

What I have learned is that most posters are so embraced in their own bias they are not going to change their mind no matter how much sense the counter-argument makes. When I make a response disagreeing with something, I am not doing it for the sake of changing their mind, but for the viewers who are neutral on the issue that doesn't know a whole lot about the topic in discussion. Just because the person you are talking to still disagrees with you doesn't mean the others aren't listening.

And when you post, you will always have my ears.

[Danny Darko]

I´ve never liked Bynum and i should never defend him.I´m sorry,but I would rather choose Ariza and Odom instead of AB17,first,he is not a good defender,in fact I think he is worst than the Gasol we saw in the last finals.On the low block he is a beast,a selfish beast,he just can´t pass,everytime he receives the ball he tries to attack the rim,no matter how many defenders are on his way to the basket,low IQ,faul troubles,two major injuries and a long-term contract.

If we trade him,perhaps we get some money and decent players on return,i´d do it in a heartbeat.Would you prefer the possibility of 6 rings if he becomes a beast like Shaq or Olajuwon,o the garanty of having 3 rings if we keep our core and some solid players?

Go La!

It comes off like you really just want Pau to be the main man because of your country allegiances.

I'd say we have to be willing to deal with the growth process Andrew has been going to because traditionally bigs can take a while to develop, we will need him to live up to his potential as Kobe ages or retires, and he was the youngest active player in the playoffs last year. It's just too early to write him off.

[Anklebreaker702]

the lakers will keep bynum if for no other reason - so that they dont become like the post-jordan bulls when kobe retires... by the time kobe retires, bynum will be coming into his own and then we can potentially build the team around him...

having a roster of amazing players is no guarantee for the championship... and who's to say that if we traded bynum for a couple of "amazing" players that we'd have any better of a chance?

+1

[Anklebreaker702]

I do feel I wasted an terrible amount of time researching, presenting, and trying to have an objective discussion.

I actually thought those were some of the best posts in this thread. Objectivity requires keeping an open mind about everything, and that means taking a fair and honest look at Andrew's history with injuries.

People can talk about the last two injuries being flukes as much as they want -- and I've been one of them -- but when you have trained specialists saying that Andrew's individual physiology might have contributed to them, that must be recognized and respected.

Doesn't mean they're right, or that Andrew won't go the next decade without missing more than a handful of games per season. At this point, we simply don't know. But when looking at the entire picture regarding his future as a Laker, to ignore such a crucial factor is foolish.

With all that said, I still wouldn't seriously consider giving up on Bynum unless it was an absolute no-brainer. We have invested way, way too much in his development to cut him loose now, even with all the questions that still need to be answered.

To me, it all comes back to having a young, gifted 7-footer who for all his setbacks and question marks still oozes with potential. There simply aren't many of them around, and in my opinion you have to give them as many opportunities as possible, until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they aren't up to the task.

Sedale, this was 1 of the best posts on this topic. Too many times posters run to numbers & they don't always tell the story. I didn't like the 1 about his hips are wide & he's knock kneed so blah blah blah. It almost reminds me of those bogus stats like "well black people run faster & jump higher because blah blah blah'. I hate crap like that!

Fact remains, numbers are numbers & production is production. All this isn't going to mean squat until Bynum shows us all no matter what side of the coin we have chosen. Someone is going to be right & someone is going to be wrong, PERIOD! I loved what you said about I wouldn't get rid of him unless it was a no brainer & there aren't many no brainers out there that would actually work.

[Anklebreaker702]

I´ve never liked Bynum and i should never defend him.I´m sorry,but I would rather choose Ariza and Odom instead of AB17,first,he is not a good defender,in fact I think he is worst than the Gasol we saw in the last finals.On the low block he is a beast,a selfish beast,he just can´t pass,everytime he receives the ball he tries to attack the rim,no matter how many defenders are on his way to the basket,low IQ,faul troubles,two major injuries and a long-term contract.

If we trade him,perhaps we get some money and decent players on return,i´d do it in a heartbeat.Would you prefer the possibility of 6 rings if he becomes a beast like Shaq or Olajuwon,o the garanty of having 3 rings if we keep our core and some solid players?

Go La!

It comes off like you really just want Pau to be the main man because of your country allegiances.

I'd say we have to be willing to deal with the growth process Andrew has been going to because traditionally bigs can take a while to develop, we will need him to live up to his potential as Kobe ages or retires, and he was the youngest active player in the playoffs last year. It's just too early to write him off.

Hope this post can be understood DD because it just makes too much sense.

[Dexmor]

We don't need to trade Bynum and his value is crap right now. They just need to buck up and pay Odom 9 million a year for 5 years. Odom is a Laker for life so give him the long contract. They can cut costs by not using the midlevel next year and selling our picks again next year and Ammo is coming off the books and then so is Sasha. Fisher only has a year left and then when it expires we resign him for about 2 min.

So basically we pay

C.Bynum we pay alot
PF.Gasol we pay
SF.Artest-Midlevel for now and hopefully for 5 years
SG.Kobe-Can't believe he took the max (should have taken less)
PG.Brown-Pay him about 3 million and that is highest we have to pay at pg

Then we pay Odom his 9 million which counts as the whole bench cause the rest of the bench we pay nothing to make up for it

Odom-9 million
DJ-1-2 mil?
Powell 2 mill?
Sun Yue 1.5 million
Fisher-2 million after this contract runs out
Koby Carl-we pick him up for 50 bucks
Sasha-He makes to much now but not for long

We package Morrison and Walton with Farmar and picks for expiring contracts.

This saves just as much money as trading Bynum. That is all the bench we need.