New biggest need Wing defensive stopper

[humblebum]

It's easy to say that the Celtics should go out and get a dime it's another to actually be able to do it. First off there are financial constraints. Then there are value constraints that restrict your ability to make trades. With a limited number of dimes out there it becomes a difficult proposition to acquire one, especially considering how much payroll the Celtics already have and their limited trade assets.

So the Celtics have Ray and Paul. Grant Hill is the guy they're adding to be that solid, consistent force behind them. Then they keep three bargain guys and see what shakes out. I don't have a problem with that personally, especially considering that Tony Allen is a veteran and when healthy he's proven he can be an overall positive contributor.

I'd love to move House frankly because he can't be relied on against good defenses focused on stopping him. But at the same time he contributes to chemistry and regular season wins which both have value. So you want to replace him, but the replacement has to be a clear improvement over him. Who's available at PG-SG who would be a definite improvement over House? Is that player available? Do the Celtics have the pieces to acquire him?

[GreenDreamer]

It's easy to say that the Celtics should go out and get a dime it's another to actually be able to do it. First off there are financial constraints. Then there are value constraints that restrict your ability to make trades. With a limited number of dimes out there it becomes a difficult proposition to acquire one, especially considering how much payroll the Celtics already have and their limited trade assets.

So the Celtics have Ray and Paul. Grant Hill is the guy they're adding to be that solid, consistent force behind them. Then they keep three bargain guys and see what shakes out. I don't have a problem with that personally, especially considering that Tony Allen is a veteran and when healthy he's proven he can be an overall positive contributor.

I'd love to move House frankly because he can't be relied on against good defenses focused on stopping him. But at the same time he contributes to chemistry and regular season wins which both have value. So you want to replace him, but the replacement has to be a clear improvement over him. Who's available at PG-SG who would be a definite improvement over House? Is that player available? Do the Celtics have the pieces to acquire him?

All that Tony has ever proven is that he is not very smart regarding teh game of basketball. He has proven to a be a liability. He is not good. He is dead money on the books.

I brought up the idea of Charlie Bell a few times, and he is, IMO, a clear improvement over House. He can actually play both positions, is taller, a better defender and ball handler and can still hit a jumper. What use is Eddie, in reality, if he can't get his shot off. That is pretty much what happened this last postseason. So we are rolling a little dude whose only real weapon isn't being used. That doesn't make him too valuable in my eyes.

Is Bell available? I think so. He haes playing for the Bucks, and they are all about next season's free agents. He is a vet who can help us and his contract is decent. 4 million a year for a guy who can play 25 minutes a agme for you, and be useful ALL of the time, is better than paying 2 million to this guy, and 3 million to that guy when those gusy are only useful SOME of the time.

I like Eddie, but he isn't what we need. Better to have someone who can play night in and night out.

[wigglestrue]

Any chance with Yao and Artest gone, the Rockets would consider moving Battier?

[BakersDozen]

Any chance with Yao and Artest gone, the Rockets would consider moving Battier?

probally.... but i dont think they would want anything we would be willing to give up.

[recruiter]

I'm surprised some of you guys are looking at TA as a reliable player... he's not. Always injured... a gimp, if I may say so... I like when he's out there, but he's not out there enough.

Mental gimp to boot. He's been reliable for what? Six games in six years? Beyond that, it's one mental mistake after the other. Let alone his bad judgment off the court.

Six years of TA is long enough. Get rid of him.

[wigglestrue]

Any chance with Yao and Artest gone, the Rockets would consider moving Battier?

probally.... but i dont think they would want anything we would be willing to give up.

Not in terms of player value, but we can trade our 2011 1st, no? That + expirings might do it.

[campybatman]

I want Battier via a trade, but a caller today on WEEI threw his name out and one of the hosts revealed that Houston really likes him. He isn't available... They'd felt it would require a lot for Boston to pry him away. I concur. He'll be traded only if the team desires to cut costs.

[Zin5]

Bring back Brandan Wallace!

Anyone even know what's happened to him over the past two years?

[wigglestrue]

Bring back Brandan Wallace!

Anyone even know what's happened to him over the past two years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Wallace

We waived Dahntay Jones, wow I don't remember that.

While we're on the subject of old prospective longshot wing defenders: Justin Reed?

[Zin5]

Bring back Brandan Wallace!

Anyone even know what's happened to him over the past two years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Wallace

We waived Dahntay Jones, wow I don't remember that.

While we're on the subject of old prospective longshot wing defenders: Justin Reed?

Brandon Wallace has signed with a Turkish team, according to close friend and ex-USC teammate Tre’ Kelley.

And that's the last we'll probably ever hear of him. Would like to know how he's doing, but oh well.

And yeah, we had Jones as a possible Tony Allen replacement, but he made us think he could still ball, so Jones was gone.

[chakdaddy]

Is TA even close to his listed 6'4"?

Nobody 6'4" shoud be playing forward unless their name is Adrian Dantley or Charles Barkley.

That goes for Giddens as well.

[Zin5]

Is TA even close to his listed 6'4"?

Nobody 6'4" shoud be playing forward unless their name is Adrian Dantley or Charles Barkley.

That goes for Giddens as well.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Allen-1487/

6'4.25" in shoes, 6'3.5" in socks, so yeah, solid 6'4".

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/J.R.-Giddens-74/

Giddens is closer to 6'5" and has a longer wingspan. I'd say Giddens has the size to do it in spurts. Perimeter D on most SFs, doesn't require size as much as it does defensive fundamentals, athleticism, and effort.

Also, I'd love to move TA/Scal for Posey. Yes, it's very short sighted and hurts us capwise in a few years, but it helps us now, in our window and frees up another roster spot.

[sully00]

I still think all of the emphasis on the defense at the wing position is overrated. The team was better defensively without Posey until KG went down. Pierce and Tony Allen are better man to man defender than James Posey. What we ended up missing from Posey, and it was actually only really relevant when Scal went down, was his offense. The ability to kill the corner 3 at the pf position as well as his ability to do some things offensively off the dribble.

Hill isn't Posey defensively but he isn't nearly the liability people are making him out to be. None of the options mentioned are better defenders than TA and most aren't better defenders than Hill. But most importantly Pierce needs help with the offensive load not playing defense and that is were TA has let us down.