Artest/Ariza Info

[semi-sentient]

Hey Semi-Sentient, what happened to your spinny face avatar?

Hmmm, I must have inadvertently removed it from my website. I didn't realize that it wasn't displaying until you mentioned it as I have avatars and sigs turned off. Re-added it.

[moofs]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=431028

Wow, even more attitude about the guy changed. That's fairly well impressive.

[tha_rock220]

Houston has a terrible offensive system and Artest was forced into a role that he will never have to play in LA.

The triangle will exploit his size advantage. He'll get more open shots than he has ever seen in his entire career.

Comparing Adelman to Phil Jackson is pretty laughable man. The timeouts won't be needed with Fisher and Kobe on the court since they are basically player/coaches at this point in their careers. Believe me, Artest won't out-Alpha male Kobe Bryant in the offense. Not if he actually wants to stay on the cout and be a significant contributor to a title. He will do what Phil/Kobe says and won't be that difficult. Give all your effort to the defensive side of the ball and the offense will come to you. I guarantee you Artest will not be expecting to take 15 shots a game like everywhere else he's been in his career.

You're laughable. How often do you think Artest is going to run the triangle as opposed to just doing his own thing. The dude is a ballstop. Maybe Kobe and Jackson can reign him in, but if they don't it might be tough for L.A.

[moofs]

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/ ... for-ariza/

[TMU]

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/artest-for-ariza/

Trevor Ariza:
2008-09: 0.192 WP48
2007-08: 0.225 WP48
2006-07: 0.217 WP48

Shocking. It shows Trevor Ariza was't merely a product of the Lakers system.

[TonyMontana]

Funny how you guys praised Artest all season and specially in the playoffs, but now he cant be controlled or he cant be coached. Well the same was being said about Ariza and his game. He has no jumpshot, he's a slasher, he plays average D, and peps are citicizing P.J as a coach, yet look at Ariza now. Imagine if P.J can do that with Ariza, what can he do with Artest........... make him an ALLSTAR????

[LakersSquad]

Ariza is one of the fastest SFs He can defend PGs like Parker & sometimes does a good job on CP3. When ever yao makes it back he'll knock down open jumpers. Ariza is a great role player for a contending team.

[moofs]

Funny how you guys praised Artest all season and specially in the playoffs, but now he cant be controlled or he cant be coached. Well the same was being said about Ariza and his game. He has no jumpshot, he's a slasher, he plays average D, and peps are citicizing P.J as a coach, yet look at Ariza now. Imagine if P.J can do that with Ariza, what can he do with Artest........... make him an ALLSTAR????

Not I, sir. I've been on record since well before the 2008 trade deadline as stating Artest would do almost EXACTLY what he did here. A lot of our board said "he's played for Adelman" and "Adelman will keep him under control now", which is what you're now saying about him, and to which I say "good luck with that". If he can do it, I'll be thoroughly impressed. And that's not to say that it wasn't impossible to have been done here had we actually had the team we planned to have, but tendencies and instincts are a hard biscuit to chew.

(Also, according to WS/48, Ariza got slightly less efficient under P.J., maybe he'll bounce back )

[Cookin Baskets]

Artest has only played one season in Houston, had deal with t-mac injured all year then Yao goes down in the playoffs. At those times he had to carry the team on offense and forced some poor shots. He will fit in better in L.A with Kobe,Gasol,Odom,Bynum and the triangle offense. It is shame what is going on with rockets T-Mac,Yao could of have been special duo in the nba. It looks they will never have a chance to really play healthy together.

[stockmarketgod]

I have been down on Artest, but part of the problem was he was forced into a #2 option role when Tmac turned Vag... I remember when we got artest... most of us viewed the signing as our defense just got tougher...

the Lakers fans may think we are bagging on artest because, he signed with another team, but lets face it most of us kinda figured he was going to leave us, once he signed on in the first place, and if Tmac had not gone down mid season he probably would have been traded, probably Tmac too...

but I think he will play within the team system with the lakers.. Kobe and Pau will be the guys demanding the ball,

as for Ariza...

im looking at this year as the one before the 2010 sweepstakes anyways...

[stockmarketgod]

Funny how you guys praised Artest all season and specially in the playoffs, but now he cant be controlled or he cant be coached. Well the same was being said about Ariza and his game. He has no jumpshot, he's a slasher, he plays average D, and peps are citicizing P.J as a coach, yet look at Ariza now. Imagine if P.J can do that with Ariza, what can he do with Artest........... make him an ALLSTAR????

umm... most were waiting for Artest to blow up in our faces...

and if you were watching the playoff game logs, most of us were beggin for Artest to pass the friken ball, to someone other that Brooks, and to basically stop shooting in the 4th.

granted he did help win us a few playoff games...

but like I said before he was our Tmac for this year, superstar for 1 game, and shoot us out of the next 2 games.

I want Tmac gone too for that reason...

Yao the injury prone, clumsey Oaf, may have had a few low scoring games.. but atleast he was 4 for 6
rather than 4 for 26

[moofs]

I have been down on Artest, but part of the problem was he was forced into a #2 option role when Tmac turned Vag... I remember when we got artest... most of us viewed the signing as our defense just got tougher...

Geez yes. I remember immediately saying "our offense will likely get slightly worse, but our defense... if we're healthy our defense is going to be one of the most ridiculously lockdown beasts of a defense the NBA's ever seen. NO LAYUPS!" (pretty sure I even said it before our marketing did - publicly at least)

Not quite right on that one. It was still good, but (for Lakers fans, since I've said it plenty here) Artest's defense very much underwhelmed me. Yes, we didn't have McGrady's or particularly Battier's defense, or Mutombo, and Dorsey didn't develop any, and Hayes couldn't play as much with McGrady out, but Artest's D was still a shining beacon of whoa-damn-he's-dropped-offedness, mostly in the area of foot speed.

Last year's team wasn't as good as 2007-2008's, imo. McGrady and Artest played about the same number of games between the two, but Yao missed 20something more games. I don't know what our record without Yao was, but wouldn't have been surprised if we'd been able to win 60 games that year if he hadn't gone down.

p.s. our 1971-72 logo is the biggest piece of crap i've ever seen