Celts Front Office Slow on Sign & Trade

[Jammer]

The OP doesn't seem to understand that a sign and trade involves the other team wanting something in return. PHX doesn't want TA or Scal. They're trying to cut payroll and rebuild. They don't want to take on our crap just so that Grant Hill has the privilege of making some more dough.

The last post on the bottom of page 1 gives 4 possible destinations for Celtic players,
with no player coming back to Boston,
where the receiving team would send the Celtics a pick or cash for the players they receive,
because they are under the cap.

Other teams that are not under the cap, but that have trade exceptions,
could be used to send a player, in return for a pick or cash,
with that pick or cash then being made part of an S&T for Grant Hill (non-simultaneous trade).

Either way, this completes a 3 way Sign and Trade to Get Hill a contract better than the LLE.

Simultaneously, Phoenix walks away with a pick or cash for giving Hill the S&T.

[Kefa461]

Maybe you are confusing slow to do to not wanting to do.......

[Jammer]

Maybe you are confusing slow to do to not wanting to do.......

Interesting thought.

I find, with all the comments about the Celtics hating paying luxury tax,
it ironic that they carried 15 players 2 years in a row when only 13 are required.

Assuming that the owners detest the luxury tax,
keeping Tony Allen, Giddens and Walker seems unnecessary, you would think 2 would suffice;

as would a choice between Gabe Pruitt and Lester Hudson.

I really find it hard to justify that they keep all 5 of those players, when 3 would
be more than enough for a deep bench.

Yesterday, the Celtics summer league team
featuring Pruitt, Hudson, Giddens, (Walker DNP-CD) and former
NBA players Robert Swift (#12 pick), Mike Sweetney (#9 pick), Nick Fazekas and Coby Karl

lost by 3 points to an Orlando team full of Who????? That !

If the Celtics carry more than 13 players, I think it's time that management
stops crying about the luxury tax.

[GuyClinch]

Wait so we are complaining that the C's carry too many people and lost to a SL team? Your being obtuse. Those guys on the end of the bench go for peanuts and SL coaches ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN. They are trying to scout talent. Often times they put players out of their element just to see how they would do.

As for Hill I never really liked him. But he is a nice fit for our team. Unlike say Matt Barnes he has a complete game and knows how to play well in both a motion and flex offense. Barnes really needs a simplified uptempo offense to be semi-useful, IMHO. He is an energy low BBIQ guy.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Geez, if Danny Ainge found a way to trade for Lebron James this season, you'd get the feeling that some people here would complain about the Cs being too cheap to trade for Bosh and D-Wade too. Other than the Raps board, the Cs board has the most whiners.

Why piss away expiring contracts and young players now when Grant Hill hasn't even officially signed with anyone? We can utitlize those assets near the trading deadline when everyone will be in a panic to clear cap space.

And let's face it - Hill would be nice to have on the roster, but if he signs with the Knicks or the Suns, I'm pretty sure none of us will lose any sleep over it. Neither team is a contender. You should be happy that we signed Sheed and kept him away from Orlando, Cleveland and San Antonio. The Cs got stronger while preventing the other contenders to bolster their rosters even further.

It's summertime. Go outside and have a beer.

[billfromBoston]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

"Rasheed is going to Orlando." -nuff said

[elrod enchilada]

BfB--

If the deal for Hill falls through, what woudl you make of this S&T?

Boston signs Marvin Williams to a five year deal starting at $7 million per annum.

Boston trades Scal, TA, cash and and 2010 #1 pick to Atlanta in S&T.

Why Atlanta? Don't want to commit big bucks to Williams and will lose him in 2010 otherwise. Need cap relief to cover Joe Johnson next year and Al Horford in 2011. With Crawford deal, less need for Marvin. So save mucho money and get a no. 1 pick in good draft year.

Why Boston? Get a solid prospect, only 23. Apparently great attitude, can be molded by vets. Gives the Cs a very nice core of Perk, Rondo, Williams to build around. A classic big 3 who can play some 4. May plateau here but has lots of upside.

[BillessuR6]

BfB--

If the deal for Hill falls through, what woudl you make of this S&T?

Boston signs Marvin Williams to a five year deal starting at $7 million per annum.

Boston trades Scal, TA, cash and and 2010 #1 pick to Atlanta in S&T.

Why Atlanta? Don't want to commit big bucks to Williams and will lose him in 2010 otherwise. Need cap relief to cover Joe Johnson next year and Al Horford in 2011. With Crawford deal, less need for Marvin. So save mucho money and get a no. 1 pick in good draft year.

Why Boston? Get a solid prospect, only 23. Apparently great attitude, can be molded by vets. Gives the Cs a very nice core of Perk, Rondo, Williams to build around. A classic big 3 who can play some 4. May plateau here but has lots of upside.

Well, we can`t sign Williams only ATL can and then trade him to us for nothing but crap. Seriously, this is so bad for ATL that it is hard to put it in words...

[kakopedi1]

BfB--

If the deal for Hill falls through, what woudl you make of this S&T?

Boston signs Marvin Williams to a five year deal starting at $7 million per annum.

Boston trades Scal, TA, cash and and 2010 #1 pick to Atlanta in S&T.

Why Atlanta? Don't want to commit big bucks to Williams and will lose him in 2010 otherwise. Need cap relief to cover Joe Johnson next year and Al Horford in 2011. With Crawford deal, less need for Marvin. So save mucho money and get a no. 1 pick in good draft year.

Why Boston? Get a solid prospect, only 23. Apparently great attitude, can be molded by vets. Gives the Cs a very nice core of Perk, Rondo, Williams to build around. A classic big 3 who can play some 4. May plateau here but has lots of upside.

THat would be a dream. We can do the same with Marion, less money & shorter contract.

[ParticleMan]

Marvin Williams is an interesting idea, if the owners are willing to cough up the lux tax money. I think it's at least fair, though I don't think it's a great deal for us to be paying Marvin 40mil or so.
And I hate to give up a 2010 draft pick... I suppose it would be worth it.

ATL would only do this is if Starvin Marvin wans't in their plans anyways, since they would pick up a 1st rounder next year and save cash.

[eris]

BfB--

If the deal for Hill falls through, what woudl you make of this S&T?

Boston signs Marvin Williams to a five year deal starting at $7 million per annum.

Boston trades Scal, TA, cash and and 2010 #1 pick to Atlanta in S&T.

Looks great for Boston...but...

1. The Hawks wouldn't go for that.

2. The Celtics didn't have a 1st round pick in 2009, so they (by league rules) *must* have one in 2010. If they trade away their pick (a) they will have to trade to get one back (b), and the C's better do (b) before doing (a) or they'll put themselves in a bind.

3. My opinion, but I still think Danny is looking to grab a superstar (going to be) FA in 2010 or 2011. It's probably not going to be from "cap space", probably going to have to be a "sign and trade" scenario. Spending "chips" *now* for Williams means less/no chips later for the superstar. Concentrating your "chips" like this makes sense *on the court* (like R Allen and KG have), but not as *trading* pieces.

4. Williams might end up being worth a 44 million / 5 yr contract, but its a stretch right now and it *does* go beyond Danny's self-proclaimed "2 year window."

and

5. The Hawks wouldn't do it, anyway.

[SeizeCoup]

The Grant Hill of this past season would be a perfect fit for this team. He did a lot of things that didn't show up in the box score. My only major concern is his ability to stay healthy for a full season. I don't have a huge amount of confidence in our health staff, especially in comparison to the Suns. If healthy though, he could fill in the gaps perfectly, able to slide into a starting role if needs be.