Baby should try to get out of here.

[Hemingway]

I think we would all like it if we could keep him for one more year and then let him be an UFA, but the more I think about it the more I think that will be bad for him getting an eventual big pay day. As much as these playoffs showcased him, next year could be quite the opposite. If Perk, KG and Sheed are healthy come playoffs, Baby is likely not in the rotation. Say we have Sheed Hill and Marbury on the bench(or replace Hill and Marbs with 2 others) that is a solid 8 man rotation. House can come in for spot minutes and when we need shooting. What does that leave Baby? Also, he might have to fight it out against Powe yet again by the end of the season. After all that, who is going to give him much more than the Min? And being young the vet min is not that much.

[humblebum]

Well in terms of Davis' individual career it's going to be tough for him to come back to Boston. I highly doubt there will be a big payday awaiting Davis after next season if he signs the QO and becomes an unrestricted FA. There is still the possibility that he works out a longer-term club friendly deal with the Celtics this offseason because the grass isn't looking so green on the other side of things.

And with two aging bigs and Perk's shoulder issues, Davis will likely be looking at a bigger role than might be expected. Add in plenty of blowouts and extra rest for KG/Sheed and Davis' role starts to look a bit bigger even.

So although it doesn't appear that Davis will get a big payday by staying with Boston I never thought it was really likely he was going to get one this offseason. He's a solid player, but he has some definite limitations and questions surrounding his conditioning and size. That's not the type of player that people break the bank for.

[ParticleMan]

Of course that would be bad for him. He's not going to get a bigger payday as a UFA than an RFA, since he's a below-MLE player anyways.

But it would be good for us.

And it's not like BBD has a choice. He has to get an offer, and we have the right to match. If he doesn't get an offer we get him at the QO. If he does and it's low, we can still keep him. There's nothing Baby can do at this point other than to try to get a big offer, which I'm sure his agent is trying hard to do.

[Dave_From_NB]

Cap going down next year, I don't think it is in the cards for Davis to get a big contract no matter what happens this season. If I was his agent, I'd set him up on a 2 or 3 year contract for whatever he could get from the Celts, and try to put him into UFA at a point where the cap is going up again.

[sully00]

My guess would be that because the QO is so small, if he doesn't get a sheet and Boston isn't willing to give him a decent contract he may go overseas. What is he really giving up?

He may also get an offer sheet that just makes it really unfriendly for Boston to match. Front loaded and with a player option in two years, so Boston is forced to pay 5.6 mil for this season and then his deal goes down but he can opt out the next year so you would likely only have while you have Wallace which isn't really the point.

[I love heinsohn]

If Baby is stuck with the QO, I think DA would be willing to give him something like 4 years, $12 million. It would then be a gamble for Big Baby to shoot for UFA next year or take the financial security at a team friendly contract for the next few years.

For the Celtics that contract starts at $2.6 million. You firm up the 4th big man spot and tie up Baby for about $6.5 million over the last two years of the deal (once Sheed is gone). Could also be decent insurance in case Perk leaves after 2010-2011...

[MVP16]

If Baby is stuck with the QO, I think DA would be willing to give him something like 4 years, $12 million. It would then be a gamble for Big Baby to shoot for UFA next year or take the financial security at a team friendly contract for the next few years.

For the Celtics that contract starts at $2.6 million. You firm up the 4th big man spot and tie up Baby for about $6.5 million over the last two years of the deal (once Sheed is gone). Could also be decent insurance in case Perk leaves after 2010-2011...

I wouldn't say that. If Perk leaves, then we would need to acquire another center. There's no way Big Baby will replace Perk as the starting center or you will be in huge trouble.

[Hemingway]

Baby should look to sign something that gives him years with player options in exchange for not getting the big money he wants. That way if we match or dont the ball is is in his court in terms of free agency.

[Dave_From_NB]

If Baby is stuck with the QO, I think DA would be willing to give him something like 4 years, $12 million. It would then be a gamble for Big Baby to shoot for UFA next year or take the financial security at a team friendly contract for the next few years.

For the Celtics that contract starts at $2.6 million. You firm up the 4th big man spot and tie up Baby for about $6.5 million over the last two years of the deal (once Sheed is gone). Could also be decent insurance in case Perk leaves after 2010-2011...

I wouldn't say that. If Perk leaves, then we would need to acquire another center. There's no way Big Baby will replace Perk as the starting center or you will be in huge trouble.

I completely agree. I just don't see Davis as the Center on a championship team. If Perk is gone, either I want a good Center to go for the championship, or Mikki Moore (so we have a better chance at the lottery). I'm not sure there is much value trying to lock into players guaranteeing mediocre teams. Win big or lose big is better IMO than trying to sneak into 8'th spot.

[sully00]

While Davis isn't the ideal starter at the 4/5 slots his a capable enough player that if you were rock solid in the other 4 spots it might work. That is the value Davis has. While his value may be diminished by a lack of mins this year, I think he will continue to improve as a player and at less than 5mil a season he would be an asset.

The one thing I have kicked around in my head in the thread about getting a max salary player here in S&T. The one player on Boston whose trade value may be through the roof this season is Kendrick Perkins. Because not only is a really good player and defensive anchor he costs a little over 4 mil next season. As everyone has tried to package Rondo in trades with Ray to get another star, that is complicated by Rondo's own restricted FA and and cap hold. Would Miami move Wade for Perkins and a future 1st, or some of our young players, probably not. But it would leave them with Beasley/Perkins/Chalmers/Cook at a combined cap number of 12 mil bucks. Maybe the let Wade go but they add Joe Johnson and Amare.

If you have Baby in the fold it makes it easier to make this kind of move. As great as Rondo/Wade/Pierce/Garnett/Wallace would be the price is going to be kind of staggering so you will need very good affordable options on the bench.

I am not advocating dealing Perk but if it gets Wade, LeBron, or Chris Paul I might have to listen.

[cfan79]

I don't think he'll be willing to accept his role with us. He'll sign with another team if they promise him a ton of minutes.

We should treat him like a dog with rabies and shoo him away. Even though we'd be crying and he would too while we said it. "Get outta here Baby. I don't love you anymore."

[Dave_From_NB]

While Davis isn't the ideal starter at the 4/5 slots his a capable enough player that if you were rock solid in the other 4 spots it might work. That is the value Davis has. While his value may be diminished by a lack of mins this year, I think he will continue to improve as a player and at less than 5mil a season he would be an asset.

Rondo, Perk, Pierce, Ray Allen - I'm not sure we can expect to be any more rock solid at the other 4 spots than that. 2'nd round loss.

[Frank Lucas]

I disagree, first I think there are minutes on this team for BBD. Right now all we have is Perk, KG and Wallace. We need one more big and Davis would be prefect. I actually think this is a good thing that Davis hasn't sign with anyone yet. I have a strong feeling he will end up being a celtic next season and Ithink it one reason the Cs are looking at small forward/PG types because they know Davis has a chance of coming back to the team at a salary number good for them. Who cares if it's good situation for the Davis? All I know is Davis will play his butt off if he does come back on a one year deal.

[sully00]

While Davis isn't the ideal starter at the 4/5 slots his a capable enough player that if you were rock solid in the other 4 spots it might work. That is the value Davis has. While his value may be diminished by a lack of mins this year, I think he will continue to improve as a player and at less than 5mil a season he would be an asset.

Rondo, Perk, Pierce, Ray Allen - I'm not sure we can expect to be any more rock solid at the other 4 spots than that. 2'nd round loss.

And Glen Davis' 16ppg were the reason right? Oh no that is right Glen Davis was the reason we got to game 7 almost forget that.

Brilliant.

I was thinking more like Rondo/Wade/PIerce/KG/Davis.

[Dave_From_NB]

While Davis isn't the ideal starter at the 4/5 slots his a capable enough player that if you were rock solid in the other 4 spots it might work. That is the value Davis has. While his value may be diminished by a lack of mins this year, I think he will continue to improve as a player and at less than 5mil a season he would be an asset.

Rondo, Perk, Pierce, Ray Allen - I'm not sure we can expect to be any more rock solid at the other 4 spots than that. 2'nd round loss.

And Glen Davis' 16ppg were the reason right? Oh no that is right Glen Davis was the reason we got to game 7 almost forget that.

Brilliant.

I was thinking more like Rondo/Wade/PIerce/KG/Davis.

No, I'm not blaming Davis at all, the guy played his best, and the team didn't get it done. Your point seemed to be that put Davis with 4 good players, we can win a championship. My point was, it's already been proven that we can't. You can randomly pluck in unattainable players like Wade I suppose, but in 2011/2012 KG and Pierce are going to be shadows of their present selfs, and I really don't see that team at that time getting it done either.

[Joekickass2008]

Wiretap has MdDysse signing with the spurs for 2 years.....Davis's suitors are getting fewer and further between....If Orlando aren't keen....then he needs to decide does he want the chance to play for a ring...or the chance at more minutes and cash elsewhere.

[Fencer reregistered]

Davis is a career #3 big, realistically. On the Cs he'll be #4 big, but behind two guys who are aging and one who has shoulder issues and a big payday coming up. If he takes an intermediate-term contract that guarantees him >$10 million over the life of the contract, that's not a bad situation for him. In particular, it's better than he's apt to get overseas.

I don't think he really will have a viable chance to leave. But he can get decent money from the Cs, either by truly getting another offer or by settling with them under the threat of doing so.

[GuyClinch]

He has to get another offer to do better then the QO no? I don't think he is worth 10 million..

[Jammer]

First, if Davis signs a contract with another team, and the Celtics co-sign,
the contract becomes one between Davis and the Celtics. That's what restricted FA is.

Davis doesn't have to take the $1 million qualifying offer and become unrestricted.

He's free to sign a multi-year deal with the Celtics this summer.

Davis would get 14 mpg or so, and more if either Perk, KG or Sheed is out.

The Celtics need 5 active Bigs, and since Scal is worse than Davis,
and Davis improved immeasurably from April on,
I think the Celtics are right to want him back.

I think the fear is that with his weight situation no team may want to offer
more than a 3 year contract.

I'm hoping that the Celtics can keep him, and with the announcement of the
cap reduction for the 2011 season, that may make teams more reluctant to commit to him.

Detroit won't have the cap room considering they still have draft picks to sign.
And New Orleans may want to, but their salary situation is horrific after years of
offering 5 year MLE deals to guys like Morris Peterson and James Posey,
on top of David West, Tyson Chandler, Chris Paul and Stokajovic.

[GuyClinch]

Davis doesn't have to take the $1 million qualifying offer and become unrestricted.

I suppose he doesn't HAVE to take the offer but I mean if no one else is offering anything.. <g>