Tom Moore 2.0

[UptownPhilly]

Next to Iguodala, Young is our most valuable asset. That's what any team would realistically ask for if they're giving one of their best players.

What type of moves would you like to see us make? I personally think we need to make a move for Bosh/Amare(although it's about a 1% chance of that happening). That would be a start, and we'd have a while to continue building this team with one of those two + Iguodala and the cast.

[Westbrook36ptII]

You can't be serious dude. This organization is cheap? They just spent 80 million on Brand and Iguodala a summer ago and are over the cap every year almost. Ed Snider has paid like 50 coaches for not even being here.

There is no market for Sammy. Why did Randolph get traded? Because he's a 20 and 10 guy. Plain and simple. Dalembert sucks and everyone knows this. No one is going to take on his 10 million plus a 3.5ish mil trade kicker for money that doesn't come close to meeting his production.

Do you honestly think there is a market for Willie Green, who adds nothing to a team or Jason Smith who makes no money and is coming off a blown out knee? Cmon dude.

[ryst]

i belive that there is a market for any player in the NBA

you just have to find the right deal and you have to work hard.
teams who want to get rid of players always do it, they find a deal that works, thats just how it is.
the sixers are unable to get rid of Dalembert(after they made the call that they dont want him anymore) is to me means the people in charge are doing a terrible job.

the sixers are not cheap, but they have a certion figure they wont go over and thats it , no matter what is the benefit to the team.
lets face it , teams who are doing well and contend spend a lot of money , they go over the tax and do anything they can to win, the sixers are not doing it.

[Westbrook36ptII]

Ok, you are right. Sammy can be traded. If you want to take on a worse talent with a worse contract. Yes, then he could be traded.

But you are angry that they aren't improving the team. So how would dealing Sammy for a worse talent and a worse contract improve the team?

[The Sixer Fixer]

I love reading all these posts about people crying that we aren't making moves. What freakin moves do you want the team to make? We have virtually no money at all to spend. You want us to go out and use the MLE on some average to below average player? You know what that will produce....that will produce a contact that everyone will bitch about 2-3 years from now saying "why the F did we sign this guy to a 4-5 yr deal for X amount..."

You know those contacts of Willie Green and Lou Williams are classic examples of this. That's the level of player you are looking at that is available with the $$ we can spend.

If they go out and give a contract of more than 2 yrs to one of the scrubs out there to be a bench filler I will be freakin pissed. Everyone says we need bench filler....you now what..WE ALREADY HAVE BENCH FILLER!! Their names are Willie Green, Lou Williams, Kapono, Jason Smith Speights, etc. There is absolutely no point in adding players who aren't a SIGNIFICANT upgrade to those guys. You are way better off saving the future cap room in hopes of adding an impact player the year Willie and Sam expire. If we spend it now, I can hear everyone now complaining that we signed X player 2 years ago and now we have no money to go after an impact player.

This teams biggest need is PG and besides Miller there is no one who is worth spending $$ on. Sure everyone wants Miller to Portland for Blake (which would be ideal since he only hasd 1 yr left) but if Portland isn't interested there is nothing Ed can do about it.

Ed has the right plan...don't commit to long term deals with any non-impact FA. Don''t give into Miller's demands (unlike last year when he did with Iguodala and made a mistake IMO). Don't trade away any of the core young guys for a short term gain that won't get us a championship shot. And don't trade Brand because you will need him in a couple years when you hope it all comes together with patience and wise spending.

[sixerswillrule]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazer ... or_ut.html

If this happens, could they then go for that Miller S&T?

[Westbrook36ptII]

Apparently there is some type of Sammy and Willie Green package out there where we can get some impact player, but the Sixers are just refusing to pull the trigger.

If any team called the Sixers and offered anything legit for Sammy and Willie, then Ed wouldn't drive them to the airport, he'd carry them both on piggyback across state borders to get there.

[ryst]

Ok, you are right. Sammy can be traded. If you want to take on a worse talent with a worse contract. Yes, then he could be traded.

But you are angry that they aren't improving the team. So how would dealing Sammy for a worse talent and a worse contract improve the team?

team find the way to get the players they want, thats what teams do.

it doesnt have to be a worse player with a worse contract , a good GM find the right deal.

take Dallas , i dont care if many of us think they made mistakes , that can be argued.
but the thingis that they had there targets this off season and they got it , they wanted to resign Kidd and they did , and they wanted to sign Marion and they did, that is a team who had a plan(right or wrong , time will tell) to get players and they just did it.
i took Dallas because thats another team who have no room under the cap but they find a way to sign the players and trade for the players they are after.

according to the media and insiders the sixers plan this summer was to replace Miller with a decent player or better and to trade Dalembert , how is that working for them?
they just cant do it because they are not good enough in what they are being paid to do.

[Westbrook36ptII]

Dallas is a team on the brink of contending. The Sixers are not. If you really want the Sixers to go nutso and sign players and make all kinds of crazy deals for players with big contracts, you are going to be immensely disappointed. That is clearly not their goal right now. They are looking to add a piece here or there, but build slowly, build correctly, and build for the future while developing the young talent on the roster.

[The Sixer Fixer]

take Dallas , i dont care if many of us think they made mistakes , that can be argued.
but the thingis that they had there targets this off season and they got it , they wanted to resign Kidd and they did , and they wanted to sign Marion and they did, that is a team who had a plan(right or wrong , time will tell) to get players and they just did it.
i took Dallas because thats another team who have no room under the cap but they find a way to sign the players and trade for the players they are after.

While Dallas didn't have much cap room, they did have a player making a lot of money who could be bought out for a lot less than what his trade salary is. Who do the Sixers have that fits the Stackhouse profile contract wise. Do you really think that someone wants Stackhouse at his salary?? Hell no, he was only tradeable because he can be bought out for such a small amount.

[ryst]

Dallas agreed to pay Memphis 2 million $ to buy out stackhouse contract
the sixers could have done the same with Dalembert trade kicker who according to many people was a real problem dealing with teams who wanted Dalembert but didnt want to pay the trade kicker.

as i said, teams are getting the players they want all the time despite the same issues the sixers are facing this summer.
thats what i mean when i say the sixers dont want to pay , they will not go over the top in order to contend,in order to get better
teams who want to get better find ways, they dont leave any rock unturned, they do anything they can and usualy they get what they want.

i dont feel the sixers are doing it.

[psykosacul]

i belive that there is a market for any player in the NBA

You might believe it, but the people who report on the nba do not.

Misinelli reported a couple months ago that his source said all 29 teams denied having interest in dalembert. So before a deal was even on the table, teams were shaking their heads. Jody Mac gave similar comments regarding other teams when he talked about the likely hood of us being able to move sam. We also just heard the report about how the rockets... a team who's tallest player is what?... 6'9?? Did not have interest in sam.

I understand your frustration about other teams making moves, but it doesnt mean that we aren't trying to do things.

1. Randolph can be move because he produces. Sam does not.
2. The spurs got jefferson because they have ending contracts. We do not.
3. The lakers got artest because they were champions. We were not.
4. The celtics got sheed because they were champions. We were not.
5. The magic got carter because they had ending contracts and a promising rookie. We do not.
6. The mavs got marion because they had an ending contract. We do not.
7. Ariza went to the rockets because they needed a SF. We do not.
8. The wizards got Foye and Miller because they had the No. 5 draft pick. We did not.

[ryst]

ofcourse that a source wthin the sixers will say that all 29 teams turned down Sam or that no one wants him
what do you want them to do? to come out and say that they are not good enough or not talneted enough to run an NBA team?

we have seen players with less production,worse contracts then Sam traded all the time in the last 15 years
lets not make Sam the worse player or the worse contract in the history of the NBA(or Wille Green for that matter)

its true, Dalembert has a bad contract and is not doing enough on the court, that doesnt mean nothing,many players with the same problems get traded all the time.

but if you combine those problems with a GM who cant make a move becaue he is scared or an owner who wont go the extra mile because he doesnt want to spend more money thats what you get.

inept front office who cant even trade a player , not even talking about building a contender.
Stefanski was hired to be a GM, part of the job is be able to make trades and sign players even in tough times and bad situations , but he cant do it , he cant do his job properly.

[psykosacul]

ofcourse that a source wthin the sixers will say that all 29 teams turned down Sam or that no one wants him

Why did the rockets turn him down?

[ryst]

we dont know what kind of deal was on the table and what did the rockets turn down if they did.

[psykosacul]

but if you combine those problems with a GM who cant make a move becaue he is scared or an owner who wont go the extra mile because he doesnt want to spend more money thats what you get.

inept front office who cant even trade a player , not even talking about building a contender.
Stefanski was hired to be a GM, part of the job is be able to make trades and sign players even in tough times and bad situations , but he cant do it , he cant do his job properly.

not that fact, or logic sways you in anyway... but the kapono trade was something ed stefanski "pulled off" and obviously wasnt "scared" to do, and added 2.9 million to our salary cap over the next two years that our owner now has to pay.

[UptownPhilly]

The Rockets turned Dalembert down because he sucks, and is proven at doing so. He'd also be coming off the bench making $23 mil for the next two seasons. It would be a bad move for them to trade for him.

[The Sixer Fixer]

its true, Dalembert has a bad contract and is not doing enough on the court, that doesnt mean nothing,many players with the same problems get traded all the time.

Show me the player with a horrible contract like Sam's (salary/years/trade kicker) that got moved and netted the team trading away the bad contract something good. That's your challeneg if you think it's so easy to pull off and it happens all the time. I'd be curious to see the names you come up with. And don't give me Zach because he went to a team that had a major need for what he offers and he will help guys like Mayo, Conley and Gay a ton by opening up the court for them. Teams just don't want a guy like Sam who produces nothing with that huge contract and doesn't make anyone around him better by commanding the D's attention. Oh and I don't think teams are allowed to pay the trade kicker to help facilitate a deal. And why would we want to anyhow? You want to take back like 14 million in bad salaries just to get rid of him? I don't. If you don't have a replacement for him (defensively) then you can't just unload him for bad players/contracts at other positions.

The only time you really see a bad contract/player moved for something decent is when the bad player/contract is an expiring one. Sam does not fit thagt description, but he will after next year so why unload him now for pennies on the dollar when you might get much more in the future (and if you don't you just dump the contract all together)?

[bebopdeluxe]

Good job by you, Sixer Fixer, in this thread...

As rough as I have been on Stefanski on these boards lately, I think that he is doing the right thing by being patient and waiting for the asking prices to come down, not only for Miller but for everybody. I do think that we will be able to pick up one or two players that will help later this suimmer at reasonable prices. Carney says he wants more than the 4th year minimum? We'll see if somebody offers it to him...

And as I have said, I am OK if it is Lou and Jrue at the point...I am willing to go through a season of having this team take their lumps and grow up together. If that is the plan, I will just NEVER let Stefanski off the hook for the decisions he and DiLeo made after Brand went down....we would be SO much further along in getting this roster where it needs to be if we had done things differently back in February. I just hope that Tom Moore (and others in the media) holds Stefanski accountable for those decisions.

[Louis Williams]

Bebop,

I haven't signed in for quite some time, but since the draft I have been lurking.

I've heard you complain about Stefanski not giving playing time to the young players after Brand went down. I just wanted to chime in.

After Brand went down and Dileo began coaching, the Sixers started to win. Would it be prudent to throw rookies in there, or put your best team out there and see exactly how far they could go? Iggy, Young, and Miller all raised their game. The defense was better. The Sixers were back to playing their signature, open court style of ball. They were competing for the fourth seed up until the last couple weeks of the season.

I don't know how the team would have responded putting a rookie out there in the midst of a playoff run. Speights hadn't proved anything. He played well in spurts, but was inconsistent and couldn't be relied on. Evans, while limited offensively, consistently brought energy and toughness every night. Of course Evans wasn't the long term answer, but during a playoff run, you are looking for consistency.

I can't really fault the brass for putting in the players who were consistent. If this was a lottery team, playing for nothing, I can see playing the young guys. But not a playoff team.

Just my opinion.