Jazz should keep both Hinrich and Thomas

[finnegan]

There seems to be some serious flaws in the logic with the proposed Boozer trade.

1. The Jazz trade Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas, so that
2. The Jazz can give Hinrich to Portland for essentiually nothing,
2. So that Portland does not make an offer to Millsap.

Sounds (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to me.

The only compelling reason to do this is so that the Jazz can underpay Millsap. Other than possible salary cap considerations, I can't think of any other possible reason for giving Hinrich to Portland.

If the Jazz were to respond -- "We are willing to pay Paul his market value." (which I assume would be the $7.9 million that Portland can offer him)

The the solution is pretty simple:

1. Cut Portland out of the deal entirely, and trade Boozer straight across for Hinrich and Thomas.
2. Let Portland make Milsap an offer and the Jazz match it.

Some may say that the Jazz do not need another PG, but Hinrich seems to be more of a SG anyway. A combination of Deron and Hinrich on the floor, which Sloans style of play, sounds pretty compelling to me.

I just think that it is silly for the Jazz to pay the "hush money" to Portland (to not make an offer to Milsap), when he is an RFA, and the relationship is good enough that Milsap will likely sign and extension with the Jazz anyway.

On the other hand, it seems ridiculoius for the Jazz to give a very talented player like Hinrich to Portalnd, just so that Portland won't make an offer to Milsap. Its called the free market gentlemen and it is like swimming up river to try and control it.

May sound ridiculous, but if the Jazz want to make a serious run, Hinrich could make a difference. He is a serious 3pt threat, god ball handling skills, and a solid defender.

[DelaneyRudd]

Uh, there's already a thread for this rumor.

[Rerisen]

I thought the idea of the three way was for the Jazz to save money? Of course if that isn't a concern you could go all out and take on Hinrich's deal and still sign Millsap, but I think it is a concern.

[slambamJazz]

The jazz should at least get a 2010 first rounder for Hinrich plus maybe Outlaw.I don't think Portland would give up Bayless or Rudy.

[Malapropism]

Isn't the whole point of the deal to save money for the Jazz? Trading Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas would make them spend even more money for this upcoming season.

[Marc]

Isn't the whole point of the deal to save money for the Jazz? Trading Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas would make them spend even more money for this upcoming season.

Hinrich is decent but overpaid. Why should the Blazers give more than their cap space, LOL.
There were members actually mad because Boozer decided to take the player option, 2nd LOL.
You should be happy if you end up with Tyrus Thomas + a TE.

[Malapropism]

Isn't the whole point of the deal to save money for the Jazz? Trading Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas would make them spend even more money for this upcoming season.

Hinrich is decent but overpaid. Why should the Blazers give more than their cap space, LOL.
There were members actually mad because Boozer decided to take the player option, 2nd LOL.
You should be happy if you end up with Tyrus Thomas + a TE.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Marc]

Isn't the whole point of the deal to save money for the Jazz? Trading Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas would make them spend even more money for this upcoming season.

Hinrich is decent but overpaid. Why should the Blazers give more than their cap space, LOL.
There were members actually mad because Boozer decided to take the player option, 2nd LOL.
You should be happy if you end up with Tyrus Thomas + a TE.

What the hell are you talking about?

Same as you but with more explanation, LOL.

[outerspacefella]

Hinrich's already owed more money than the cap space the Blazers have.
The question, financially wise, is a fair one: Why would Portland do it?
Basketball wise I'd love to see Hinrich in Utah, perfect fit, darn good competitive Jazz-like player.

[Soul Patch]

What an obnoxious way to post, LOL.

I'd prefer dealing with another eastern team instead of Portland. However, I'd do just about anything to keep Millsap.

[Paper Face]

I think the only reasons the Jazz would get involved with Portland is to save money and to get them to toss in a good shooting wing, of which they have a bunch. If they can swing Thomas and Outlaw, then they shore up their shooting and maintain trade flexibility with TT's 4.7 million expiring contract.

I agree, however, that the Jazz should go after Hinrich themselves. He would be awesome as a combo guard playing with Deron and Brew. Cutting out the Blazers altogether would be preferable.

[hoops4life]

First Where have you been? I haven't seen a post from you in a long time.

Second I wouldn't mind squeezing Rudy out of POR but that isn't going to happen.

[slambamJazz]

If the jazz decide to keep Hinrich then the trade would have to be Boozer and Miles for Thomas and Hinrich. That would save the jazz a couple of Million.Then might have to trade korver to a team with cap space in order to resign Millsap. The jazz would still be over Luxury by 3 or 4 million of a year unless Harping agrees to Buy out. The jazz would also have to add a low cost Sf.

[Marc]

Hinrich's already owed more money than the cap space the Blazers have.
The question, financially wise, is a fair one: Why would Portland do it?
Basketball wise I'd love to see Hinrich in Utah, perfect fit, darn good competitive Jazz-like player.

I am pretty sure the Blazers would have to send Blake or Outlaw to make the trade work.
Financially speaking Hinrich isn´t so bad for Blazers. He has a 3 years deal with 8M in his 3rd season which is not so bad considering Rudy and Bayless will still be with their rookie contracts and Roy, Aldridge and Oden will be in the early stage of their extensions.

[Marc]

If the jazz decide to keep Hinrich then the trade would have to be Boozer and Miles for Thomas and Hinrich. That would save the jazz a couple of Million.Then might have to trade korver to a team with cap space in order to resign Millsap. The jazz would still be over Luxury by 3 or 4 million of a year unless Harping agrees to Buy out. The jazz would also have to add a low cost Sf.

Keeping Hinrich makes no sense for Jazz because they can not afford to pay him almost $16.5 during 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons.

[kamazilla]

I agree with finnegan. I had hoped the Jazz would a make run at Hinrich at the trade deadline, he would be an ideal fit with Williams and Brew in a three guard rotation. We need his steady veteran leadership, shooting and defense. Slide Maynor in over time and Brew will find most of his minutes at the 3. With Boozer's departure, AK plays more 4 while CJ becomes even more expendable.

The way I see it, the best teams in this league keep getting better... If the Jazz have want any shot to truly contend, they must receive value for all productive assets which they relinquish. Boozer is a perenial all star and one of the most skilled low post scorers in the game- and we're going to give him up for Tyrus freaking Thomas?!

C'mon Jazz, put your money where your mouth is: cut out the middle man and deal with Chicago directly. We have the assets they want, no reason to let Portland extort value from this deal. Have the balls to call their bluff and match their offer for Millsap. Pay the tax for one year and sort out the contractual issues at the dealine or next summer. CJ will be tradable, Harpring expires, Korver expires, Fes expires and Millsap's deal more than likely will average lower after the first year. AK will have to be moved, and we'll have to part with picks plus talent to do it. If the Jazz make these moves or something equivelant talent wise, plus get lucky with the NY pick, they have a shot at contending in two to three years. If management lets our top talents go with out receiving value back, it ain't gonna happen.

[Roy4Three]

I like the deal for the jazz, the bulls and the blazers...essintially, It would be wise of Utah to also aquire martell webster and 2nd rounder from portland, while sending back cj miles, while outlaw would be sent to chicago to give them a back up pf/sf..since chicago has pargo now, and might add iverson from what it looks like...Millsap is a bargain compared to boozer, he does the same things and works harder too, it would be a shame to see a division rival get him only to up his value and trade him for a allstar at the deadline

[Montanajazz]

Common Jazz fans. Its Pritchard doing his BS. Read Rick Buchers line late last night. There have been no negotations between the Jazz, Chicago and Portland for a three way trade. It just focuus all the attention for all of us to go crazy over the jazz doing nothing! It sure got quiet over the Boozer for Hamilton trade. Thats the one that will probably happen. Maybe Kirlinko is gone next, followed by Miles at the end of the month. Followed By sloan August 1st. Then the Jazz can have a more open running team that still plays defense! Ah! we can all wish! Right!!

[finnegan]

The way I see it, the best teams in this league keep getting better... If the Jazz have want any shot to truly contend, they must receive value for all productive assets which they relinquish.

C'mon Jazz, put your money where your mouth is: cut out the middle man and deal with Chicago directly. We have the assets they want, no reason to let Portland extort value from this deal. Have the balls to call their bluff and match their offer for Millsap. Pay the tax for one year and sort out the contractual issues at the dealine or next summer.

Yes. And the "new Miller" should stick by his words. He said that he was willing to pay some level of luxury tax.

[Fido]

There is a difference between paying some level of luxury tax and paying STUPID levels of luxury tax.