STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension

[Frank Lee]

Ha.... no wonders he (Stat) isn't re-inked... that is the type of message he'd give after signing on the dotted line.

He couldn't wait to share this news later or post surgery ? Nope, Stat saw some other Suns grabbing headlines... he had to muscle in there and swipe some thunder. We sure do not need any complications from this.

[WTFsunsFTW]

stackhouse got waived...anyone think we should try adding him?

he is busted up and done for

[Sunsphan]

He publicily said he is contemplating retirement, and is grossly overpaid. In any other business he would get paid a few weeks/months severance and be on his way.

10million is ridiculous for someone who probably wont even step on a basketball court in the next year. He should take half his contract and be grateful.

I totally agree... but unfortunately, we are talking about pro sports contracts where typical business negotiations/logic can be thrown out of the window.

Consider the Stephon Marbury case... The guy flat out refused to play basketball, was detrimental to the team, cried like a baby, went to watch other NBA teams play from the stands, and basically did it all in public. And the kicker is that the Knicks paid him to do it all. Marbury only gave back $2 million of the $22 million he was owed during his buyout.

The thing is, Marbury didn't have to accept any kind of buyout... so he had no have incentive to deal. The Knicks on the other hand, were desperate to get him to no longer be associated with their franchise. Plus, while still having to pay the bulk of his contract, the Knicks did get luxury tax savings to the tune of $4 million or so.

In other words, Marbury had all of the power in the negotiations, and the Knicks had none. When compared to Steph, Big Ben giving back $4 million seems quite generous to me.

[KayZee]

I am really confused about Wallace's buyout

so does "10m buyout" mean we will pay him 10m next season to buy him out and we save 4m in payroll and another 4m in taxes?

or does it mean we will pay him 4m next season and save 10m in payroll?

[WTFsunsFTW]

He is contracted to make 14M if he does nothing. He will sign a waiver with a buyout clause of 10M and be removed from his contract, which may have activity or performance quotas in it that he probably doesnt want to meet, giving him incentive to be bought out for less.

If he does nothign we would have had 14M added to our payroll. Now we will only have 10M of it count toward our cap and tax levels.

I think...

[Kerrsed]

Wait, did Gambo beat IHG to the punch??? Had to say it man, could not resist.

Ever since i joined IHG is batting below the Mendoza line

Funny seeming how he said Frye was our like a week ago. People need to grow up.

[Sunsphan]

I am really confused about Wallace's buyout

so does "10m buyout" mean we will pay him 10m next season to buy him out and we save 4m in payroll and another 4m in taxes?

or does it mean we will pay him 4m next season and save 10m in payroll?

After looking around a little bit, I think the buyout amount is all that counts towards the cap and the luxury tax. So if we owe him $14 million, and buy him out for $10 million, then we save $8 million ($4 million salary, $4 million luxury tax).

We wouldn't owe him anything next season because his deal is over in 2010 (or have anything else on our salary cap because of his contract).

[DirtyDez]

Wait, did Gambo beat IHG to the punch??? Had to say it man, could not resist.

Ever since i joined IHG is batting below the Mendoza line

Funny seeming how he said Frye was our like a week ago. People need to grow up.

Exactly! He's batting .200

[Kerrsed]

Exactly! He's batting .200

How is that?

[DaDragicShow]

If we stay put, Suns are making the playoffs.

[BobbieL]

If we stay put, Suns are making the playoffs.

I still have no idea who is going to stop dribble penetration and guards like Devin Harris, Wade, etc from scoring at will and I still have no idea who will be the post defender as Frye surely isn't. Granted, maybe I need to let Lopez develop - it took Jermaine O Neal 4 years of pine time before he went to Indy to get better; Tyson Chandler too; Hilton Armstrong - so think R-Lo deserves a few more minutes a game to foul out

So, that is why I think using the Wallace or Pavlovic contracts would be a nice way to improve one of those - but hey, we will see what we see.

[JohnVancouver]

I am really confused about Wallace's buyout

so does "10m buyout" mean we will pay him 10m next season to buy him out and we save 4m in payroll and another 4m in taxes?

or does it mean we will pay him 4m next season and save 10m in payroll?

the $14 mil still counts toward our salary total but $10 mil buyout it does save us the $4mil. If we get below the tax though, we save the other $4mil.
Is that correct?

[The_Setz]

14 mil is irrelevant if we buy him out for 10. For example. Suns payroll is 64 million right now (round number for ease of calculations). The Luxury Tax threshold is 60 million resulting in the Suns paying a dollar for dollar tax on 4 million dollars (the amount over the threshold). Wallace is bought out for 10 million thus reducing the Suns payroll to right at the Luxury Tax line. The Suns are right at 60 million now, saving that 4 million in salary and saving 4 million in Luxury Tax payments.

That's all there is to it.

[Qwigglez]

Finally, the Suns get something done this off-season.
With only the Spurs making a significant roster adjustment, I think the Suns have a great chance at getting a top 5 seed in the West.
Dallas didn't really improve too much adding Marion. The Mavs players are best known for their isolation game. Dirk creates his own shot, Terry creates his own shot, Howard creates his own shot, Kidd creates his own shot, even Stackhouse created his own shot. Addin Marion to the mix might help balance things out, but come playoff time they now have two guys who pull a Houdini (Dirk, Marion).
Hornets, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets are declining. Rockets are too injury prone. Jazz will lose Boozer, and they have no depth. Nuggets were a surprise team, Hornets were the surprise team of 2007-2008 and look how they played last season. Hornets were projected to be a top 3 team in the Western Conference with the addition of Posey last season.
The Suns trading away Shaq was addition by subtraction. Porter obviously revolved the offense around Shaq (pure stupidity), and it significantly reduced Amare's game by only allowing Amare to shoot 15 foot jumpers. With Shaq out, I see Amare getting 28 points per game, he is the most dominant offensive PF/C in the game today. No one else could average 38 points in a series vs the Spurs, Dwight sure as hell can't. Amare was moving well up the ladder at the end of the 2007-2008 season, I think he might have moved up to top 5 MVP voting. He was playing like a man possessed.
Just look at his number last year compared to the year before. Less minutes, more points, more rebounds, better FG%. You guys keep talking about how Amare has no defense. Well he averaged two blocks per contest in 2007-2008.

Here are the numbers I'm running for 2009-2010.
Amare-28 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist, 2 blocks
Nash- 15 points, 10 assist, 3 rebounds
Richardson-17 points, 3 assist, 5 rebounds
Hill-12 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assist
Barbosa-18 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dragic-6 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dudley-6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist
Clark-6 points, 4 rebounds
Frye-6 points, 3 rebounds

Amundson and Lopez should be used sporadically. I do love Amundson's energy level, but his basketball IQ is low. I think last year all the players were not motivated because they had a horrible coach, so Amundson was used to bring their energy level up, but this year I believe everyone's energy level will be up due to the fact that we are back to SSOL.
Starters: Nash, Richardson, Hill, Clark, Amare. Fast paced first quarter, go out and run. Substitute Frye for Clark to slow it down just a tad, and pound the ball inside to Amare. Frye is most effective as a player coming off the bench. Plus starting Clark will only boost his confidence and help improve his game drastically as opposed to coming off the bench.

[DirtyDez]

Wait, did Gambo beat IHG to the punch??? Had to say it man, could not resist.

Ever since i joined IHG is batting below the Mendoza line

Funny seeming how he said Frye was our like a week ago. People need to grow up.

The Mendoza line is a baseball term, nevermind... I'm not saying anything else about IHG, if you guys wanna keep posting his twitter pages that's fine. More power to ya

[Qwigglez]

I am really confused about Wallace's buyout

so does "10m buyout" mean we will pay him 10m next season to buy him out and we save 4m in payroll and another 4m in taxes?

or does it mean we will pay him 4m next season and save 10m in payroll?

the $14 mil still counts toward our salary total but $10 mil buyout it does save us the $4mil. If we get below the tax though, we save the other $4mil.
Is that correct?

I'll make it simple. The Suns are over the luxury tax. They are at 75 mil. The lux tax is at 71. So anything they owe after 71 is doubled. So they owe 75 which means they have to pay 4 mil to the player, and 4 mil to tax. That being said, the Suns are buying out Ben Wallace for 10 mil. on his 14 mil contract. So we still pay him 10 mil that counts against our salary but the other 4 mil is taken off. Which means we reduce our salary to 71 mil. So we don't pay any luxury tax, thus saving 4 mil from Ben Wallace's contract and 4 mil from the luxury tax.
Then we buyout Sasha, which reduces our salary even more.
So yes you are correct lol.

[Nando88]

Finally, the Suns get something done this off-season.
With only the Spurs making a significant roster adjustment, I think the Suns have a great chance at getting a top 5 seed in the West.
Dallas didn't really improve too much adding Marion. The Mavs players are best known for their isolation game. Dirk creates his own shot, Terry creates his own shot, Howard creates his own shot, Kidd creates his own shot, even Stackhouse created his own shot. Addin Marion to the mix might help balance things out, but come playoff time they now have two guys who pull a Houdini (Dirk, Marion).
Hornets, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets are declining. Rockets are too injury prone. Jazz will lose Boozer, and they have no depth. Nuggets were a surprise team, Hornets were the surprise team of 2007-2008 and look how they played last season. Hornets were projected to be a top 3 team in the Western Conference with the addition of Posey last season.
The Suns trading away Shaq was addition by subtraction. Porter obviously revolved the offense around Shaq (pure stupidity), and it significantly reduced Amare's game by only allowing Amare to shoot 15 foot jumpers. With Shaq out, I see Amare getting 28 points per game, he is the most dominant offensive PF/C in the game today. No one else could average 38 points in a series vs the Spurs, Dwight sure as hell can't. Amare was moving well up the ladder at the end of the 2007-2008 season, I think he might have moved up to top 5 MVP voting. He was playing like a man possessed.
Just look at his number last year compared to the year before. Less minutes, more points, more rebounds, better FG%. You guys keep talking about how Amare has no defense. Well he averaged two blocks per contest in 2007-2008.

Here are the numbers I'm running for 2009-2010.
Amare-28 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist, 2 blocks
Nash- 15 points, 10 assist, 3 rebounds
Richardson-17 points, 3 assist, 5 rebounds
Hill-12 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assist
Barbosa-18 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dragic-6 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dudley-6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist
Clark-6 points, 4 rebounds
Frye-6 points, 3 rebounds

Amundson and Lopez should be used sporadically. I do love Amundson's energy level, but his basketball IQ is low. I think last year all the players were not motivated because they had a horrible coach, so Amundson was used to bring their energy level up, but this year I believe everyone's energy level will be up due to the fact that we are back to SSOL.
Starters: Nash, Richardson, Hill, Clark, Amare. Fast paced first quarter, go out and run. Substitute Frye for Clark to slow it down just a tad, and pound the ball inside to Amare. Frye is most effective as a player coming off the bench. Plus starting Clark will only boost his confidence and help improve his game drastically as opposed to coming off the bench.

Brandon? lol

[Qwigglez]

Finally, the Suns get something done this off-season.
With only the Spurs making a significant roster adjustment, I think the Suns have a great chance at getting a top 5 seed in the West.
Dallas didn't really improve too much adding Marion. The Mavs players are best known for their isolation game. Dirk creates his own shot, Terry creates his own shot, Howard creates his own shot, Kidd creates his own shot, even Stackhouse created his own shot. Addin Marion to the mix might help balance things out, but come playoff time they now have two guys who pull a Houdini (Dirk, Marion).
Hornets, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets are declining. Rockets are too injury prone. Jazz will lose Boozer, and they have no depth. Nuggets were a surprise team, Hornets were the surprise team of 2007-2008 and look how they played last season. Hornets were projected to be a top 3 team in the Western Conference with the addition of Posey last season.
The Suns trading away Shaq was addition by subtraction. Porter obviously revolved the offense around Shaq (pure stupidity), and it significantly reduced Amare's game by only allowing Amare to shoot 15 foot jumpers. With Shaq out, I see Amare getting 28 points per game, he is the most dominant offensive PF/C in the game today. No one else could average 38 points in a series vs the Spurs, Dwight sure as hell can't. Amare was moving well up the ladder at the end of the 2007-2008 season, I think he might have moved up to top 5 MVP voting. He was playing like a man possessed.
Just look at his number last year compared to the year before. Less minutes, more points, more rebounds, better FG%. You guys keep talking about how Amare has no defense. Well he averaged two blocks per contest in 2007-2008.

Here are the numbers I'm running for 2009-2010.
Amare-28 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist, 2 blocks
Nash- 15 points, 10 assist, 3 rebounds
Richardson-17 points, 3 assist, 5 rebounds
Hill-12 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assist
Barbosa-18 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dragic-6 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds
Dudley-6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist
Clark-6 points, 4 rebounds
Frye-6 points, 3 rebounds

Amundson and Lopez should be used sporadically. I do love Amundson's energy level, but his basketball IQ is low. I think last year all the players were not motivated because they had a horrible coach, so Amundson was used to bring their energy level up, but this year I believe everyone's energy level will be up due to the fact that we are back to SSOL.
Starters: Nash, Richardson, Hill, Clark, Amare. Fast paced first quarter, go out and run. Substitute Frye for Clark to slow it down just a tad, and pound the ball inside to Amare. Frye is most effective as a player coming off the bench. Plus starting Clark will only boost his confidence and help improve his game drastically as opposed to coming off the bench.

Brandon? lol

The ****..?

[Nando88]

lol i know who u is brotha

[Qwigglez]

lol i know who u is brotha

Wow just joined and already being stalked by this weirdo.
Time to leave.